List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse

[mindphuk]

The lack of physical evidence of the existence of God is NOT A VALID ARGUMENT FOR GOD BEING A POSSIBLE FABLE.

Lack of any empirical evidence of a deity is excellent reason to consider the possibility that it is a man-derived myth.

If you had better agendas you would be able to see transparently. In that you would see that there is just as much shit science cant explain let alone tiny ol man. Without a GOD is would be humanly impossible to create one. And create one with the complexities of a God. Do you even know how many cells are in the human body? Do you understand just how complex we really are? Do you have a clue how long earth has been around? You obviously dont. Life is a subject of complexity. Not just something that just happened. Complex thing like humans, and earth, and the solar system and something far greater than a human being can design.

Ignoring the fact that we do have good naturalistic explanations for both the origin of the solar system and humans, none of which are 'designed', your argument from ignorance is not a valid reason to believe there is a god.

There is far more we DONT KNOW than what WE DO KNOW. YOU are a PRIME example of arrogant, ignorant child, whom only wishes to hear what he wants to hear. A prime example we are not growing wiser, just taller. FOR THE LAST TIME....DONT BELIEVE ANYONE, ESPECIALLY ME, THINK FOR YOURSELF....BUT NOT AT THE COST OF TREADING ON THE WILL, OR FAITH OF OTHERS!

Treat others with respect and you wont get shit like this. Your Welcome!

Your argument is essentially, "we don't know how x happened, therefore god." Insufficient for any thinking person.

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

MindPhuk, Let give this subject some much due transparency

The Clarification :
"Lack of any empirical evidence of a deity is excellent reason to consider the possibility that it is a man-derived myth"- Keyword here is possibility. Your making a possibility a conclusion of no god. This needs to be expanded upon more. In the event that there is a lack of any empirical evidence of a deity that would in deed be a solid reason to consider MANY POSSIBILITIES...NOT justThat of "its just a man-derived myth", as your implying. Thats a materalistic train of thought. Human Life, and our Universe are extremely complex subjects. Way beyond the average humans mental capacities.

You are very misinformed if you believe their is no evidence to a deity, especially a divine intellectual creator of a religion. I am not sure how you are so close minded on that.

The Key to finding the truth in life is accepting the reality that everything you believe could in fact be incorrect. You seem interested in this subject and I greatly recommend you apply yourself into some sincere research of both sides of the argument and make a choice of your own, for yourself.

Naturalistic Explanation?As in explanation of absolute facts? Please inform me of what gibberish that is.So you logically believe we could naturally conceive a higher power, on the sole power of own species. Quantum Physics shows you can not make/take something from nothing. Most religion's agree on one very unique belief that gives more prudence to Divine intervention as the only other logical option. IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS NOTHING. Especially in consideration of the sheer size of the creation we are considering can not, has not, and will never have a exact defintion.

You will never find something your not looking for. FOR THE LAST TIME....DONT BELIEVE ANYONE, ESPECIALLY ME, THINK FOR YOURSELF....BUT NOT AT THE COST OF TREADING ON THE WILL, OR FAITH OF OTHERS! ----This sums up how I feel about this argument.

Where do you draw the conclusion of "essentially your argument is we dont know how x happened, therefore god." You are Insufficiently thinking things through completely. You twisted my words of THERE IS FAR MORE WE DONT KNOW THAN THAT OF WHAT WE DO KNOW to fit your pathetic attempt to sling trollish behavior and change my words to " we dont know how it happend, therefore god. I never said that anywhere in my above text. in fact its one of the smallest sentences in the post. The other being

YOUR WELCOME!!!!!!!!!( shortest sentence) MINDLESS(WAD) is aFUCK (WAD)! Changing words is really fun if you are looking to have a moment of immature thinking and behavior

 

[cannabineer]

MindPhuk, Let give this subject some much due transparency

The Clarification :
You are very misinformed if you believe there is no evidence to a deity, especially a divine intellectual creator of a religion. I am not sure how you are so close minded on that.

