Hahaha! It's GreenTV!wow - and i wonder why i don't watch tv at night anymore... ive been admiring those pics for the last hour! and im baked on some nice purple pineberry, good times
Back to a Grow Room - 4 x 600, 1 x 1000
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whitewidow2
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More please Roor
Have you seen these new controllers? I've been waiting a few years for this product to make its way into our industry. Sero is the secondary company of Digital Aquatics. They have been in the controller business for over 8 years.
You can go check the web page for the specifics. I will give you the 35,000 foot view of this device. First off, it's modular. You start with the controller brain, and then add probes and modules as needed. You can control and orchestrate 16 different probes/sensors/modules as needed. This device can do everything from controlling fans, AC, humidity devices, PH, Temp, PPM's, CO2, lights, pumps, etc.
I started with the Soil Pack. It contains the main brain, the quad power bar, and the remote RH/Temp sensor. The remote sensor (and all the probes and modules) uses a 6-wire RJ-11 cable for the connection; finally, a remote sensor we can put any distance we like from the main brain of the controller.
There's also a tech pak available that includes a web server to allow you to control the unit from any computer connected to the web. You can also generate reports and graphs based on various data you are monitoring (temp, humid, PH, PPM, etc). You can have it send text messages to your phone for any parameter (if the temp should go up, the PH needs adjusting, etc).
You can do elaborate relationship controlling. Example: You could use multiple temp and humidity sensors to orchestrate something like.... If the temp outside is below 60 degrees, use my standard fan ventilation system, but when the temps outside go above 60, I want to switch to AC! The inclusion of a clock in the main unit, allows for time based control as well.
The price is nice too! This soil kit can be had for less than $300 out the door (unless you live in WA where you will have to pay tax too).
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4tatude
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LR, just catching up from thanksgiving, wow everything looks great!!! the new opp is shaping up very nice despite the restrictions your working with. the girls...whats there to say other than great!!!
now thats a nifty controller, very small n compact. sounds like its the cats meow. is that one for you or the new room? had couple other things i wanted to ask/say but will have to go back, look n re read a few pages before it comes to me. oh well great to see the updates n btw thanks for the kind words, much appreciated...
edit: ok so now that i went back it jogged my brain cell, thats right the one i have left lol. wanted to say how cool the light tunell was looking down it, also ask why you didnt mount the fans in the bath rather than the grow room? know theres a reason, curious brain cell wants to know. LR hope you had a great thanksgiving man, later...
now thats a nifty controller, very small n compact. sounds like its the cats meow. is that one for you or the new room? had couple other things i wanted to ask/say but will have to go back, look n re read a few pages before it comes to me. oh well great to see the updates n btw thanks for the kind words, much appreciated...
edit: ok so now that i went back it jogged my brain cell, thats right the one i have left lol. wanted to say how cool the light tunell was looking down it, also ask why you didnt mount the fans in the bath rather than the grow room? know theres a reason, curious brain cell wants to know. LR hope you had a great thanksgiving man, later...
I had a great Thanksgiving--Thanks. I hope you enjoyed the last few days too.
Yeah - this controller is for the new zone. If it works as expected, I will likely replace my other controllers.
In general, pulling is better than pushing when it comes to ducting; both is best. I have heard arguments from both sides, but through personal experience, I find pulling to provide more cooling. Just try it - pulling always seems to have more 'suck' at the end of a duct run than pushing does. This is my thinking... when you pull air in to cool, the coolest air passes over the first light... as the air moves progressively over each light it gets hotter and provides less cooling to each hood. Pulling offsets this problem by speeding up the flow of air as it gets closer to the fan; the last light in the run has the warmest air passing over it, but the air is moving more quickly than it was through the proceeding lights because it is closer to the pulling fan. When you push the air through the hoods, not only do you first warm it a bit by sending it through the fan, but more noticeably, the coolest air would be moving most quickly over the first lights. The final light would end up with the slowest moving, warmest air. Again, this is just my thoughts and observations. Try it yourself the next time you set up a zone. Let me know what you think? I could be tripping!
