Tahoe OG in Dual Monster Plant System (Scrog Edition)

[lordjin]

Well i dont know if this is really a good subject to speak on ... but ive been wanting to add my 2 on this hydro soil debate for a while now....
I might not be to partial to hydro .. after all im a soil grower and maybe have a soil bias....
But i wont say hydro is better,faster, or danker than soil or vice versa...
I remember when most people called soil grows organic and hydro wasnt ...
Thats before all the organics nutes got big allong with more hydro systems...

You have to ask yourself ...Why have so many growers gone hydro???
The answer is simple...
(Illl admit i am a common sense kind of guy ...Common sense??? how dare me...i get that sometimes...
Altho i do base many of my assumptions on laws of science ... getting to into science will just confuse people)
So enuff about me here it goes....

The reason hydro has taken over s because its easier ....imo
Much more complex, complicated, and expensive yet easier...(doesnt make sense? ...ill explain)...

Hydro is catered toward a much larger scale grows ..
Imagine how long it would take to hand water 20 to 50 plants ... no simply task ....
soil growing takes allot of watering and watching...

So my theory is simply that to grow on a large scale... and oh yes there are many large scale growers, your colletives favorite vendors ....hydro is the way to go .... plus it looks cool..lol

In jins case ..having two plants ... im sure soil wouldnt really hinder his grow ....he has the time.....
But on the other hand ..his box is kinda small...and i just dont see there bein enuff room for two 10 pound gallons of dirt ...
That would probly match the size of his rubbermaid...probly not
So in his case hydro is better .. and he has all kinds of money at his disposal to do so...

I can almost garuntee tho.. that if jin grew in soil...under the same conditions/setup/root space.... the buds would not be that much different...
Hes a great grower ....who puts alot into his small time grows....and u cant say that nutes or hydro made his grow any better...Its really just great grown bud... and to match it ...you would have to go the extra mile like jin has... and need my clones...lol
(jin could grow any crappy clone into dank)

All in all i could be wrong...
does this sound kinda right jin... your the hydro expert...

That's not too different from the idea I've tried to express here on RIU more than once.

I'll accept that. Hydro is a bit more complex to dial in because of all the different elements working at once, but once you have it down... That's what I've been saying. In many important ways it's easier than soil.

 

[Robert4budz]

I'm an old soil-er turned Hydro (Thanks to Jin) .. and my 2cents is Hydro is faster in veg for SURE .. also .. cloning is easier as the stalks always have enough water. In soil .. I had to take cuttings 2-4 hrs after a watering .. Hydro .. doesn't matter. I haven't even had yellowing, limpness, or shock issues. Soil gives you more time to make changes and remedy problems (although bugs are more of an issue with soil) .. whereas Hydro is touchy (PH, Nute lock, slimes, algae's, water temps, gowing media, etc) and can go wrong in a hurry.

Don't know bout yeild or flavor yet (Hey Cheezy .. can I be an apprentice clipper ?) .. but hope'n Cheezy Bud Agent extrodinair will help me with that as a taste test between his OG and Jin's OG .. from an INDEPENDANT tester .. should put that arguement to rest. I'm here for ya Jin .. just say the word ! LoL

 

[323cheezy]

I could go on for hours on the hydro debate ... but it would take too much time ...
however ...i feel its simple to just say what i said ... cause thats the real advantage ...its easier for commercial grows..
The green era has become so high tech ... that eventually we will have hydro systems that will practically grow themselves with litte maintanance ... nuff said....

Robert.... i would definately throw u a test bud no doubt... i always give so many samples (about 1/5 of my harvest)...but you will have to wait in line....lol
Unfortunately this grow was doomed from the start ... and i wouldnt consider it my best ...not even close....
But hey ill be high and thats enuff to keep me happy ....
Ill let u and jin be the judge if all works out...

 

[hatsofftoya]

Hey, what's right for me isn't necessarily what's right for everyone else. I'm not preaching you should do the same. Stick to your familar techniques that have given you success.

Oh I forgot to ask... Do you mess with stuff like AN tarantula, voodoo juice, b52, iguana juice, rhino skin or anything else like calmag or microbes?

 

[ejbarraza]

I was reading up on your old Diablo grow and wanted to know why you never tried LED's. I think that you should give them a try. I have done a lot of research and LightHouse Hydro is the most affordable LED lights that will work. But, if you can afford it I'd suggest you go with Advance LED Lights. You should check out there Diamond Series. Not to mention they have a 90-day risk free guarantee with no questions asked. That's how you know they are a good company. I also changed from GH to Advance Nutrients and it's a world of difference. I believe that if you switched to LEDs it would be the equivalent of when you changed to AN nutes. I think you should check this out.
http://www.advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/new-diamond-series-leds-extreme-3w-led-technology/

 

[lordjin]

Well I tell ya what. I just took one hit of this here Herojuana... and I'm, well, I think I kind of, y'know,...