If you can show me such evidence I will pay attention. Bear in mind that the existence of a religious text or any other story told by humans to humans (which I believe all religious texts and accounts to be) does not count as evidence, because there is no way out of the circularity of using such to support the argument.
I also don't see much that is credible/compelling in "intelligent design" concepts. They all do not rely on evidence for a deity. They combine negative evidence for the absence of a deity with a basic premise that mindphuk has already discharged: "we cannot imagine how in nature, so ... something beyond nature". The deficiency of current human imagination is by no means a compelling argument for a superhuman agency. Jmo. cn

The Key to finding the truth in life is accepting the reality that everything you believe could in fact be incorrect. You seem interested in this subject and I greatly recommend you apply yourself into some sincere research of both sides of the argument and make a choice of your own, for yourself.

.So you logically believe we could naturally conceive a higher power, on the sole power of own species.

I do. Imo it is a feature/quirk of our neurochemistries that we cognize certain things/conditions as 'spirit".

Quantum Physics shows you can not make/take something from nothing.

I don't agree. Quantum pair formation/resorption, which can be "split" at event horizons to produce free unpaired particles. matter and energy from nothing.

Most religions agree on one very unique belief that gives more prudence to Divine intervention as the only other logical option. IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS NOTHING. Especially in consideration of the sheer size of the creation we are considering can not, has not, and will never have a exact defintion.

 

[MixedMelodyMindBender]

Im done repeating myself. The evidence is for you yourself to find. I openly state to NOT BELIEVE ME, THINK FOR YOURSELF.


Thats a very misleading statement to make about Quantum Physics. But going with your thought...what good is matter if it has no PURPOSE : It has to gain a PURPOSE from something in which quantum physics points to Intel Design. Google Quantum Physics that points toward a god....You are far from correct. This needs to be expanded upon more to be true and accurate.
Its in the abilities of these matters and energies to have intelligent capacity in order to become more than mere matter(aimless matter in motion) or energy. The ability to compound into something more PROVES that they are of intelligent design for if left on THEIR OWN they would remain just aimless particles in motion that will more than likely run into a lot of shit and disperse into smaller particles ( laws of inertia playing now as well) . Useless Space Particle Matter and Energy that is aimlessly in motion in space is not the answer to are alpha. There is a minute chance, but no one is able to calculate the odds.

To clarify they are photons. A photon generator creates photons. Something creates or makes them magically appear in its natural state/realm. They do not just happen. They are created through an intelligent process labeled Quantum Entanglement.

PROVES SO! DO The MATH FOR YOURSELF Again, please don't believe me.

You are entitled to an opinion and I will gladly defend your right to it, but I have to say, its only an opinion and not a fact. For a reason imo There is proof of metaphysical entities that we can not completely explain and some we cant even come close on. The marjority believe that God created-found us, Not we created god or a subject idea of a higher power. Idea's don't fall from the sky, they are created through a very complex, and intelligent process. As a species, we are very young in the scale of space and time. We have learned only a microscopic amount of our full genetic potential. A FULL GENETIC POTENTIAL THAT IS BEING FULFILLED ON THE ONLY COMPILED MATTER TUNED FOR OUR VERY SURVIVAL as well as the survival of millions and millions of other animals....And the only one we know for sure that can support our survival of our species, specifically. In our galaxy , which is god like big, it seems odd we ended up on the rock by a godly big combination of really extremely rare and set of circumstances that just happened to work out to the creation of us and many many other animals...and this all happened spontaniously instead of intelligently...Riiighttt. We forgetting its just us on earth? Thats a whole shit ton of creation...thats happening under extreme set of circumstances. The chances that this all happened spontaniously instead of by means of something of a higher intelligent power/deity are so distantly proportioned its laughable to conceive that this all happened by chance, and spontaneously and for some, for the sheer benefit of their not being a all knowing higher deity.

Find it even harder to fathom that we have a desire to breed for the PURPOSE of saving our species. Seems like a smart idea if your making humans. Particles dont come to gether and create desired purposeful intent to continue its own exsistence. As we know, photons dont have offspring, they just get to share one another without the need nor care of reproduction. Fuckin odd eh?> You know of the only one god to ever claim to have a purpose that is designed for us to not know of until he says so. Even odder right....fuckin nutzpa. How come rocks dont mate? How come gold and silver dont get it on. How come anything living has a means to reproduce....every last living animal...and again, mind you...were not alone..... What be a natural action and purpose to protect are offspring without a God?

