Politics of hate, Murder and Thievery

[vh13]

Oh yeah, the joys of globalism, the joys of diversity, It's not hard to see why the Jews wish to have a country exclusive to their people, with no outsiders. Of course the Jews wanting separation and segregation for their own isn't racist.

You fail to acknowledge there are a great many number of other nations comprised of people of exclusive heritage... far more exclusive then the loose definition of "Jew".

You talk about Israel as if it was created because Jews want to be surrounded exclusively by other Jews, like some kind of KKK meeting between rich Barons; you must not know (because you don't know history) that Israel was created as a safe haven for millions of refugees from around the world. The Jews are a diverse population, except for anger at their current radical Muslims aggressors, they are much more tolerant of other ethnic groups then a lot of other groups.

Are you implying that the region was more free under a Jordan occupation? Do you think anyone experienced religious and ethnic freedom under the Ottoman Empire?

More religions and ethnic groups are welcome to the region now owned by Israel then before Israel was created. Christians haven't been allowed into their holy land since the Crusades, for Christ's sake! Of all the nations surrounding it, Israel is the only democracy, the only state with an independent judiciary and press, freedom of religion, and the only nation who hasn't sworn to kill anyone who is not a Muslim Arab.

How many of these assholes do you have in Israel?

http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_25ac06cf-44d8-5ebd-92fd-1943514a8b19.html

I hope you're not holding an entire group of people responsible for the actions of only one man, because that is the very definition of racist prejudice.

You continue to make slanderous lies about Jews, and you still haven't answered my question: why do you hold a standard to the Jewish nation you do not hold to any other nation on Earth?

 

[dukeanthony]

You talk about Israel as if it was created because Jews want to be surrounded exclusively by other Jews

Uhmm Yeah that was the Whole Point of Creating Israel

 

[vh13]

It makes no difference if they lived their 2000 years ago the Palestinians have been living there for generations upon generations they shouldn't be kicked out of their homes because of a CLAIM that some foreign people used to live there 2000 years ago.

This is very true. Before 1967 it has been thousands of years since the Jews were welcome in those lands. But the land has changed hands now, and if you say the land should not have changed occupiers then, then why should it change now? Your criteria for why it should not change, that generations have passed, is just as valid now for the Jews as it was then for Jordan.

And what you talking about Israel constantly speaks about the 2 state solutions however they and the American government are the ones that are ALWAYS blocking the second state Palestine.

True, but in all fairness, it is hard to condone a government that supports the actions of suicide bombers, a government that has decided it is more important to terrorize and kill 50 of their own people to kill only 1 Jew.

The truth is: despite the current political maneuvering, Palestine would not exist if the Jews had not first settled in Israel.

Also Israel is looked at as an "Infidel" state by the Muslims because they are a lunatic country.

You hold a double standard. You do not acknowledge the participation of "the Muslims". And this proves you are a racist.

Of all the nations surrounding it, Israel is the only democracy, the only state with an independent judiciary and press, freedom of religion, and the only nation who hasn't sworn to kill anyone who is not a Muslim Arab.

In the 2008 December massacre about 1,400 Palestinians were killed and about 13 Israelis were killed. Of the 1,400 Palestinian casualties, about four-fifths were civilians and 350 children. 13 Israelis died 10 of which were soldiers and three civilians.... After the massacre ended Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni went on Channel 10 News in Israel and said 'Israel demonstrated real hooliganism during the course of the recent operation, which I demanded'. Also in the 'Goldstone report' it found that Israel had “deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population".

You're right, these acts are deplorable.

What kind of civilized country/person could humiliate and terrorize a civilian population

Yet how can you claim only one side is guilty of terrorism?

It's pathetic that I have to quote myself because you ignore the truth when it's given to you. Go ahead, keep repeating the same slanderous implications and lies and neglect to address when I refute them, I bet I can dispel your redundant ignorance by quoting myself from this point forward:

No matter how much you deny the complex interplay between all the parties involved, the truth is: this war Israel is waging is not a sweeping campaign across the desert to wipe out Palestinians. It is a desperate struggle for survival against oppononents who publicly state they will (and currently do) sacrifice their own people in an attempt to complete what Hitler and his Nazis more then half-finished.

Yes, it is difficult to be a Zionist and see Israel commit atrocities and acts of hatred, yet it is absolutely wrong to deny: the real attempted genocide taking place is by that of Israel's neighbors, who have sworn to eradicate all Jews from the face of the Earth at all costs, even if that means sacrificing 50 of their own people to kill only one Jew. You place a higher value on the lives of Israel's enemies then Israel's enemies place on themselves.

