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[Maccabee]

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[Al B. Fuct]

If there is something I should change on my comp let me know.

No, you just need to change the way you're using the friggin' thing!

I believe what you might have done was saved the link to the HTG web page as a bookmark and then pasted that bookmark into your RIU message.

Instead, copy the URL of the link you want to include (right-click the link, select 'copy link location') and paste that into your message.

A bookmark file on your local HDD is useful only on your machine, as Mac has said.

If the URL you paste into a msg doesn't begin with "http://" then it won't be usable by anyone else.

 

[LoudBlunts]

Sure, if you like, but yellowing lower leaves are spent and can be removed without fear.

I've always been of the (completely unsubstantiable) opinion that fan leaves attached to the mainstem are mainly supporting the construction of the mainstem and once the finishing height is attained (by wk 4 in a SoG), they are not doing much. I let them be for the most part but remove obviously spent fans.

If you're up for some experimentation, you can always try removing all fans from several plants and letting them be on some others. Important to have a greater sample quantity than 1 per method being compared when doing stuff like this.

oh no, i blv you.

im just planning on putting like 4.5 plants per square ft. i know it doesnt make sense....but since i dont have exactly 4 feet to work with (just shy of 4 ft) i kinda just made something up...i knew i was going to be putting more than 4 per foot. but not that much!

i just want to make sure i can trim trim trim if i need to. meaning if the fan leaf is still green and its laying on another plant or blocking airflow, im snipping or cutting in half.

think im in the clear aye?

 

[Al B. Fuct]

i just want to make sure i can trim trim trim if i need to. meaning if the fan leaf is still green and its laying on another plant or blocking airflow, im snipping or cutting in half.

think im in the clear aye?

Yes, but I think I'd probably not go overboard pulling fans off before they are about 4-6wks into flower. Defoliation while they are still gaining height will probably stunt them.

 

[LoudBlunts]

pulling off the whole fan vs cutting a fan in half.

any difference? same amount of stress? or less cutting in half?

i guess half solar panel is better than no solar panel?

 

[stickyicky77]

pulling off the whole fan vs cutting a fan in half.

any difference? same amount of stress? or less cutting in half?

i guess half solar panel is better than no solar panel?

When cloning you can cut the fan leaves in 1/2 to lower transpiration and keep them from overlapping. Over lapping leaves can foster fungus which can get trapped in between the leaves. Just keep your medium evenly moist to prevent the cut leaves from bleeding out sugars that can attract disease.

 

[LoudBlunts]

thanks sticky..... i already know that....


but that wasnt my question

 

[Maccabee]

Over lapping leaves can foster fungus which can get trapped in between the leaves. ....When cloning you can cut the fan leaves in 1/2 to lower transpiration and keep them from overlapping.

Think that'd work on my toes?

I've got a related question. I have some plants I've LST'd pretty aggressively so I can get a fair number of clones and start a rotation as described in Al's base system. The training was very successful-- the plants have a ton of new branching growth tips, but they are kind of crowding each other and they are all shaded by the slightly older (and so larger) fan leaves growing from the same internodes.

The new growth looks like it might be shaded just enough to be yellowing ever so slightly, which makes me nervous.

I figure I should still leave the fans, eh? The plants aren't that big and probably needs them, the newer growth will regain its vigor once it grows upwards a little. Does that sound right?

 

[stickyicky77]

thanks sticky..... i already know that....


but that wasnt my question

I guess i misunderstood you. I personally don't think that it will stunt or stress the plant that much knowing that you can cut the leaves in 1/2 for starting clones and it doesn't seem to stress new clones much. I think that cutting the fan leaves in 1/2 would be better than removing them totally. JC says not to remove large fan leaves unless they have 50% or more damage to them. I would think some solar panel would be better than no solar panel but i am no expert.

 

[bigal10]

No, you just need to change the way you're using the friggin' thing!

I believe what you might have done was saved the link to the HTG web page as a bookmark and then pasted that bookmark into your RIU message.

Instead, copy the URL of the link you want to include (right-click the link, select 'copy link location') and paste that into your message.

A bookmark file on your local HDD is useful only on your machine, as Mac has said.

If the URL you paste into a msg doesn't begin with "http://" then it won't be usable by anyone else.

lol thats exactly what I did Al. My bad!

 

[bigal10]

Al, what do you do in the case of an electrical shut down for whatever reason . What are the dangers that can occur? What safety measures do you think someone should consider if that were to happen.

 

[cluch]

thinking on trying your method and was wondering if you would answer sum questions?
why did u use mh over the four trays and hps over mums? i've heard opposite..
the thousand watters are they set to one cycle forever....
and do your plants sit in your grow room side by side at four stages of growth"stair stepping"..pretty much 2 rooms, mumsnclones//the four trays ,thanks

 

[bigal10]

you got it all mixed up he only uses hps for both mothers and the rest of the plants. I suggest reading page one and the rest of the thread you will find all your answers.

 

[bigal10]

no doubt it changes from 1 to 108.. just noticed......... great...

no problem enjoy!

 

[cluch]

excuse me for typing an i have read sum not all the 108 pages and other forums as well also have been growing out side for years and been smoking for decades shut up nerd
usually revisions will be made to the original draft before publication.. no dis respect to the author ..... vote yes to end marijuana prohibition ...
also big al10 is a nerd who types when not typed to............

 

[Al B. Fuct]

pulling off the whole fan vs cutting a fan in half.

any difference? same amount of stress? or less cutting in half?

i guess half solar panel is better than no solar panel?