God is the most complex entity. A purpose filled life is not a product of evolution, random creations, or astronomical chances. Its the product of a all knowing creator-designer.

To clarify, most monotheistic religions believe in the fundamental of in the beginning there was nothing. Not much to disagree with on that one...Nothing chirped is nothing heard. No comment on that common trait in higher powers that is actually backed up by great amounts of science??? From nothing life was created, did'nt just happen. There was a purpose, and there still is to tjhis very day. We all live very purpose filled lives...and this is all by chance? rare circumstances? evolved from nothingness? OPEN YOUR EYES!

The very act we are doing right now is because of a language. Which was created because of a desire to communicate...( wonder why we got programmed with that ability in our fine dna by the finest dna creator in the world) ...Seems like a agenda there....a purpose, a point to make. Purpose is Not something that happened by chance, or fell out the sky, or randomly become evolved into our species. It is one the single biggest FACTS that points to divine intel creation over any other possible option.

YOUR WELCOME!

 

[Heisenberg]

Look at that, When Sativa isn't involved we have actual discussion of evidence (or the lack of) instead of schoolyard teasing.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Im done repeating myself. The evidence is for you yourself to find. I openly state to NOT BELIEVE ME, THINK FOR YOURSELF.


Thats a very misleading statement to make about Quantum Physics. But going with your thought...what good is matter if it has no PURPOSE :

Just because it's more comfortable for you to believe that matter has purpose doesn't make it so.

It has to gain a PURPOSE from something in which quantum physics points to Intel Design. Google Quantum Physics that points toward a god....You are far from correct. This needs to be expanded upon more to be true and accurate.

Again, you're adding the qualifier that matter has purpose, which is completely whimsical and unsubstantiated. It seems to me you think matter has purpose because your theory relies on it to make sense, that's circular.

Its in the abilities of these matters and energies to have intelligent capacity in order to become more than mere matter(aimless matter in motion) or energy. The ability to compound into something more PROVES that they are of intelligent design for if left on THEIR OWN they would remain just aimless particles in motion that will more than likely run into a lot of shit and disperse into smaller particles ( laws of inertia playing now as well) .

Do you mean laws of physics? I fail to see how this points to intelligent design...

Useless Space Particle Matter and Energy that is aimlessly in motion in space is not the answer to are alpha. There is a minute chance, but no one is able to calculate the odds.

Useless space and particles aren't thought to have existed before the big bang, no one knows for sure what was before the big bang.....

To clarify they are photons. A photon generator creates photons. Something creates or makes them magically appear in its natural state/realm. They do not just happen. They are created through an intelligent process labeled Quantum Entanglement.

I assure you, there is nothing "magical" about it. Just because we don't know everything about a given topic does not mean we should inject it with god to explain away the problems. Problems are good, they lead to solutions. Reminds me of a cartoon;

PROVES SO! DO The MATH FOR YOURSELF Again, please don't believe me.

This proves a testable principle in QM, but says nothing about god existing....

You are entitled to an opinion and I will gladly defend your right to it, but I have to say, its only an opinion and not a fact. For a reason imo There is proof of metaphysical entities that we can not completely explain and some we cant even come close on.

If it can react with reality it's not metaphysical, it's physical. If it's physical, it's testable. If it's testable show me the test, or stop making untestable knowledge claims.

The marjority believe that God created-found us, Not we created god or a subject idea of a higher power. Idea's don't fall from the sky, they are created through a very complex, and intelligent process.

No, good ideas are created throught a very complex and intelligent process. Bad ideas are a dime a dozen...

You're correct ideas don't fall from the sky, humans come up with them to try to explain what they see and before we knew anything about anything what made the most sense was that an intelligent force was pulling strings from behind the scenes. Now we can explain exponentially more about reality, and don't need to shove 'god' into the equation.

As a species, we are very young in the scale of space and time. We have learned only a microscopic amount of our full genetic potential. A FULL GENETIC POTENTIAL THAT IS BEING FULFILLED ON THE ONLY COMPILED MATTER TUNED FOR OUR VERY SURVIVAL as well as the survival of millions and millions of other animals....