Furthermore, nearly every nation on Earth was born in bloodshed, and yet for some reason you object to the creation of a Jewish state. Do you think every nation on Earth should be disbanded? If not, then why do you hold a double standard against the Jews?

 

[vh13]

Uhmm Yeah that was the Whole Point of Creating Israel

...you must not know (because you don't know history) that Israel was created as a safe haven for millions of refugees from around the world. The Jews are a diverse population, except for anger at their current radical Muslims aggressors, they are much more tolerant of other ethnic groups then a lot of other groups.

Are you implying that the region was more free under a Jordan occupation? Do you think anyone experienced religious and ethnic freedom under the Ottoman Empire?

More religions and ethnic groups are welcome to the region now owned by Israel then before Israel was created. Christians haven't been allowed into their holy land since the Crusades, for Christ's sake! Of all the nations surrounding it, Israel is the only democracy, the only state with an independent judiciary and press, freedom of religion, and the only nation who hasn't sworn to kill anyone who is not a Muslim Arab.

I already refuted the lie you repeated.

If you can't address the truth, then why do you repeat lies? You make yourself look like an ignorant fool.

 

[growsolo]

You talk about Israel as if it was created because Jews want to be surrounded exclusively by other Jews, like some kind of KKK meeting between rich Barons; you must not know (because you don't know history) that Israel was created as a safe haven for millions of refugees from around the world.

And when whites need safe haven will it be alright with you if they created a nation for their refugees, a nation reserved for only whites?

It's obvious that you sir are a Jewish Supremacist, no doubt taught from birth that you are "Chosen", and that you are above all others, and that gentiles are no more human than farm animals. Were you not taught these things as a youth?

 

[vh13]

And when whites need safe haven will it be alright with you if they created a nation for their refugees, a nation reserved for only whites?

You think "white" is a race? You think there are no "white" Jews?

UncleBuck was right, you do sound like a white supremacist.

You [still] fail to acknowledge there are a great many number of other nations comprised of people of exclusive heritage... far more exclusive then the loose definition of "Jew".

There are a lot of "white" nations, but you quiver at the existence of only one Jewish state.

It's obvious that you sir are a Jewish Supremacist, no doubt taught from birth that you are "Chosen", and that you are above all others, and that gentiles are no more human than farm animals. Were you not taught these things as a youth?

What's the matter, does the idea that I might be a Jew sicken you? Care to make more ignorant assumptions about me, and use those lies as justification for your Jew hatred?

Go ahead, keep making more ignorant generalizations and fabrications, out yourself as the racist you really are.

 

[UncleBuck]

this is getting ugly.

too much to delete, may just close if people don't start playing a bit more nicely in the sand box.

same thing happened the last time ralf started one of these threads.

 

[dukeanthony]

this is getting ugly.

too much to delete, may just close if people don't start playing a bit more nicely in the sand box.

same thing happened the last time ralf started one of these threads.

Thats Because Both Ralf and VH13 are both racists

 

[vh13]

this is getting ugly.

too much to delete, may just close if people don't start playing a bit more nicely in the sand box.

same thing happened the last time ralf started one of these threads.

If only it was that easy to dispel lies. =\

Don't delete anything. Through these exchanges, the truth becomes self-evident. Let others read it!

Thats Because Both Ralf and VH13 are both racists

Why am I racist, because I defend the rights of one ethnic group the same as I do any other?

You're the one creating a double standard for a single ethnic group.

 

[growsolo]

I'll be honest with you all. I have no issue with other races or religions or cultures. I simply think we should all have equal civil and human rights. I think we should have a level playing field for all. Who am I to deny any racial or religious or cultural grouping their right to self rule? Any and all groups should be allowed to break away and form a nation for their own, much the same as Israel did during the last century, is this not fair and even handed? No prejudice should be held against revolutions or those who participate in same, would you not agree?

 

[vh13]

I'll be honest with you all. I have no issue with other races or religions or cultures. I simply think we should all have equal civil and human rights. I think we should have a level playing field for all. Who am I to deny any racial or religious or cultural grouping their right to self rule? Any and all groups should be allowed to break away and form a nation for their own, much the same as Israel did during the last century, is this not fair and even handed? No prejudice should be held against revolutions or those who participate in same, would you not agree?

