ron paul hemp legalization
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BlazedMonkey
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Yah he supports industrial hemp (why the hell wouldn't you unless you're in bed with special interest groups ? ) ^^ like he said it would be primarily a big commercial crop not something you or i would grow in our closet. But he also supports the legalization of drugs in general.
However i wouldn't vote for him because of his other policies. :/
However i wouldn't vote for him because of his other policies. :/
Dan Kone
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Agreed. The politics forum is pretty much a dedicated Ron Paul section at this point, we don't need it to spill over everywhere.
And I read and enjoy your news feed when you post it.
HonestJim
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It is a little frustrating that everyone jumps on the Ron Paul bandwagon solely based on his stance regarding Marijuana. I want it legal BAD !!! But I'm not willing to vote for a crazy old conservative to get it done. Gay rights, women's right to choose, and our foreign policies are also important. I do like that he wants to return power to the states but how about the fact that he wants to eradicate the department of education and the EPA ? No reason to sell out on everything else for weed.
Jogro
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Ron Paul hemp = pipe dream.
Paul is 76 years old. After he is soundly trounced in this years Republican Presidential primary cycle (and I have zero doubt that he will be) he'll slink back into his rat-hole in Texas, never to run for POTUS again. The big Ron Paul question is whether or not he's going to choose to run as a third-party "spoiler" this election cycle when (not if) he loses the Republican nomination. I doubt it, but we'll see.
If you're looking for Federal-level executive action on MMJ (and I'd argue that's the wrong place to look) you sure aren't going to get it from the Obama administration. I doubt you're going to get it from a putative Romney administration either.
If you want reform of Federal marijuana laws, that has to come on a Congressional level, since they write the laws. I don't see how any such proposal can be viable as a Federal Congressional majority until/unless its viable in a majority of voting States first.
In other words, Senator Moron from the great state of North Bumblestan isn't going to support Federal marijuana reform, until at the very least there is some kind of reform in his own home state first.
So, before there can be Federal level MJ reform, there is going to have to be at LEAST another 5-10 states flipping to an MMJ model first.
Once MMJ is really normalized in a significant plurality of States (if not an outright majority), then the time would be right for reform at a Federal level.
Paul is 76 years old. After he is soundly trounced in this years Republican Presidential primary cycle (and I have zero doubt that he will be) he'll slink back into his rat-hole in Texas, never to run for POTUS again. The big Ron Paul question is whether or not he's going to choose to run as a third-party "spoiler" this election cycle when (not if) he loses the Republican nomination. I doubt it, but we'll see.
If you're looking for Federal-level executive action on MMJ (and I'd argue that's the wrong place to look) you sure aren't going to get it from the Obama administration. I doubt you're going to get it from a putative Romney administration either.
If you want reform of Federal marijuana laws, that has to come on a Congressional level, since they write the laws. I don't see how any such proposal can be viable as a Federal Congressional majority until/unless its viable in a majority of voting States first.
In other words, Senator Moron from the great state of North Bumblestan isn't going to support Federal marijuana reform, until at the very least there is some kind of reform in his own home state first.
So, before there can be Federal level MJ reform, there is going to have to be at LEAST another 5-10 states flipping to an MMJ model first.
Once MMJ is really normalized in a significant plurality of States (if not an outright majority), then the time would be right for reform at a Federal level.
Jogro
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IMO, closing the Dept of Ed and EPA would be a nice start.
The Dept of Ed is a remnant from the Carter administration. It collects tax money, chews through it in typical inefficient Federal fashion, then gives some back to the States.
End result is less money in State hands, less control in State hands (remember all education is local) and no improvement in education.
Bluntly, what has the Dept of Ed actually accomplished in the last 30 years to justify its continuous sucking at the public trough?
I'm not even going to get into the EPA, which has just determined that carbon dioxide. . .yes the very AIR YOU EXHALE is a POLLUTANT.
That's the Obama administration version of the "original sin". . .if you're alive, you're a pollutant.
Anyway, I've got several other beefs with Paul, chief amongst them his absolutely lunatic isolationist foreign policy stance.
I'm sure Iran and Russia would, if such a thing were possible, be more even more thrilled with President Paul than they currently are with President Obama.
Next is an absolutely lousy track record as House member. . .in 20 years in the House, he's accomplished virtually zero.
And of course, the fact, that he's politically affiliated with every lunatic fringe political group from the truthers to the Birchers, IMO is plenty reason not to vote for the guy.
fattyboombatty1
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Making Hemp legal and making MMJ legal in my eyes are 2 totally different ideas and theories. Hemp is already produced in mass within our country but only to permitted companies. This isn't something I've read, yet something that I've hauled on my truck before, plenty of times actually. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not hauling 45,000lbs of Hemp bails but its used within more products then you could even imagine.
