First grow:4wks and yellowing leaves :( please guide me

Brokerj said:
Being the more serious of the two I thought I would leave the transplant for a few days just to give the guano a trial and error ?
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Adding more nutes(you cant reverse) at a young age is more serious than checking your soil and roots ? oh lord i give up, good luck:)
 
I bet you don't even need the Guano mate, you start feeding them regularly with Canna a+b and you should see a difference in a week.

Remember don't go crazy on the nutes trying to make up for it as it will make things worse. Just start feeding them gently and gradually up your dose as the plant responds and grows bigger. Don't lose heart, you should have seen some of mine when i first started,lol.

Will definitely keep an eye out, am intrigued myself now. Good luck.
 
Clonex I am here merely to learn, I expect to make mistakes thats why I'm here asking for help, if I have said something wrong it was through question not directly.... I think that the majority opinion from the threads I have written is that it could quite likely be a nitrogen deficiency. It makes sense because I don't nute a lot so all I said was that I would let it flush which I appreciate doing was a mistake... Give it some guano tea which will tell me if it's nitrogen or not, if it's not I will move on to what you had suggested which was to transport from one to another and start fresh, as a newbie it is clearly daunting doing that so I am understandably hoping the guano fixes it.

Sensi, let's hope this nitrogen burst works!! I'll put a cup in with the bucket and see what it's like over the next couple of days then start to use canna a and b :).

Peace and love
 
i do not intend to type advice that is not read, go add your Bat guano and your canna A+b compound to your young plant , i wont say i told you so.
 
I read all of your posts and thanked you for each one individually... I am not confident enough to do that as a first option as I might damage it further. I think nitrogen is without doubt a potential reason for it's colour, I will find out in less than 4days if it was right, if not... I will have to buy a different pot and do a transfer. Please don't jinx me, it's already bad enough
 
A seedling that young survives from the nutrients supplied in its shell , this is a known fact, ok ,
yours is 4 weeks old , it is not yet capable of letting you no it needs nitrogen,
you have fed it already,
the plant is turning light green telling you its ill,
i have told you already that the same symptoms can point to different issues,
i dont want thanks for the replies i have left you,
i just wish they were not ignored,
hope it works out.

Ps , you would not need a new pot or new coco , you can take out the plant , shake off the roots , check them , add your bat guano and some perlite to help aireate your coco, put the mix back into the pot and replant, no damage will be caused , lift the pot and remember the weight unwatered, water the plant , do not water again until plant is light to lift before you watered , This will work , over nuting will cause you more issues.
 
What you have just said is exactly what I should be doing. I am going to my local hydro store tomorrow so I will buy guano and perlite, I don't know what it is but have heard of it so how much of this and guano would you suggest I use in the coco mix? And what exactly am I looking for in the roots, I assume if they are White they are ok... If they have rot or some discolouring what would be the correct thing to do whilst it's out of the coco? Your humble apprentice, Joe.
 
Brokerj said:
What you have just said is exactly what I should be doing. I am going to my local hydro store tomorrow so I will buy guano and perlite, I don't know what it is but have heard of it so how much of this and guano would you suggest I use in the coco mix? And what exactly am I looking for in the roots, I assume if they are White they are ok... If they have rot or some discolouring what would be the correct thing to do whilst it's out of the coco? Your humble apprentice, Joe.
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Ok Bat guano is Bat pooh pretty much , with soil grows like yours it is advised that you lay a small bed of it at the bottom of your pot and then place the coco / perlite mix over the top , your roots will search down and use the Bat guano , perlite is actually small particles of rock that has been baked at a really high temp , it is ph neutral and is great at aireating your soil and also helps prevent over watering , i have a very good idea that this will solve your problem , and if it does not and you want to add more nutes after , then you can , but i advice a 1/4 strength that is advised on the bottle , this is the way you should go , your roots should be white and nice and thick and lively looking , if they are a tanned colour and clustering in 1 place , then the steps you are taking will help.. breaking it down you want 10% bat guano , 30% perlite 60% coco. A drop of rhizotonic which i believe you already have will help, i mean a drop, thats strong stuff, use a syringe to measure always.
 
You are mate, here's a good feeding schedule for coco.