I agree with these words, but are you really being honest?

You're previous statements seem to conflict with this one.

What is it in your mind that makes the Jews special to the point that only they should have their own land, separate from non-Jews?

 

[smok3y1]

This is very true. Before 1967 it has been thousands of years since the Jews were welcome in those lands. But the land has changed hands now, and if you say the land should not have changed occupiers then, then why should it change now? Your criteria for why it should not change, that generations have passed, is just as valid now for the Jews as it was then for Jordan.:

The Jews have always been welcome. During the holocaust they flourished in Arab countries because the Arabs welcomed them. There was little to no problem until the British forcibly took the land from the Palestinians. Also if it’s okay to take back land you've left for countless generations then its okay for me to take land from America up to Africa which is the origins of man.

True, but in all fairness, it is hard to condone a government that supports the actions of suicide bombers, a government that has decided it is more important to terrorize and kill 50 of their own people to kill only 1 Jew.

The truth is: despite the current political maneuvering, Palestine would not exist if the Jews had not first settled in Israel.:

Well almost all the world seems to condone the government but it’s usually just USA, Israel and a handful of other countries that always blocks them in the UN. And it’s usually the whole world calling for justice when Israel commits its countless war crimes but simply because USA has its back nothing ever happens. Don't forget that Israel created Hamas aswell. Suicide bombing is completely wrong but they must be doing it for a reason. No one is just going to wake up one morning and decide to do it. They must have been pushed to do it by persecution, death of family members, demolition of homes, living in concentration camp like conditions and mix all that with un-Islamic scholars. Also you’re talking as if it’s only Hamas that’s terrorizing civilians 1,400 dead Palestinians in a few weeks’ ¼ of which were CHILDREN! Whilst on the other hand 13 dead Israeli’s 4 of which were from friendly fire. So 9 deaths compared with 1,400. If anyone hurt my friends and family your damn right I will go out and hunt the people responsible. It’s not like they have access to guns (unlike the settlers) to fight so suicide bombing is virtually their only choice, which is still WRONG.

You hold a double standard. You do not acknowledge the participation of "the Muslims". And this proves you are a racist.:

You are just babbling now. Typical Zionist ploy to call someone a racist/anti-Semitic if anyone criticizes Israel. Am sure the Jews around the world were calling the Nazi's all sorts of words worse than 'infidel' during the holocaust. Just as the Arabs are doing today with Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. But am sure you would rather hear a Jewish MP call them Nazi's so I'll attach a link at the bottom. And what participation from Muslims. I said that they are looked at as an infidel state. Do you even know what 'infidel' means? It means someone that believes in a different religion. Muslims regard Jews and Christians as the same religion so that doesn’t make them an infidel. The fact that Israel is slaughtering and stealing land does. Am talking about the government not the people by the way because there are some Jews that oppose Israel and some Arabs that support it. Also in Islam just because someone is an infidel does not mean you can do them any harm.

Of all the nations surrounding it, Israel is the only democracy, the only state with an independent judiciary and press, freedom of religion, and the only nation who hasn't sworn to kill anyone who is not a Muslim Arab:

Do you ever wonder why Israel is the only democratic country in that region?? It might have something to do with certain countries overthrowing dictators that don’t follow their agenda. Also freedom of press hahaha are you joking during the Gaza massacre foreign journalist were not allowed to be in Gaza for ‘their safety’. When in reality it was to hide the war crimes they were going to commit. Also which nation has sworn to kill anyone that is not Muslim Arab? Please provide me with a reliable source because that’s a first I’ve heard. Freedom of religion? Are you forgetting there are countless Christians, Jews and other religions in the Middle East living in peace under Muslim rule? In fact the Christians that live in Palestine have the same complaints as the Muslims constantly being treated like dirt and even spat on! What independent judiciary system one that favors Jews over Arabs not that great is it.

Yet how can you claim only one side is guilty of terrorism?

It's pathetic that I have to quote myself because you ignore the truth when it's given to you. Go ahead, keep repeating the same slanderous implications and lies and neglect to address when I refute them, I bet I can dispel your redundant ignorance by quoting myself from this point forward:

When have you refuted any of my ‘lies’ your lying right now which is even more pathetic hahaha Are you retarded in thinking that there is no genocide being committed by Israel towards the Palestinians. They are the ones that are being expelled from THEIR lands not the Jews. Maybe you should get your facts right! When you STEAL AND MURDER people tend to get upset! You need to be taught to empathize with people because it’s just a joke. Also you think its okay for a nation in the 21st century to be murder and steal in to existence? Clearly you have a barbaric mentality which most Zionist do. And I’ve already said Israel exists and will remain but they should give the human rights to the Palestinians instead of letting them live like animals in a cage or is that too much to ask for?