Thanks givin' my girls a whistle! I'm at Day 42; 2 weeks to go! I removed a few leaves of PM on one plant tonight. I guess I will sneak in one last sulfur tomorrow just to play it safe. I will just do a quick 30 minute burn, and then air it out good.
Your scene is looking great! Those HB are off the hook. Yeah.
4tatude
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no argument there for sure, ive watched test using clear ducting and smoke infusion using 2 diferent colors of smoke so you can actually see the way it moves and where it mixes due to terbulance, n talked to designers re: fans and air movement from a push or pull perspective. the pull will def provide more air movement as long as the discharge area is not very far away and not too many degrees of turn in duct before reaching exaust point. it seems air acts just like water in movement. in the duct on the negative side it creates a vortex on its way to source of -pressure, on the +side it has turbulance at a shorter distance that restricts out flow. it will eventually return to a vortex if given enough distance without turns but will be a weaker movement by far than the -side therefore resulting in compromizing the fans ability to pull. another thing is on both + and - sides when air direction is changed it too creates friction/turbulance slowing flow, thats why geting the straitest run possable is so important. if change of direction is needed a design like 2- 45*angles is much better than a 90* turn.the 45* turn will deflect the flow without compromizing the vortex rather than like a 90* that causes so much friction/turbulance the flow piles up and actually has to change direction and start all over again. that and sizing your fans properly to accomidate for friction loss and volume needed is critical in fan choice. so your not tripping by far lol, sorry to be so long winded
Nice explanation Fort! U da man. Do you have a link to those clear duct smoke tests? I'd love to see that!no argument there for sure, ive watched test using clear ducting and smoke infusion using 2 diferent colors of smoke so you can actually see the way it moves and where it mixes due to terbulance, n talked to designers re: fans and air movement from a push or pull perspective. the pull will def provide more air movement as long as the discharge area is not very far away and not too many degrees of turn in duct before reaching exaust point. it seems air acts just like water in movement. in the duct on the negative side it creates a vortex on its way to source of -pressure, on the +side it has turbulance at a shorter distance that restricts out flow. it will eventually return to a vortex if given enough distance without turns but will be a weaker movement by far than the -side therefore resulting in compromizing the fans ability to pull. another thing is on both + and - sides when air direction is changed it too creates friction/turbulance slowing flow, thats why geting the straitest run possable is so important. if change of direction is needed a design like 2- 45*angles is much better than a 90* turn.the 45* turn will deflect the flow without compromizing the vortex rather than like a 90* that causes so much friction/turbulance the flow piles up and actually has to change direction and start all over again. that and sizing your fans properly to accomidate for friction loss and volume needed is critical in fan choice. so your not tripping by far lol, sorry to be so long winded
Yeah, I did my best to keep duct turns and runs at a minimum, but I did have to restrict flow a little here and there to make things fit. I don't like having to share the single 8" intake for the 2 light exhaust lanes, but there was not enough room for two intakes where that bathroom window comes in. The longer curve, turn, and duct run required for that lane may end up being an issue. I may need to boost that side a bit, or put a speed control on the other lane to balance the pull of fresh air through the lights.
Environmental testing will be coming up shortly! I have been tending a new round of veg plants for this new room. The first round of intended material got too big and had to be planted in another zone! haha I had to get another batch going to allow for my lagging time table! This zone has been some work, lots of little hurdles along the way. I'm excited to get it operational.
At 42 Days things are on schedule.
At Week 6, things are on schedule. This nugget of OG Kush looks good enough to eat now, but I think I'll a wait a couple more weeks...
Does this look bigger 1 day later? This is the day after giving them my peak, 6 week feed at 1350ppm - Day 43, OG.
The Madagascar look great at 43 days. I love to watch this plant grow. She's so easy. You can see they have just a hint of tip burn. I hit them with a peak feed of 1250ppm at Day 42.
Trays of OG at 42 Days.
Madi Nug at Day 43.
At Week 6, things are on schedule. This nugget of OG Kush looks good enough to eat now, but I think I'll a wait a couple more weeks...