Hey everyone
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Over the last year or so alot of people have sent me pm's and asked in the threads the schedule I feed my plants at and exactly what I do so I thought I post this super simple method up for those that want to try it or may wanna switch to coco in the future . First I do feed sooner then most people do and that part is kinda up to you because it can be risky but I do it because it works for me and may not be right for everyone . Ok so when the plants pop out of the coco and need the first watering I water with plain R/O water at a ph of 5.8 to 6.0 and my two watering's after I do the same ph but add 1ml of Canna A+B per gallon and water until runoff and every third watering is plain R/O water at the same ph to runoff to keep salts from building up . Now we should be around our second week and this is when we go up to 2ml per gallon of A+B with the same ph until runoff and do this for two waterings in a row and then the third one with plain R/O water with the same ph until Runoff . Now we should be at the end of week two and this is when we bump up to 5 ml of A+B per gallon and things really start to take off and at this point everything should have a deep green look to it and you may start to notice a slight mag def and when this happens I start with a very low dose of Cal-Mag say around 2 to 3 ml per gallon and within a few dayz things start to turn around but I've only ran into this once or twice depending on the strain but sometimes it takes a bit more Cal-Mag but I always say start low and work your way up to stay safe .Coming into week four I try to max out at 7 to 10 ml of A+B and more of the 7 ml range and never go higher then 10ml per gallon through my whole grow . I also know some of you use Rhizotonic and Cannazyme and when I use these I go at 50% of what Canna recommends and always remember that every third watering is with plain R/o water with a ph of 5.8 to 6.o until runoff so we can keep them salts from building up . I hope this helps and like I said I keep it simple and try to make my grows from seed so just about anyone can get the genetics I grow and have the same results I have . The main thing is to learn to read your plants over time and soon they will tell you what they like and dislike kinda like your children .

You can't grow a seedling in coco without food for 4 weeks. You may get away with it in soil, but coco as no nutrients at all, only the ones you supply.

Your plant is stressed out, re potting is just adding more stress. I bet your head is spinning,lol. Well the choice is yours, i just hope whatever you decide, it all works out for you.
 
30% perlite ok we will give it s go. I like the idea of the guano at the bottom.... It let's all the nitrogen up I suppose? I'm still not keen on the idea of eventually smoking something partially fed on poo but there you go, it has to be done I suppose. :)

I never use even half the dosage recommended anyway but I will keep it low I promise. This isngood, at least I'm getting somewhere, if the roots are clustered I guess I'll just separate them as good as I can without touching them too much. And then I guess I'll just put it down with the roots laid flat? or shall I try and separate them and spread whilst I re pot? Thanks again for all of your help... This is a good step forward for me, I hope my girls cheer up a bit :)
 
Wow, exactly the same nutrients as what I have. Arghghghghgh what a headache... Absolute nightmare, I think what I will do is burn the tent down to the ground and stompcon it nt, the whole memory has disappeared? Lol. I dunno what I'm gonna do. But guano and perlite in the coco does sound good! However, that schedule is talking aout my exact set up.... Therefore i am in a predicament !
 
sensiblue said:
You are mate, here's a good feeding schedule for coco.

Hey everyone
emoticon-0142-happy.gif
Over the last year or so alot of people have sent me pm's and asked in the threads the schedule I feed my plants at and exactly what I do so I thought I post this super simple method up for those that want to try it or may wanna switch to coco in the future . First I do feed sooner then most people do and that part is kinda up to you because it can be risky but I do it because it works for me and may not be right for everyone . Ok so when the plants pop out of the coco and need the first watering I water with plain R/O water at a ph of 5.8 to 6.0 and my two watering's after I do the same ph but add 1ml of Canna A+B per gallon and water until runoff and every third watering is plain R/O water at the same ph to runoff to keep salts from building up . Now we should be around our second week and this is when we go up to 2ml per gallon of A+B with the same ph until runoff and do this for two waterings in a row and then the third one with plain R/O water with the same ph until Runoff . Now we should be at the end of week two and this is when we bump up to 5 ml of A+B per gallon and things really start to take off and at this point everything should have a deep green look to it and you may start to notice a slight mag def and when this happens I start with a very low dose of Cal-Mag say around 2 to 3 ml per gallon and within a few dayz things start to turn around but I've only ran into this once or twice depending on the strain but sometimes it takes a bit more Cal-Mag but I always say start low and work your way up to stay safe .Coming into week four I try to max out at 7 to 10 ml of A+B and more of the 7 ml range and never go higher then 10ml per gallon through my whole grow . I also know some of you use Rhizotonic and Cannazyme and when I use these I go at 50% of what Canna recommends and always remember that every third watering is with plain R/o water with a ph of 5.8 to 6.o until runoff so we can keep them salts from building up . I hope this helps and like I said I keep it simple and try to make my grows from seed so just about anyone can get the genetics I grow and have the same results I have . The main thing is to learn to read your plants over time and soon they will tell you what they like and dislike kinda like your children .