Jewish MP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

Zionism=Racism from a Jew. (You must be a racist then)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahHIOMwEL_o

Zionism is Racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guQE9IRRKM4

Lesson in empathy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUEGHdQO7WA

 

[dukeanthony]

Smokey I cant believe you wasted all that on this guy
But good rebuttal

Now watch some Neo Nazi Like Ralf will come in and ruin everything

One thing wrong
Not all arabs welcomed jews during world war 2
Some even sided with the Nazis

 

[smok3y1]

Thanks Duke! Just kinda annoyed me when he called me a racist again despite me saying I am not one. Not like it makes a difference if I admit to being one or anything so there is no point in lying about it.
I messed up the quotes when I edited it just now though :/
And yeaah your right about not all Arabs welcomed them but the Arabs did help a lot of Jews all through out history when they were persecuted not just during WW2

 

[vh13]

smoky31, I have already acknowledged that many of your points are valid. The only thing I disagreed with coming from you was the implication Israel has no right to exist.

Am not saying they should be wiped out but they also shouldn't wipe Palestine off the map either.
Are you implying that am racist or something because am not at all. Am Anti-Zionist. How could I be anti-Semite when am supporting Palestinians, Arabs are semitic as well.
Besides I think its dumb to judge people based on race, religion, nationality, etc because you will always get good and bad people.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I did not mean to wrongfully accuse you of being antisemitic.

You should be aware that if you recognize Israel's right to exist (even if you disagree with her policies) then you are a Zionist.

The term anti-Zionist refers to an individual who does not accept the right of Israel to exist.

If you claim to be anti-Zionist then you label yourself as guilty of singling out Jews.

Many of you are claiming I state a lot more then I do, you attempt to demonize me as some kind of Jewish Supremacist in an attempt to discredit my arguments and thus my stance on this issue. But the more assumptions about me you make based on your own prejudice against Jews, the more you prove your own bigotry.

Failing to acknowledge any of these three points is racist:

1. Israel has a right to exist.
2. Israel is not repeating Hitler's Nazi Holocaust: the Jews of Europe did not suicide bomb Germany, nor did they publicly state and act to wipe out the German race.
3. Both Israel and her self-proclaimed enemies have committed and continue to commit attrocities, neither party is innocent, and neither party should receive all blame.

In regards to "there are Jews who are anti-Zionist": I must beg the question, which Jews? The orthodox pigs who claimed the Jews of Poland deserved to be exterminated by Nazis because they weren't Jewish enough? Or the lucky few Jews who moved to USA and Great Britain before the Nazi regime was even an idea, and were not affected when the rest of the world was closed to Europe's Jews, giving them no place to go when Hitler's regime swept across Europe?

If those Jews do not wish to set foot in Israel, that is their choice.

Israel was not created for the sake of those lucky but ignorant Jews and blood traitors already sitting fat and happy in countries that tolerated them. Israel was created for the sake of millions of refugees with no place to go, already taken from their (destroyed) homes by men who did not care whether a Jew practiced religion or not.

This train of logic implies black folk being racist against other black folk negates the existence of racism against black folk altogether; that if one Uncle Tom says it's fine to be racist against other black folk, then shit, it must be okay for everyone else to be racist against black folk!

 

[vh13]

dukeanthony:

Not a double standard at all.
Time to Cut Israel Loose. By that I mean. Cut all diplomatic ties.

And would you expect the same punishment to their racist neighbors, the true genocidal instigators of this conflict, who have proclaimed a willful desire to erase the Jewish race from the Earth?

If not, there is your double standard.

 

[growsolo]

Thrive - The Movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2LGmZ_EP4

It's been removed twice already, get it while it's hot.

 

[ralf]

UncleBuck was right, you do sound like a white supremacist.

Its not that gs is superior, its just that your inferior. easy init.

 

[vh13]

The Jews have always been welcome. During the holocaust they flourished in Arab countries because the Arabs welcomed them.

Not true. You don't know history.

There was little to no problem until the British forcibly took the land from the Palestinians.

You mean when the British took the land from Jordan?