Does this look bigger 1 day later? This is the day after giving them my peak, 6 week feed at 1350ppm - Day 43, OG.
The Madagascar look great at 43 days. I love to watch this plant grow. She's so easy. You can see they have just a hint of tip burn. I hit them with a peak feed of 1250ppm at Day 42.
Trays of OG at 42 Days.
Madi Nug at Day 43.
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4tatude
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wished i did have a link as it would really take the understanding of air movement for many to a new understanding. my experience was a real time test i was involved in at the NASA test center in mountain view ca years ago. the whole facility was dedicated to the study of air movement and its affect on shapes. they studied/tested the aerodinamics of cars, airplane fusalages, lift on wing design, anything that wind friction or lift had a role in. i was there to study the friction in ductwork in turbon exaust in boilers used to produce electricity. very interesting and these many years later its still like i can close my eyes and see it like real time. one of those AH HA!! moments in life we get so few of lol. it also helped that the eng. conducting the classes was very aware that he wasnt dealing with like minded people and explained things that laymen fully understood. hats off to great teachers who want others to learn instead of try n impress them...
isnt it amazing how the little things take so much time? the bulk can be thrown in place and it looks like your knocking shit out faster than originaly planned, then comes the finess work that puts you in the red lol. no way to hurry it n no need to get frustrated either, its just the way shit goes. im sure like you said, there4 will be things show their ugly head you hadnt even thought about. in the end you will overcome or make adjustments and it will give lots of service problem free or as close as us mortals can get to that point.
those buds are getting fat...looking dense as puck too. couldnt tell if it grew overnight but wouldnt doubt it. the madi looks killer, the more i look at it the more i like it more n more. looks like grenades on the top lol, love the frost on both. i can just about feel n smell them. lmao re: tha family size nug on last update, righto you are you coulde geet deep with that one for sure. ment to ask are those the 9x9 pots? and also what medium are you using? cant remember you saying.
Edit: LR whats the finish heigth on those madigascar the way your running?
hellraizer30
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Got a glimmer of signal
Looking great man !
Looking great man !
Thanks! Send up a smoke signal when you get the next opportunity!
I'm in the home stretch with just 10 days left. I'm happy with the current state of affairs. The buds are looking really nice - they smell sweet and chemy! I upped my sugar a bit this round.
OG Kush with just 10 days left to go.
46 Day Pornstar OG
Even the lowest, smallest, popcorn buds of OG are still quite nice! Check out these low hanging mini babies; 5+ feet from the light!
I mean, come on, this little speck of a bud is underground, yet it is still frosty!
Madagascar waiting in the wings while the OG is watered.
Madi nuggets at 46 Days
OG Kush with just 10 days left to go.
46 Day Pornstar OG
Even the lowest, smallest, popcorn buds of OG are still quite nice! Check out these low hanging mini babies; 5+ feet from the light!
I mean, come on, this little speck of a bud is underground, yet it is still frosty!
Madagascar waiting in the wings while the OG is watered.
Madi nuggets at 46 Days
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4tatude
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LR THOSE LOOK AWSOME!!! the 3rd pick down on the og looks like palm trees in background lol maby im way stoned but its what i saw. nice size on everything thers, and great bud to leaf ratio. those will be a sench to trim up.those madis look as good as a milf all decked out with that (i know what i want) look on her face. real sexy...
how tall are the bamboo stakes on the madi, trying to see how tall they are finished. also wanted to ask what medium your using.
how tall are the bamboo stakes on the madi, trying to see how tall they are finished. also wanted to ask what medium your using.
Yeah 29 Palms! Thanks. I'm happy. Yeah, the OG is literally pick and pluck, scissor-free trimming when it's dry. The Madi bud is all colors of the rainbow.
The stakes are 4 foot with the Madi. I'm using RootsO standard soil mix (green camo bag). I used to cut RootsO with perlite... but there's no need to do that these days.