What? You think we're here to help with the survival of other animals? You lost me...

And the only one we know for sure that can support our survival of our species, specifically. In our galaxy , which is god like big, it seems odd we ended up on the rock by a godly big combination of really extremely rare and set of circumstances that just happened to work out to the creation of us and many many other animals...and this all happened spontaniously instead of intelligently...Riiighttt.

So, you go from using QM for the basis of your argument, which says that anything is possible given enough time, to dismissing the idea that out of the billions and billions of galaxies that exist, and out of the billions and billions of planets in each of those galaxies, it's not possible for more life to have evolved under similar circumstances to us?

You keep using words like "creation" to describe us and animals when we evolved from simple single celled organisms. It's pretty well documented, it's called evolution. You should really check it out.

We forgetting its just us on earth? Thats a whole shit ton of creation...thats happening under extreme set of circumstances. The chances that this all happened spontaniously instead of by means of something of a higher intelligent power/deity are so distantly proportioned its laughable to conceive that this all happened by chance, and spontaneously and for some, for the sheer benefit of their not being a all knowing higher deity.

It's not just us on earth.... 99% of species that have ever existed are now extinct.

I wouldn't say it was spontaneous either, it happened according to the laws of physics and natural selection

Find it even harder to fathom that we have a desire to breed for the PURPOSE of saving our species. Seems like a smart idea if your making humans.

All species have a biological motivation to reproduce, it's literally the only reason we exist. If we didn't have that drive, no one would reproduce and the species would die. Just look at the fucking pandas....

This is all completely explainable through biology...

Particles dont come to gether and create desired purposeful intent to continue its own exsistence. As we know, photons dont have offspring, they just get to share one another without the need nor care of reproduction. Fuckin odd eh?>

Not really, one is alive and one is not. All living things on earth came from the same primordial soup, x billion years ago, so how would it make sense if we didn't have some of the same basic biological drives?

You know of the only one god to ever claim to have a purpose that is designed for us to not know of until he says so.

What?

How come rocks dont mate? How come gold and silver dont get it on.

The same reason rocks and gold can't heal themselves, they're non-living things.

How come anything living has a means to reproduce....every last living animal...and again, mind you...were not alone..... What be a natural action and purpose to protect are offspring without a God? God is the most complex entity. A purpose filled life is not a product of evolution, random creations, or astronomical chances. Its the product of a all knowing creator-designer.

We derive purpose from our environment, not god. Before we had agriculture your purpose in life would be to run around trying not to die in too brutal of a death, while hunting and gathering food when it was available.

Purpose? Our purpose is survival.

To clarify, most monotheistic religions believe in the fundamental of in the beginning there was nothing. Not much to disagree with on that one...Nothing chirped is nothing heard. No comment on that common trait in higher powers that is actually backed up by great amounts of science.

Matter can't be created or destroyed, the "beginning" could have very well been the "end" of a previous universe.

 

[cannabineer]

It is my current belief that purpose, like spirit, is an anthropoptic term. (anthropoptic = only makes sense from human perspective/prejudice)
I don't see a need for purpose except in purely human context. So for me, speaking of the purpose of life, nature, the universe ... is merely begging the question. Believing that the universe or nature etc. has a purpose is the same thing as believing in an engaged creative deity ... merely a semantic repackaging. I do not believe in a purpose that I, or some other human, doesn't supply. Imo.

As for the evidence being for me to find ... that sounds like a cop-out. It is a hallmark of credible evidence that it is objective ... that it can be submitted for scrutiny by skeptics. Otherwise it does not deserve the term. Using the word "evidence" specifically refers to something that will withstand neutral-to-hostile inquiry. I did not think it necessary to cover semantics! So my request is: make with the evidence or rescind your use of the term.

There is proof of metaphysical entities that we can not completely explain and some we cant even come close on.

I would be interested in seeing this proof. I will say I am inclined to disbelieve it, because one cannot have a hope of proving something that one cannot explain or define! Isn't it in the very nature of metaphysical anythings that they are speculative, without concrete anchor? cn

 

[Padawanbater2]

Human Life, and our Universe are extremely complex subjects. Way beyond the average humans mental capacities.