Edit:
Oh, shit. Herojuana comin' round the corner by my eyebrow, over my temple, and straight to my brain... Fuck...

 

[lordjin]

I'm an old soil-er turned Hydro (Thanks to Jin) .. and my 2cents is Hydro is faster in veg for SURE .. also .. cloning is easier as the stalks always have enough water. In soil .. I had to take cuttings 2-4 hrs after a watering .. Hydro .. doesn't matter. I haven't even had yellowing, limpness, or shock issues. Soil gives you more time to make changes and remedy problems (although bugs are more of an issue with soil) .. whereas Hydro is touchy (PH, Nute lock, slimes, algae's, water temps, gowing media, etc) and can go wrong in a hurry.

Don't know bout yeild or flavor yet (Hey Cheezy .. can I be an apprentice clipper ?) .. but hope'n Cheezy Bud Agent extrodinair will help me with that as a taste test between his OG and Jin's OG .. from an INDEPENDANT tester .. should put that arguement to rest. I'm here for ya Jin .. just say the word ! LoL

I could go on for hours on the hydro debate ... but it would take too much time ...
however ...i feel its simple to just say what i said ... cause thats the real advantage ...its easier for commercial grows..
The green era has become so high tech ... that eventually we will have hydro systems that will practically grow themselves with litte maintanance ... nuff said....

Robert.... i would definately throw u a test bud no doubt... i always give so many samples (about 1/5 of my harvest)...but you will have to wait in line....lol
Unfortunately this grow was doomed from the start ... and i wouldnt consider it my best ...not even close....
But hey ill be high and thats enuff to keep me happy ....
Ill let u and jin be the judge if all works out...

Yeah, the soil / hydro argument... I'm so over it. Let's just get high.

Oh I forgot to ask... Do you mess with stuff like AN tarantula, voodoo juice, b52, iguana juice, rhino skin or anything else like calmag or microbes?

Oh, man. When I was still scouting nutes before setting up, I saw that complete list of AN additives. No way. That shit made my head spin. So I just kept it simple. Just base plus Kushie Kush in flower. I experimented with some AN organic products in veg, but yuck-o.

I was reading up on your old Diablo grow and wanted to know why you never tried LED's. I think that you should give them a try. I have done a lot of research and LightHouse Hydro is the most affordable LED lights that will work. But, if you can afford it I'd suggest you go with Advance LED Lights. You should check out there Diamond Series. Not to mention they have a 90-day risk free guarantee with no questions asked. That's how you know they are a good company. I also changed from GH to Advance Nutrients and it's a world of difference. I believe that if you switched to LEDs it would be the equivalent of when you changed to AN nutes. I think you should check this out.
http://www.advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/new-diamond-series-leds-extreme-3w-led-technology/

Dude, I'm pretty hip to that technology already from following the journals of this guy Sleezy1. I'm pretty sure it'll give me the heat reduction I want, and I know growth is comparable to hid. I just wonder what would be cheaper? The LED rig I need or a water-cooled hid tube?

 

[hatsofftoya]

Oh yeah I'm just asking cause I vaguely remember seeing some RIU grower maybe you using like budblood or some other shit.

Also does your setup with chiller keep you from using like hygrozyme or aquashield?

 

[lordjin]

Oh yeah I'm just asking cause I vaguely remember seeing some RIU grower maybe you using like budblood or some other shit.

Also does your setup with chiller keep you from using like hygrozyme or aquashield?

Yeah. I ran hygrozyme but it did nothing but muck up my res. My robust aeration/circulation system doesn't need assistance from 'bennies.'

 

[lordjin]

Hey, look. I talk shit about the weed in the UK, but the music? Excellent. Richard Hawley, former Pulp guitarist. Amazing talent. Here are two versions of the same great song. [video=youtube;ChcYmkTAFAY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChcYmkTAFAY[/video]

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[NoSwag]

Looking so banging jin!

Also is that Herojuana a different strain to sannies Herijunana? or a typo?

 

[lordjin]

Looking so banging jin!

Also is that Herojuana a different strain to sannies Herijunana? or a typo?

Oh, man, you're like blowin' my mind with the OG lingo.

 

[NoSwag]

Breaking brains, one brain at a time.

