BigBudzzzz
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Lookin Good Dude, keep it up, I'll be watching!
MY FIRST JOURNAL: G13 Pineapple Express, CH9 Aroma and CH9 Humboldt (400w) MOTHERS!
- Thread starter Dirt Bikin Buds
- Start date
Just have my journal this time around. Half of my plants are in soilless, it looks like my newest girls will have to go back to FFOF though. Went to pick up another bag of Vital Earth manna mix and the only local store to carry it was shut down :/
Quirkle and PE sounds nice! I crossed mine with a really nice sativa male bag seed. Cannot wait to try the outcome!
Quirkle and PE sounds nice! I crossed mine with a really nice sativa male bag seed. Cannot wait to try the outcome!
loyaltytoafault
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Looks good bro! I'm sub'd up for this....mmmmmm.....PE!!
Dirt Bikin Buds
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Good to see some more people in here. They took the feeding well and the new growth looks great.
I will update with pics in a few days.
DBB
I will update with pics in a few days.
DBB
nomaninsf
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with the current nutes you have I would be feeding your plants:
Gro 5ml/gal
Micro 4ml/gal
Bloom 1ml/gal
CalMag 5ml/gal
Super Thrive 1/4 tsp/gal
If you have the budget it wouldn't hurt to add Hygrozyme at 10ml/gal and Roots Excelurator at 1m/gal (or Canna Rhizotonic 15ml/gal). The Hygrozyme will add beneficial enzymes to your growing medium and also break down any dead root matter. The roots excelurator or rhizotonic are rooting hormones that will give you a large healthy root mass. I've noticed that I get finer root hairs with Canna Rhizotonic but more root growth with H&G Roots Excelurator.
The root stimulant and enzymes will make your root zone much more happy and healthy. Hygrozyme is my enzyme of choice but if you can't find it Cannazym works good too. Same thing with Roots Excelurator. Excelurator works great but if you can't find it Rhizotonic works well also.
The stunted seedling is unlikely to catch up and if it were me I would toss it.
Gro 5ml/gal
Micro 4ml/gal
Bloom 1ml/gal
CalMag 5ml/gal
Super Thrive 1/4 tsp/gal
If you have the budget it wouldn't hurt to add Hygrozyme at 10ml/gal and Roots Excelurator at 1m/gal (or Canna Rhizotonic 15ml/gal). The Hygrozyme will add beneficial enzymes to your growing medium and also break down any dead root matter. The roots excelurator or rhizotonic are rooting hormones that will give you a large healthy root mass. I've noticed that I get finer root hairs with Canna Rhizotonic but more root growth with H&G Roots Excelurator.
The root stimulant and enzymes will make your root zone much more happy and healthy. Hygrozyme is my enzyme of choice but if you can't find it Cannazym works good too. Same thing with Roots Excelurator. Excelurator works great but if you can't find it Rhizotonic works well also.
The stunted seedling is unlikely to catch up and if it were me I would toss it.
Dirt Bikin Buds
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Doesn't the Micro contain the beneficial stuff for the root system? Does this stuff you mentioned have anything extra?
I plan making these 3 into mothers so tossing the small one would be pointless. She is looking just fine now.
DBB
nomaninsf
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I read that you were making them into mothers. My reason for saying to toss it is because if the plant is expressing slow or stunted growth then that same trait will be passed onto your clones.
The FloraMicro is just part of the GH 3 part base nutrients. It doesn't contain root stimulators though. GH does carry a root stimulator called Rapid Start but in my opinion it doesn't come close to delivering the results that Roots Excelurator and Rhizotonic deliver.
I'm pretty sure GH doesn't make an enzyme product. If you're going to use an enzyme product though, go with Hygrozyme or Cannazym.
I also like to add beneficial bacteria to my root zone. I use Great White. GH makes a similar product called Sub Culture. I have used Great White, Mycos WP, Sub Culture, and Tarantula and have found the best results using Great White.
None of these products contain anything EXTRA as far as nutrients go. They are not nutrients. They are not taken in by the plant. They are only functioning as beneficial additives for your root zone and medium.
Dirt Bikin Buds
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I re-use my soil a lot so I def want something to eat the old roots and help the new ones. Do I need 2 to do this? I like to stay in 4-5 gallon pots if that means anything.