Which would mean a being capable of creating human life and the (not "our") universe would have to be at least equally as complex if you're being extremely generous. How was God created?

You are very misinformed if you believe their is no evidence to a deity, especially a divine intellectual creator of a religion. I am not sure how you are so close minded on that.

Cite some examples. What do you feel is the strongest evidence to support the existence of a god and why?

I greatly recommend you apply yourself into some sincere research of both sides of the argument and make a choice of your own, for yourself.

Do you think atheists don't do sincere research of both sides of the argument? A God vs. no God?

Most atheists that I know, including myself, were brought up religious. Atheism is not the 'norm' in our society, it takes work to achieve it. It takes much critical thought, analyzation, reflection and introspection to realize ones disbelief. What we once thought was absolutely true did turn out to be a lie.

Why do you think people, especially people in other countries, tend to mock religion? It's already been pointed out in this thread. Why are 90% of scientists non believers in traditional gods? The likelihood of that being a coincidence is tiny.

Where do you draw the conclusion of "essentially your argument is we dont know how x happened, therefore god."

"Do you even know how many cells are in the human body? Do you understand just how complex we really are? Do you have a clue how long earth has been around? Life is a subject of complexity. Not just something that just happened. Complex thing like humans, and earth, and the solar system and something far greater than a human being can design. There is far more we DONT KNOW than what WE DO KNOW."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

You are in fact saying "I don't know/I can't explain how _____ happened, therefore, God."

Just because you can't explain it or don't believe/accept the explanation doesn't make the explanation any less valid, it just makes you wrong/ignorant for not accepting the explanation of rules of reality based on centuries of established practice.

Im done repeating myself. The evidence is for you yourself to find.

Religion - "the evidence is there, you just have to find it for yourself"

Science - "here's the evidence, come test it and see for yourself"

...what good is matter if it has no PURPOSE

"good", "purpose" are subjective terms.

In our galaxy , which is god like big, it seems odd we ended up on the rock by a godly big combination of really extremely rare and set of circumstances that just happened to work out to the creation of us and many many other animals...and this all happened spontaniously instead of intelligently...Riiighttt.

Goddamn, biggest appeal to ignorance yet! If you knew even the basics of cosmology you would understand how the universe works. You depreciate the value of centuries of scientific work when you make such a stupid statement. You take your brain completely for granted.

We forgetting its just us on earth? Thats a whole shit ton of creation...thats happening under extreme set of circumstances. The chances that this all happened spontaniously instead of by means of something of a higher intelligent power/deity are so distantly proportioned its laughable to conceive that this all happened by chance, and spontaneously and for some, for the sheer benefit of their not being a all knowing higher deity.

Why has 99.9% of all living organisms become extinct?

Life didn't happen 'spontaneously', it took an entire sequence of events over a 4.5 billion year time period. How could you conclude 'spontaneous' from that?

'magic', magic is more likely to you than science.

Find it even harder to fathom that we have a desire to breed for the PURPOSE of saving our species.

Find it as hard to fathom as you want, doesn't mean it's not the case. Do you want your species to go extinct? No? You just proved your own point wrong.

Seems like a smart idea if your making humans. Particles dont come to gether and create desired purposeful intent to continue its own exsistence. As we know, photons dont have offspring, they just get to share one another without the need nor care of reproduction.

Why would you compare humans to photons, put together some absurd requirement for existing simply for being in existence, conclude they're totally different then yet again appeal to ignorance because you can't understand something? I feel safe in saying you've had very little scientific training.

What be a natural action and purpose to protect are offspring without a God?

Survival.

God is the most complex entity. A purpose filled life is not a product of evolution, random creations, or astronomical chances. Its the product of a all knowing creator-designer.

YOUR WELCOME!

Deriving a purpose for ones life is the responsibility of the individual. We give our own lives meaning and purpose. Believers can't even agree on a purpose they supposedly get from God. The purpose you think you get from your religion is an illusion eluding your intellect. It's false, and every time you go to work on Sunday or commit any other myriad of sins you admit it.

Religion is a convenient way for people to follow a set path. Atheism requires courage, strength, honesty and passion. You have to want to know the truth, even if it means it hurts.