We should smoke in january when my harvest is done aha

 

[lordjin]

So let the challenge begin. The Tahoe of a reputable LA shop.

Now granted, I missed the fresh shipment and had to settle for the leftovers, but these little nuggets pack a major blow to the head.

It's a very good Tahoe with a pure OG smell and taste with just a hint of citrus... maybe imagining it, though. Good shit, but this stuff is still my Tahoe's bitch.

 

[NoSwag]

Isnt it amazing when you figure out you grow better weed than supplied to the clinic?

 

[Robert4budz]

Hey Jin .. how much do you smoke in a week ? .. You must have a whole cupboard full of those little jars ! LoL

How much water/ nute mix do you put in that 45 gal rez ? I'm run'n 10gal in my 20gal containers .. and some of the long root ropes are brown in the middle. Shop gal said it's too much exposure to air .. but I'm run'n the same pump, air pump, and spray manifold you do .. Only thing diff is I'm not run'n a chiller.

 

[lordjin]

Isnt it amazing when you figure out you grow better weed than supplied to the clinic?

Yeah, I talk a lot of shit, though. Clubs around here have legit meds. I mean, I smoke it... but only when I have to. But when I grow shit that's better than the best they got, I know I've done a primo micro grow that's superior to the larger scale med suppliers. Woop!

Breaking brains, one brain at a time.

We should smoke in january when my harvest is done aha

Yes, my brain is broken.

Hey Jin .. how much do you smoke in a week ? .. You must have a whole cupboard full of those little jars ! LoL

How much water/ nute mix do you put in that 45 gal rez ? I'm run'n 10gal in my 20gal containers .. and some of the long root ropes are brown in the middle. Shop gal said it's too much exposure to air .. but I'm run'n the same pump, air pump, and spray manifold you do .. Only thing diff is I'm not run'n a chiller.

Let's put it this way, I think I have enough jars to make a little World Trade Center memorial in my room.

She's right. The exposure to air in a low pressure system makes them prone to browning in the root hang. Don't be alarmed. It's not slime. I only have ten gallons of water in the 45 gallon tub, so you can imagine the free hang space I have. That's where the rapid growth comes from. It's faster than normal DWC.

Edit:
Oh, and yeah. Colder fluid minimizes the browning.

 

[Robert4budz]

Can you post a shot of your roots after you harvest ? I got the 20 gal containers cause you said the taller the better for the 'air' ... but got freaked by the 'brown' on roots .. knee jerked .. did the 3% hydrogen dip .. killed all bennies .. then DID develop brown slime that I had to do Heisenberg tea on.

A bit bummed cause I put so much time, effort and $$$ into set up and all the 'big' NL turned into dudes ! Now my only two girlz are gonna have to be mothers to have kids.

You make it look soooo easy ! Oh .. what's the temp the chiller keeps rez at ?

 

[lordjin]

Can you post a shot of your roots after you harvest ? I got the 20 gal containers cause you said the taller the better for the 'air' ... but got freaked by the 'brown' on roots .. knee jerked .. did the 3% hydrogen dip .. killed all bennies .. then DID develop brown slime that I had to do Heisenberg tea on.

A bit bummed cause I put so much time, effort and $$$ into set up and all the 'big' NL turned into dudes ! Now my only two girlz are gonna have to be mothers to have kids.

You make it look soooo easy ! Oh .. what's the temp the chiller keeps rez at ?

I'm sorry for making it look easy, Robert. I've fucked up lots to arrive at this process, and it still requires my careful attention.

My res temp stays at median 68f.

It's hard for me to get my camera in there, but let me tell you my roots have plenty of brown on them. I haven't touched them because I know it isn't slime. My methods are a bit quirky and of my own design, so what would normally freak out more conventionally minded growers, I see as normal. That's why I tend to get into arguments with other members regarding brown roots and h202 usage. I keep forgetting just how 'special' I am. Lol.

Just observe and improve. You'll get it. Install a neoprene gasket lining to those lids with silicone. It'll help keep the water from the sprayers in... overall grow area cleaner. Get the nautical grade neoprene. Once you glue it into the edge of your lid, it'll last forever.

 

[Robert4budz]

Equitorial regions are not rez temp friendly!! Not only are you an amazing photographer (another small hobby we have in common - Cannon A-1 old skool film) .. but you're SUPER cool with the Tips ! Mad Respect Man !

I'm stoked on ur new venture into FemCult too! Great platform that is gonna cross 'polinate' diverse groups .. I'm gonna turn my 'boyz' loose in the wild to 'polinate' something .. I just can't bring myself to 'kill' um ! LoL