The smaller plant seems to be growing at a normal speed, I hope it was physical damage in the beginning and not it's genes. I don't need the extra space or anything so I'll how clones act, then decide.
nomaninsf
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You don't need to use enzymes but they do help significantly. Canna has a pretty good breakdown of the benefits of enzymes on their site. Here's the link: http://www.cannagardening.com/cannazym
Sometimes I re-use my coco. When I do this I will drench my coco with 20ml/gal of Hygrozyme and water only. It will breakdown dead root matter and turn it into beneficials for the new plants... or as Canna's website says "The enzymes in CANNAZYM facilitate fast conversion of dead roots into minerals and sugars. This is important, as they make up a valuable source of nutrients for the plant as well as for the soil environment."
Give the link I posted on Canna's website a read to better understand what Hygrozyme and Cannazym are doing. Your plants will grow fine without adding enzymes but they will grow a hell of a lot better with them.
Another thing I would strongly consider adding to your feeding regimen is Dyna Gro ProTekt. It is dirt cheap, I mean dirt dirt cheap. You only add 1-2 ml/gal. I use 2 ml/gal every single feeding. It is silica which helps create stronger cell structure in your plants and also reduces stress caused by under watering or too high of temps. It's only $10 for 8oz which will make 118-236 gallons of nutrient solution depending on whether you feed with 1 or 2ml per gallon each feeding.
Dirt Bikin Buds
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I have been considering changing my nutes for a while. I may just add enzymes and ProTekt and stay with what I have but if I do switch do you have any recommendations?
Thanks
DBB
nomaninsf
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Personally I like House & Gardens AB nutrients. Here's the link if you're using soil: http://www.house-garden.us/products/bases/soil/
For Coco (what I use): http://www.house-garden.us/products/bases/cocos/
For Soilless and Hydro: http://www.house-garden.us/products/bases/aqua-flakes-2/
They are my favorite line of nutrients. I have used Canna A&B, GH Flora 3 part, Advanced A&B grow and A&B bloom, and House & Garden A&B. House & Garden is my favorite so far. More expensive than GH, about the same price as Canna, and cheaper than Advanced. I haven't tried Botainare's line of nutrients yet but have heard good things. Since I'm having better results than ever with H&G though I'm not going to switch.
nomaninsf
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If It's in your budget I would recommend these nutes for your size setup. It may seem like a big investment up front but the weight and quality it will add to your plants will make up for it many times fold. The screen grab of the shopping cart was from bghydro.com. Your local hydro stores should carry the products listed but the costs might vary some.
I use the same setup except I use Roots Excelurator instead of Rhizotonic, Purple Maxx instead of Bud XL, Gravity instead of Maxi Bloom, and the Coco series A&B instead of the Soil series. This is the more budget version of my lineup. I like to grow in coco because it is completely inert. When you use coco there is nothing added to it like lime, earthworm castings, added fertilizers, etc. While the things that are added into pre-ferted soils can be beneficial, if you don't know exactly whats in there you can accidentally add something that would be good for the plant and overload it because it's already mixed into the soil/soilless mix.
I use the same setup except I use Roots Excelurator instead of Rhizotonic, Purple Maxx instead of Bud XL, Gravity instead of Maxi Bloom, and the Coco series A&B instead of the Soil series. This is the more budget version of my lineup. I like to grow in coco because it is completely inert. When you use coco there is nothing added to it like lime, earthworm castings, added fertilizers, etc. While the things that are added into pre-ferted soils can be beneficial, if you don't know exactly whats in there you can accidentally add something that would be good for the plant and overload it because it's already mixed into the soil/soilless mix.
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Dirt Bikin Buds
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I def don't have the money for that.... not this round at least. I have to buy or make a tent for flower this time as well.
I think I'll get Rhizotonic, ProTekt, Purple Maxx and maybe some Great White to add with my GH 3 part.
I think I'll get Rhizotonic, ProTekt, Purple Maxx and maybe some Great White to add with my GH 3 part.
Dirt Bikin Buds
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Been a while since I updated so here are a few pics.
I topped the PE in the grey bucket and fimmed the PE in the blue bucket. The humboldt has been left alone.
DBB
I topped the PE in the grey bucket and fimmed the PE in the blue bucket. The humboldt has been left alone.
DBB
Dirt Bikin Buds
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It is pretty opaque but I plan on getting it a nice bucket eventually.
Dirt Bikin Buds
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I think I'm just going to build a room/tent once I get moved into the new house. I did LST both PExp and broke the top off of one but I managed to salvage 2 clones. I doubt they make it, the gel I had is old and the plant was ready for water. They both look a little goofy but are shaping back up nicely. Ill post some pics later.
Dirt Bikin Buds
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Here are the pics. The clones finally perked up maybe they will make it!
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How are they coming along?