You can't grow a seedling in coco without food for 4 weeks. You may get away with it in soil, but coco as no nutrients at all, only the ones you supply.

Your plant is stressed out, re potting is just adding more stress. I bet your head is spinning,lol. Well the choice is yours, i just hope whatever you decide, it all works out for you.
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I did not say it needed no food for 4 weeks, i said he has already fed it.
 
How are you BrokerJ ?
Been through the whole thread and thought I would drop a few lines.

Please get a EC/PPM meter
Not all bat guano is the same
You have Indonesian, Jamaican, Peruvian and Mexican.
Each one is like a "specialist" in the NPK nute department.
Meaning they each carry more of one of the 3 nutes, than the other 2.
Case in point, Indonesian bat guano is high in Phosphorous vs Nitrogen or Potassium.
Mexican bat guano is the king of Nitrogen when it comes to guano.
Just sprinkle a thin layer on top of your soil and water/feed as usual if your plants need a Nitrogen boost.
Teas are a major plus when you give molasses and beneficial bacteria.
Nitrogen deficiency is often confused for Calcium/Magnesium a lot as well.
Not one person stated that fact either.

Also, did you rinse your coco VERY WELL ?
It will cause major probs and PH swings if you don't/didn't.
I would also cut it with perlite for more air flow.

Last but not least, get a Motorola Xoom like me.
Spec for spec it's the IPad on the inside but better elswhere. lol
Ppl will argue but the specs don't lie !
I'm done giving you a hard time about the tabs now, just wanted to lighten the subject a little.
 
If most of the soil is kept around the root mass , no stress or stunting will be caused at all. Adding extra nutes can be done after if it does not solve the issue with nothing lost, i dont see what the big flap is about.
 
Hi flo glow! Wow, such a great website.. Lots of helping hands. I have been told to get a ppm meter but I thought that if I keep the nutes small it won't be too bad without it ?? Am I wrong, I have heard of point per million but nothing detailed. And than you for the guano tip... I guess Mexican is the best poo around, I will definately get that tomorrow... Here's hoping they sell ranges of different poo?? Lol. I guess you are of the opinion that re housing isn't the best option... Although I guess it's worth a check? hmmmm.... I really hope I can fix this guys, being able to smoke the vanilla kush that grew 6feet away from my bed would be very satisfying :) hmmm.. So what is the conclusional opinions of what I do with my girls tomorrow as they are now fast asleep with a small fan to help them dance a bit :)
 
Sensi, it's says I need to log in so I can't read that chart :( I am waiting on conclusions and then am off to bed ready to start my journey tomorrow. No work for 2more weeks so lots of attention time is needed : )
 
Brokerj said:
Hi flo glow! Wow, such a great website.. Lots of helping hands. I have been told to get a ppm meter but I thought that if I keep the nutes small it won't be too bad without it ?? Am I wrong, I have heard of point per million but nothing detailed. And than you for the guano tip... I guess Mexican is the best poo around, I will definately get that tomorrow... Here's hoping they sell ranges of different poo?? Lol. I guess you are of the opinion that re housing isn't the best option... Although I guess it's worth a check? hmmmm.... I really hope I can fix this guys, being able to smoke the vanilla kush that grew 6feet away from my bed would be very satisfying :) hmmm.. So what is the conclusional opinions of what I do with my girls tomorrow as they are now fast asleep with a small fan to help them dance a bit :)
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read what he said , flush your coco , cut it with perlite , i didnt realise different bat pooh had quality's i guess mexican bats eat taco's lol , learn summit new everyday haha
 
If your root ball/mass isn't "screaming" for a transplant, I'd leave them until they bounce back.
Transplant adds shock, NO MATTER HOW HEALTHY, and will only compound your matters worse.
What size pots are they in, 4 inch ?
PPM is a North America thing and EC is an European/Australian thing.
Neither is better or worse, but instead a matter of personal preference on what you'd like to read.
Think inches vs centimeters or feet vs meters.
Checking is easy.
Just knock all 4 side of the pot gently with your knuckles, and left gently/slowly by the main stem.
They should slide right out.
Then replace.
The small fan is needed too, but not directly on them.
The gentle breeze will create strong main stems to hold all that bud you're gonna harvest by Spring !
 
Lol. I did read, and I will definitely be grabbing some perlite and some Mexican poo tomorrow :) I think it will be a long job doing it on all four,one or two for now is absolutely fine anyway it just doesn't grow fast as the others.

I chose to ignore the motorola tablet comment for no other reason than the fact that the only reason they buy an alternative tablet to the ipad2 is that they did not have the cash available...to buy an ipad2 ;) :)
 
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