Palestine did not exist, and the Palestinians were not asked to leave. In fact, Israel offered them full citizenship, seeking to live side by side with the people of Palestine, which is far more then what Jordan and the Ottoman Empire offered them.

Also if it’s okay to take back land you've left for countless generations then its okay for me to take land from America up to Africa which is the origins of man.

So which is it, two wrongs make a right? Or wrong is wrong?

Well almost all the world seems to condone the government but it’s usually just USA, Israel and a handful of other countries that always blocks them in the UN. And it’s usually the whole world calling for justice when Israel commits its countless war crimes but simply because USA has its back nothing ever happens. Don't forget that Israel created Hamas aswell. Suicide bombing is completely wrong but they must be doing it for a reason. No one is just going to wake up one morning and decide to do it. They must have been pushed to do it by persecution, death of family members, demolition of homes, living in concentration camp like conditions and mix all that with un-Islamic scholars. Also you’re talking as if it’s only Hamas that’s terrorizing civilians 1,400 dead Palestinians in a few weeks’ ¼ of which were CHILDREN! Whilst on the other hand 13 dead Israeli’s 4 of which were from friendly fire. So 9 deaths compared with 1,400. If anyone hurt my friends and family your damn right I will go out and hunt the people responsible. It’s not like they have access to guns (unlike the settlers) to fight so suicide bombing is virtually their only choice, which is still WRONG.

You are right, and I have already acknowledged this point, so why do you act like I have not?

You are just babbling now. Typical Zionist ploy to call someone a racist/anti-Semitic if anyone criticizes Israel.

I have no problem with anyone criticizing Israel. I have a problem with racist assumptions, exaggerations and false claims.

Am sure the Jews around the world were calling the Nazi's all sorts of words worse than 'infidel' during the holocaust. Just as the Arabs are doing today with Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. But am sure you would rather hear a Jewish MP call them Nazi's so I'll attach a link at the bottom. And what participation from Muslims. I said that they are looked at as an infidel state. Do you even know what 'infidel' means? It means someone that believes in a different religion. Muslims regard Jews and Christians as the same religion so that doesn’t make them an infidel. The fact that Israel is slaughtering and stealing land does. Am talking about the government not the people by the way because there are some Jews that oppose Israel and some Arabs that support it. Also in Islam just because someone is an infidel does not mean you can do them any harm.

I can't help it if you are ignorant to the diversity of the Muslim population. Not all Muslims believe what you claim.

Do you ever wonder why Israel is the only democratic country in that region?? It might have something to do with certain countries overthrowing dictators that don’t follow their agenda. Also freedom of press hahaha are you joking during the Gaza massacre foreign journalist were not allowed to be in Gaza for ‘their safety’. When in reality it was to hide the war crimes they were going to commit.

A fair criticism.

Also which nation has sworn to kill anyone that is not Muslim Arab? Please provide me with a reliable source because that’s a first I’ve heard.

The king of Saudi Arabia once said to The Associated Press, "Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is to uproot it just like a cancer.... We Arabs total about fifty million. Why don't we sacrifice ten million of our number and live in pride and self respect?"

Freedom of religion? Are you forgetting there are countless Christians, Jews and other religions in the Middle East living in peace under Muslim rule?

Fallacy of redirection. Are all Christians and Jews living in peace under Muslim rule?

In fact the Christians that live in Palestine have the same complaints as the Muslims constantly being treated like dirt and even spat on! What independent judiciary system one that favors Jews over Arabs not that great is it.

More fair criticisms.

When have you refuted any of my ‘lies’ your lying right now which is even more pathetic hahaha Are you retarded in thinking that there is no genocide being committed by Israel towards the Palestinians. They are the ones that are being expelled from THEIR lands not the Jews. Maybe you should get your facts right! When you STEAL AND MURDER people tend to get upset! You need to be taught to empathize with people because it’s just a joke. Also you think its okay for a nation in the 21st century to be murder and steal in to existence? Clearly you have a barbaric mentality which most Zionist do. And I’ve already said Israel exists and will remain but they should give the human rights to the Palestinians instead of letting them live like animals in a cage or is that too much to ask for?

More manipulations, and false claims in an attempt to demonize me.

I never once claimed Israel's actions towards Palestinians was right. In fact, I acknowledged Israel commits wrongs, however, those wrongs are not within the same scope as what Hitler and his Nazis attempted.

It is easy to throw words around like they have no meaning. But Hitler is proof that words have meaning and power, and they should not be abused.

 

[laughingduck]

Cameljockies pound sand.