M.O.B. Male

[organicness]

Hey all,

Just curious how important an MOB male plant would be to the community. Was just curious. Like, a theoretical type of thing.

 

[nl3004.kind]

oh, i would say that the pollen would go quite well in some circles... i am not sure that it would be a huge thing, but to me (and others, i imagine) it would be quite a good thing to have around...

 

[cerberus]

where would you get this said mob male? silver nitrate?

 

[tet1953]

Actually I think you refer to colloidal silver, cerberus. It is a process I am quite familiar with and in fact have been successful. Even if a plant is treated in that way however it would not produce a male. The seeds from that method of selfing results in feminized seeds. That's how some (many? all?) breeders make fem seeds.
As far as I know there are no seeds for MOB, only clones. Therefore any purported male of the strain would have to be the result of a herm, right?

 

[unohu69]

My understanding is feminized seeds are only more likely to be female. So in theory, you should get a male out of some of those created by CS method.
At which point, it would be advisable to take your best make and breed with the best female. Either way I think It would be a nice thing to have.

 

[Maine Brookies]

You need an X chromosome to make a boy. The female plant, she only has Y chromosomes.

 

[cerberus]

thanks for the knowledge tet.

and as far as i know mob is a clone only variety. so this leads me into, where you getting this male from?

 

[tet1953]

I have been thinking about doing it with the MOB Maine Brookies is absolutely correct..there are no X chromosomes to be found anywhere in the process. The CS prevents the selected clone from doing what it needs to do in order to express "femaleness", or create a flower. So, it does the only other thing it can..make pollen sacs. That is very special pollen however. It carries only Y chromosomes and thus any plant it used to pollenate will create feminized seeds. So, not only is it a great way to self a plant like a clone-only strain imo, it also makes it convenient to do crossing, which I also did.
They aren't just "more likely" to be female. They will be feminized seeds. But, as the shops will all tell you, any marijuana plant is capable of herming.
This stuff is fascinating and really easy to do.

 

[Maine Brookies]

There is a story that has the MoB coming from a grower in Washington County who was selectively breeding to shorten the flower time. If that is the case then a male would be possible.

But i have heard it mostly described as "clone only".

 

[unohu69]

So are you saying, technically a hermie, would be better in a seed stock production, in order use more of a selective breeding program, to get the best of the best of the .......

I was unaware of the CS female having only a Y Chromo. Tho while I trust your not spreading BS, I would like to read that info for my self. I have Gregg Green - Cannabis Breeders Bible, Iv only skimmed through it. And all the genetics stuff is way more advanced than I need to be at this point.

 

[tet1953]

Here's a link to the thread started by Grumpy Old Dreamer. Long thread, 280 posts. I have my results in there, as well as some pics of my colloid generator.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/387589-producing-feminised-seeds-using-colloidal.html


Now, I am no botanist nor am I am chemist. But in a nutshell this is how I understand it to work:

You take two clones of your lady. One of these you spray with colloidal silver once a day, starting a few days before switching to flower, and continuing for another week or so after that. The silver binds with copper molecules in the plant, making said copper unavailable to the plant. Plant needs copper to make ethylene, which is necessary to ripen (make flowers).
NOTE: a similar process is evident as fruits and veggies ripen; they create ethylene. Those special greenish bags that purport to slow ripening actually absorb ethylene.
So..plant can't make flowers. As we know, cannabis is a very resourceful plant. It wants to survive and propagate, hence the propensity to herm. HOWEVER! what you end up with in a CS process is not a herm, imo. You are not stressing the plant the way most herms occur such as light stress, old age etc. You are providing a chemical instruction that the plant is already programmed to process. Again, imo.
Skim through the thread, it is pretty interesting.

 

[tet1953]

So are you saying, technically a hermie, would be better in a seed stock production, in order use more of a selective breeding program, to get the best of the best of the .......

I was unaware of the CS female having only a Y Chromo. Tho while I trust your not spreading BS, I would like to read that info for my self. I have Gregg Green - Cannabis Breeders Bible, Iv only skimmed through it. And all the genetics stuff is way more advanced than I need to be at this point.

I have read that seeds produced as a result of hermaphrodization would have a tendancy to herm. I don't know if that is true or not, but I would have no reason to test the theory. I have enough seeds and clones to work with without that uncertainty.