That's about the size of it. Leave them intact if they remain in good condition, for as long as possible. You do want to keep your 'solar panels' as much as you can.

When cloning you can cut the fan leaves in 1/2 to lower transpiration and keep them from overlapping. Over lapping leaves can foster fungus which can get trapped in between the leaves.

Here's an instance where I would most definitely NOT disturb fan leaves. The fans are definitely needed for a small clone to grow vegetatively, to gain height etc. Cutting leaves on clones in half is straight outta Uncle Bob's 1972 Yippie Underground grow book. Don't do it. You WILL stunt your plants.

Just keep your medium evenly moist to prevent the cut leaves from bleeding out sugars that can attract disease.

Pardon me, but where on god's green earth did this wacky notion come from?

If you damage a plant's leaves or stems, sap will quickly dry on the injury site to seal the wound.

I can't see the evenness of watering of media as having any effect aside from wetting all the roots evenly...

I figure I should still leave the fans, eh? The plants aren't that big and probably needs them, the newer growth will regain its vigor once it grows upwards a little. Does that sound right?

If you see lower leaves on your mums yellowing, try to relocate foliage above them to increase light to the lowers. Do leave the fans if you can. Wouldn't let it scare you too much unless the yellowing is progressing up the plant and it starts to drop a lot of lower leaves. Would go looking for rootzone or watering probs if this were so.

However, a clone really only needs a couple of fully intact leaves to get going. See the link in my sig to the photoessay about cloning to get an idea of how much foliage a clone should start out with.

 

[Al B. Fuct]

Al, what do you do in the case of an electrical shut down for whatever reason .

Light some candles.

What are the dangers that can occur?

Wax dripped all over the place, big nasty fire.

What safety measures do you think someone should consider if that were to happen.

Keep a fire extinguisher handy. Remove candle wax drips from clothing etc with hot tap water.

Seriously, a flood system with plants in pots is really quite resistant to power failures. If lights are not running, the plants won't need to be watered.

What I fear most about power outages are ones that that last more than about 6 hours- can cause my mums to begin flowering.

DWC users are the ones in the poo when power is cut for extended periods. Lack of a continuous air supply will drown roots.

thinking on trying your method and was wondering if you would answer sum questions?
why did u use mh over the four trays and hps over mums? i've heard opposite..

I don't now nor have I ever used MH for flowering. You've misread something along the line.

the thousand watters are they set to one cycle forever....

The two 1000HPS lights in the flowering area each have their own timer and do run approximately the same 12/12 cycles, but one light starts about 2-3 mins after the other. HPS lighting draws a lot of current while starting and while the lamp is warming up. Staggering the start times reduces the max load on my wiring.

and do your plants sit in your grow room side by side at four stages of growth"stair stepping"..pretty much 2 rooms, mumsnclones//the four trays

Yep, that's right.

excuse me for typing an i have read sum not all the 108 pages

And why the hell not? There's some useful stuff in there.

shut up nerd
[...]
also big al10 is a nerd who types when not typed to............

You don't have any right to direct traffic around who has the right to speak and who does not.

Don't be disrespectful to others in this thread- I just might start ignoring you.

If you have a problem with someone's data, by all means, support your contention with evidence- but don't attack the person.

I'm the nerdiest fuck in this thread, BTW.

 

[stickyicky77]

That's about the size of it. Leave them intact if they remain in good condition, for as long as possible. You do want to keep your 'solar panels' as much as you can.



Here's an instance where I would most definitely NOT disturb fan leaves. The fans are definitely needed for a small clone to grow vegetatively, to gain height etc. Cutting leaves on clones in half is straight outta Uncle Bob's 1972 Yippie Underground grow book. Don't do it. You WILL stunt your plants.



Pardon me, but where on god's green earth did this wacky notion come from?

If you damage a plant's leaves or stems, sap will quickly dry on the injury site to seal the wound.

I can't see the evenness of watering of media as having any effect aside from wetting all the roots evenly...



If you see lower leaves on your mums yellowing, try to relocate foliage above them to increase light to the lowers. Do leave the fans if you can. Wouldn't let it scare you too much unless the yellowing is progressing up the plant and it starts to drop a lot of lower leaves. Would go looking for rootzone or watering probs if this were so.

However, a clone really only needs a couple of fully intact leaves to get going. See the link in my sig to the photoessay about cloning to get an idea of how much foliage a clone should start out with.

I have been reading up on cloning in my Jorge Cervantes 2008 grow bible in the cloning section, since i am almost at that point in my grow. That's where i got the info on cutting the fan leaves and keeping the medium evenly moist to prevent cut leaves from bleeding out sugars. It made since but i guess JC is wrong on that one.

 

[Al B. Fuct]

JC just needs to weed out some old stuff. Most cannabis cultivation is indoors these days- ppl keep mother plants just for cuttings rather than taking cuttings from the lower branches of a plant that will later be flowered outdoors.

Cuttings taken from lower branches will be very thin stemmed and will have a hard time taking up water through the stem cut. That's about the only justification for going to the extreme of cutting the leaf blades in half.

The 'medium evenly moist to prevent cut leaves from bleeding out sugars' thing is just nuts.

I'd like to know what the fuck he was smoking... and maybe I could get a few cuttings.

 

[Enigma]

Just a quick question, what do you use to measure pH and PPM?

I'm tired of the litmus paper and guessing.

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