Good luck on your angry religious conquest to convince non believers the flaws in science using... science..

 

[Heisenberg]

The particular God someone worships tends to have a great deal to do with the geographical and chronological location you were born in. This is a point that has been demonstrated quite conclusively. When and where you were born very much shapes the specific certitude you are likely to have in God. Since circumstances of birth are random, this strongly suggests a significant if not key component to the idea of God is culture. Virtually all cultures have creation myths, resurrection myths, flood myths, ect. It seems likely that the idea of God is simply our brains tendency to apply intentional agents to what we perceive as meaningful patters. Intentional agents are also something we can demonstrate and document fairly conclusively. The particulars of those agents are shaped by culture and passed down through history from parents to children. It doesn't matter how absurd the belief is, if the authority figures back it up most of the children will believe it. All of this represents several strong lines of evidence to suggest that man created God, or more aptly the specifics of God, rather than the other way around.

 

[eye exaggerate]

...is there a framework behind science that can been approached with the 5 senses? Science is thought after the effect, I believe. So what is behind thought? Or, were you born a container with 'x' amount of info and capability that will eventually disintegrate?

 

[cannabineer]

...is there a framework behind science that can been approached with the 5 senses? Science is thought after the effect, I believe. So what is behind thought? Or, were you born a container with 'x' amount of info and capability that will eventually disintegrate?

I don't know if this is to point, but science is necessarily restricted to what we can reproducibly sense. Much of the history of science is the technical history of sensory-extension engines, from Galileo's telescope to the magnificent machined piles at CERN. cn

 

[eye exaggerate]

I don't know if this is to point, but science is necessarily restricted to what we can reproducibly sense. Much of the history of science is the technical history of sensory-extension engines, from Galileo's telescope to the magnificent machined piles at CERN. cn

...tanks

But the framework looks to me like all the thinking that is going on. Even on a computational level, we see the effects and assume that the rest is just 'on'. (imhumbleo )

 

[mindphuk]

MindPhuk, Let give this subject some much due transparency

The Clarification :
"Lack of any empirical evidence of a deity is excellent reason to consider the possibility that it is a man-derived myth"- Keyword here is possibility. Your making a possibility a conclusion of no god. This needs to be expanded upon more. In the event that there is a lack of any empirical evidence of a deity that would in deed be a solid reason to consider MANY POSSIBILITIES...NOT justThat of "its just a man-derived myth", as your implying. Thats a materalistic train of thought. Human Life, and our Universe are extremely complex subjects. Way beyond the average humans mental capacities.

If I told you I had an invisible dragon in my garage that could breath heatless fire, I bet you would like some evidence of that before you believe I'm making it up. However, my dragon, although I say it is real, does not leave any evidence of it's existence for you to find. Of the many possibilities, how likely is it that there really is no dragon and I'm delusional or just making it up?
The claim of a god has the same problem. We understand why ancient, superstitious people would anthropomorphize things in nature and create gods. I would bet you are atheistic toward the pagan gods of Greece or Norway, so why should I treat the biblical god any different? Especially seeing the transformation from early Canaanite desert deities, I should be able to safely say that the probability is very high that Yahweh is as much of a myth as Odin and Thor.

You are very misinformed if you believe their is no evidence to a deity, especially a divine intellectual creator of a religion. I am not sure how you are so close minded on that.

In fact I am quite informed and very open minded. I have yet to see any of the evidence claimed by theists to be compelling enough for me to believe.

The Key to finding the truth in life is accepting the reality that everything you believe could in fact be incorrect. You seem interested in this subject and I greatly recommend you apply yourself into some sincere research of both sides of the argument and make a choice of your own, for yourself.

I actually do accept that most everything I believe can be incorrect. The question is do you? Are you willing to be convinced by reasoned argument that there might not be a god? My guess is that your mind is already made up and you won't accept anything that we say. BTW, that is the definition of close minded.

Naturalistic Explanation?As in explanation of absolute facts? Please inform me of what gibberish that is.So you logically believe we could naturally conceive a higher power, on the sole power of own species. Quantum Physics shows you can not make/take something from nothing. Most religion's agree on one very unique belief that gives more prudence to Divine intervention as the only other logical option. IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS NOTHING. Especially in consideration of the sheer size of the creation we are considering can not, has not, and will never have a exact defintion.