 

[rollandtoke]

Dunno where or how you got it but definitely jealous. id run it with my best ladies if i was so lucky

 

[cerberus]

There is a story that has the MoB coming from a grower in Washington County who was selectively breeding to shorten the flower time. If that is the case then a male would be possible.

But i have heard it mostly described as "clone only".

i have heard the breeder WAS from S. paris but a little over a year ago he passed, and before he did he gifted his fantastic plant (MOB) to all his peeps. but no og plant..

 

[unohu69]

Ah, thats to bad, We should give a medal or a plaque or something to the original breeder. Some recognition would be good anyways. So now its just a matter of tracking down a cutting....id cherish it, and water it, and rub its pretty little stem, and ill even call it george....

 

[Biological Graffity]

Ah, thats to bad, We should give a medal or a plaque or something to the original breeder. Some recognition would be good anyways. So now its just a matter of tracking down a cutting....id cherish it, and water it, and rub its pretty little stem, and ill even call it george....

hope not , anything like George or Paul or Mike...my plants names are more like Stacy, Cristal ,Katie or Ann....LOL...I like stripper names too like Dallas or Star...

 

[unohu69]

george is short for georgia...


I like stripper names like candy, bambi and onja nees....

 

[Buddy232]

So are you saying, technically a hermie, would be better in a seed stock production, in order use more of a selective breeding program, to get the best of the best of the .......

In my opinion, absolutely 100%. Why? Because "hermies", they do naturally what no grower is going to go to the lengths of. They provide a formal method of gene stablization, where as all sexual reproduction involves gene swapping. Even inter-breeding, regardless of how many times you do it, your still passing a new gene mix to each following generation... regardless of whether or not prior ones had the exact same mix. IE) In the animal world, you can inter-breed the same lineage of black and white dogs forever - you may end up with dogs that all look alike (let's picture the Dalmation breed), however genetically, you will never end up with dogs that are identical. In the plant world (some animals too), when your reproducing asexually, parthenogenic, etc, for all intensive purposes the offsping is a clone of the parent.

It's good and bad. For an MJ plant, the ability to recognize stress and understand that it hasn't been fertilized - then convert energy from flower production and make new hormones to make pollen, thats a neat defense system. It ensures that ONE lineage lives rather than do it's natural job and either be a female and wait for pollen or be a male and make it. On the other hand, in a natural scenerio, asexual reproducers also limit themselves as far as diversity/evolution.


Edit: Plus, as long as the breeders were good and put the work into their projects as some of the people have mentioned in this thread, the word phenotype would not exsist. I've not been doing this for very long but when I see some folks fishing through 3-4 different plants types in some of the top strains. It makes me wonder if everyone on this forum could make the next "top strain".

 

[Maine Brookies]

I have read that seeds produced as a result of hermaphrodization would have a tendancy to herm.

Here's how it's been explained to me by a botanist. In a species having male or female flowers on separate plants hermaphroditism is a result of stress. Future generations of the plant will have a tendency to turn hermaphrodite based on the stress of previous generations. For example - i grow a plant in a tent that has huge hole next to the plant and the plant hermies as a result of light pollution seeding all the plants in the tent, including itself.

Of the resulting seeds, 100% of the self-pollenated seeds will be at least - if not more - sensitive that the parent was to light pollution. The seeds from crossing the hermaphrodite with a non-hermaphridtic plant will result in 50% of the offspring having a genetic sensitivity to light pollution. This sensitivity will have more variation than then self-pollenated seeds show. The offspring in both cases will be 100% female unless stressed to hermphroditism.

 

[MYWhat?]

Thanks for that link tet1953, good reading material and means of making your own colloidal silver.

As for finding good candidates for crossing. I have heard/read, that you want to find a true female. Now that may be a subjective way of saying it. But from what I understand. Commercial breeders will take several clones from a mother that they would like to use as the female and same for male/herm. They will then put a couple of each into stressful environments.
Say you had a couple small tents for example. They would throw a couple clones of each in a tents and subject that tent to light stress. The other tent would be set up as a different form of stress. What they are looking for is a strain that doesn't easily herm under these stresses. A strain that doesn't easily stress is obviously what they are looking for to use.
This helps to ensure what you will be crossing, wont have a tendency to herm under stress.
They then use colloidal silver to make male pollen, and make the cross.