4tatude
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my next run will be a soil grow, i picked up some plants already started in soil so i thought since my headband cuts in the hydro arent ready for a bit id try my hand in soil. im using the roots 707 mix also in a camo bag. its the same i used on the outside monster cropped girls in the fall. that was a bust as they got super infested with bugs and worms and i trashed them before everything got infested. i hated to but it is what it is. anyway im going to try it indoors where i have controll of things. im trimming on this run and it looks to be a nice pull, will let you know when its done. thanks for the info. couple more things, how often do you have to water? im using the same size pots as you have and i know its dependent on environmental factors but a general idea would help. also do you have an amount you give each plant or do you just theroughly wet them? ok i think im through with the 90 questions for now lol
Yo Fort! Outdoor growin' is fun, but hard without a naturally good environment. You'll kill it indoor with the 707... My buddy used to swear by standard RootsO soil, 707, and LightWarrior blend. Too much work for me, but he got good results.
As for watering in this zone:
The trays use approx 2.5 gallon pots (ActiveAqua 9" Square Vented) with lots of drainage holes and side vents in the corners. These generally get watered every other day. During warmer times of year in middle flower when they drink the most, I sometimes need to hit em daily. On cold/humid days, I can sometimes go 2 days without watering. Towards the end of the cycle, after 45 days, I may also go 2 or 3 days without watering... I go at least, 2 days without water before harvest. I divide 12 gallons among the 30 pots in the tray for most feeds. I sometimes divide 16 gallons among the 30 plants if it has been dry and warm. I use a pump and water wand to hand feed the trays.
The Madi on the floor are in the Botanicare 10" pots (the Made in Italy ones). These are 4ish gallon pots. With the Madi on the cool floor and with saucers underneath the pots, they go 2 - 4 days between feedings depending upon the weather/environment. The Madi recieve 2000ml (a little more than a half gallon) each. I actually use a watering can with the Madi (true hand feeding). This affords a really uniform watering but is a bit time consuming. It's easier as their are only 8 plants.
I do my best to try and 'bounce' my feeding schedules for the trays of OG, and the Madi on the floor. I prefer to only have to water one or the other on any given night.
Questions are all good! Be sure to let me know how your harvest goes. I'll pop over and check the pics!
The new zone is pretty much ready to go. I've been running the lights and fans for several hours. The weather is cool so things are really nice with little effort being placed on the intake/exhaust system. The new controller is choice - it works great!
A 50A PowerBox brings 240 and 120 outlets into the zone.
Eight Quantum 600w ballasts will power the lights.
The Sero controller is too cool. Of course it displays temp, humidity, time, and date, and all sorts of other info--including an amp meter... nice!
The Sero PPQ provides 4 controllable outlets, or 'Channels'.
Currently, I just have one RH module. It reads temp and humidity. I can turn any of the PPQ Channels off/on based on input from this RH1 module. I plan on getting a couple more of these modules to read outdoor incoming temps at my intake, and another one in another part of the zone for dual sensor monitoring.
The Room looks great with the lights on and the trays setup. The footprint is perfect for our 6 tray operation.
There are just a few finishing touches left at this point. Day Zero is near...
A 50A PowerBox brings 240 and 120 outlets into the zone.
Eight Quantum 600w ballasts will power the lights.
The Sero controller is too cool. Of course it displays temp, humidity, time, and date, and all sorts of other info--including an amp meter... nice!
The Sero PPQ provides 4 controllable outlets, or 'Channels'.
Currently, I just have one RH module. It reads temp and humidity. I can turn any of the PPQ Channels off/on based on input from this RH1 module. I plan on getting a couple more of these modules to read outdoor incoming temps at my intake, and another one in another part of the zone for dual sensor monitoring.
The Room looks great with the lights on and the trays setup. The footprint is perfect for our 6 tray operation.
There are just a few finishing touches left at this point. Day Zero is near...
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hellraizer30
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Nice bro very clean
My electrician put in the new panel. That was a little beyond my skills. I ran the new 240 circuit to the room and all the inside wiring. It's easy. You just need a book or an online tutorial the first time. I learned by watching a couple times. Just be sure to kill the power at the main when doing any work! Dont skimp on undersized copper!