Naturalistic explanations mean that we have good explanations of how the solar system was created and how humans came to be by purely natural means. Why do you say that's gibberish?
What kind of gibberish does the rest of this paragraph mean?

You will never find something your not looking for. FOR THE LAST TIME....DONT BELIEVE ANYONE, ESPECIALLY ME, THINK FOR YOURSELF....BUT NOT AT THE COST OF TREADING ON THE WILL, OR FAITH OF OTHERS! ----This sums up how I feel about this argument.

I do think for myself. However, you are responding with some amount of certainty on this subject. I think it is reasonable to ask you to present this evidence you keep speaking of.

Where do you draw the conclusion of "essentially your argument is we dont know how x happened, therefore god."

I think Pad explained it sufficiently.

You are Insufficiently thinking things through completely.

No, I think that's what you are doing.

You twisted my words of THERE IS FAR MORE WE DONT KNOW THAN THAT OF WHAT WE DO KNOW to fit your pathetic attempt to sling trollish behavior and change my words to " we dont know how it happend, therefore god. I never said that anywhere in my above text. in fact its one of the smallest sentences in the post. The other being

YOUR WELCOME!!!!!!!!!( shortest sentence) MINDLESS(WAD) is aFUCK (WAD)! Changing words is really fun if you are looking to have a moment of immature thinking and behavior

I did not insult you or call you names. How about if you quit with the personal attacks?

 

[tyler.durden]

Wow, MMMB. Your posts were chum to this subforum's elite atheist debate sharks. You got to hear from Pad, Heis, BB, MP and cn! They can collectively teach you a LOT if you let them. Can't wait for your counterpoints, there's nothing good on right now. I'm going to go clone some plants...

 

[olylifter420]

What is there to teach? There is nothing to learn except about peoples' personal beliefs about our beliefs. The science has always been there.

This forum has given me a lot of insight, so much so, that one day in the future, i wouldnt mind running for a rep position for the district i live in.

I think the injustices caused by some politicians are outrageous and although i am a believer, i believe my position will be unbiased because what i have learned here. Thanks guys.

 

[Filthy Phil]

I'm so glad to see how many pages of responses there are to this, probably my most successful thread ever =)

 

[Dreaming1]

Definitely messed up a lot of stuff, but the improvement they made to kinky sex is immeasurable.

 

[Antidote Man]

They want you to forgive, for the wrongs that are done to you, without ever addressing the very wrongs and working to change them. because they themselves are wrong. the scary truth - we can only do wrong. if we do right to one we are doing wrong to another. lets face it though, god hates us. all of us. what kind of world has he left us? the proof should be clear. I personally believe that we exist because God got lonely. Christians believe in hell because they've built one and now they're trying to put us all in it. Like most of us already aren't. On top this, they've spent 2000 years turning time around to work by a calendar that worships the brutal death of a Jew, who supposedly died for everyone's sins (and mostly, so Christians can get away with doing what they want), while most of them blame Jews as money hoarders and sneaks. but they worship one. if that isn't a complete contradiction I don't know what is. As for Christian time keeping, I can't get a goddamned grocery store in my fairly large city to stay open later than 11pm or a restaurant to open up on Sunday because of these evil fuckers. They will ultimately be proved wrong to the point that the human brain won't be able to hold the thought of their righteousness. Believing in the holiness of Christ will be like walking into a stone wall, nobody will do it...

 

[StonedGardener]

oh and Christianity also stopped the advancement of science...

and I have no idea if this graph is statistically correct, but its funny as fuck

Also cause of " Dark Ages ". Catholic school ( up to 6th grade) certainly didn't enhance my life...I'm still pissed off about.......I remember when very young, riding home after school many times on my bike through the alleys balling my eyes out ......mean fucking nuns would really pitch into me

 

[MICHI-CAN]

I think true bible reading Christians are what we all should emulate in the compassion their verses repeatedly try to instill.

And the hypo-christrian politicians are making the world worse from the beginning of papal ordinance.

Wish christian were forced to read the book. I was.