On the legal part, I honestly don't want MMJ to be "legal"!!!!! I feel it needs to be decriminalized for patients that choose to utilize it. I STRONGLY believe and preach that legalizing it would cause more injustice then it already does. You would provide reason and cause for an up rising on drug cartels and major businesses on the black market (if you choose to believe such a thought)!
If I get raided and the feds find, lets just say 10 plants for SH*ts n giggles, then how many man hrs have been wasted on my sorry self? However if the feds raid a house that contains 100+ plants, then common sense tells ya its not for personal use. Same goes in a car, if you get stopped and have an ounce or less on your person in something OTHER then a freakin baggie, and your a patient, what harm is that, PROVIDING that your not obviously too messed up to drive? If that same car was to be pulled over and had the gas tank and fenders packed full of bricks, then yes, I do believe you should be shipping those fellers off to jail for a bit.
As far as Ron Paul, he's good and bad, just like every other politician out there. I love how people get all excited to back one person like they have no demons. If you think our country has produced completely honest people, then maybe its time you relocated somewhere else. There will always be good and bad, and there will always be good/bad intentions, however, how do you justify the difference in support? Thats right, you as the American get to decide that for yourself.
I personally live in Ron Paul's district and I won't sugar coat nothing!!!!! It's a sh*t hole and I'm not ashamed to say it. Other then the tourism that we see and the "government" part of town, they have done nothing to bring us back after the Hurricane (the most recent one). Do I agree with how that is, no, but I still choose to live there w/o bitching about it. Even those I say its a sh*thole, its my home and I love telling people where I live. If the day comes that I'm ashamed of that, then I will make the choice to relocate somewheres else, until then, I try to do my part and thats, that!
Hopefully I won't cause an uproar with this post, but I think people tend to over look alot of details when they focus on one good or bad view of something! I have travel in every state this country has to offer and traveled to the richest parts of towns/cities and to the poorest parts and have seen the happiest people in the most run down parts of the country, why you ask, because that is where they are from and they are proud of it!
Anyways, thats just my 2 cents, besides, who am I....I'm just a dumb trucker that used to sit on my ass for a living, LOL.
J
On the legal part, I honestly don't want MMJ to be "legal"!!!!! I feel it needs to be decriminalized for patients that choose to utilize it. I STRONGLY believe and preach that legalizing it would cause more injustice then it already does. You would provide reason and cause for an up rising on drug cartels and major businesses on the black market (if you choose to believe such a thought)!
If I get raided and the feds find, lets just say 10 plants for SH*ts n giggles, then how many man hrs have been wasted on my sorry self? However if the feds raid a house that contains 100+ plants, then common sense tells ya its not for personal use. Same goes in a car, if you get stopped and have an ounce or less on your person in something OTHER then a freakin baggie, and your a patient, what harm is that, PROVIDING that your not obviously too messed up to drive? If that same car was to be pulled over and had the gas tank and fenders packed full of bricks, then yes, I do believe you should be shipping those fellers off to jail for a bit.
As far as Ron Paul, he's good and bad, just like every other politician out there. I love how people get all excited to back one person like they have no demons. If you think our country has produced completely honest people, then maybe its time you relocated somewhere else. There will always be good and bad, and there will always be good/bad intentions, however, how do you justify the difference in support? Thats right, you as the American get to decide that for yourself.
I personally live in Ron Paul's district and I won't sugar coat nothing!!!!! It's a sh*t hole and I'm not ashamed to say it. Other then the tourism that we see and the "government" part of town, they have done nothing to bring us back after the Hurricane (the most recent one). Do I agree with how that is, no, but I still choose to live there w/o bitching about it. Even those I say its a sh*thole, its my home and I love telling people where I live. If the day comes that I'm ashamed of that, then I will make the choice to relocate somewheres else, until then, I try to do my part and thats, that!
Hopefully I won't cause an uproar with this post, but I think people tend to over look alot of details when they focus on one good or bad view of something! I have travel in every state this country has to offer and traveled to the richest parts of towns/cities and to the poorest parts and have seen the happiest people in the most run down parts of the country, why you ask, because that is where they are from and they are proud of it!
Anyways, thats just my 2 cents, besides, who am I....I'm just a dumb trucker that used to sit on my ass for a living, LOL.
J
HonestJim
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There are Democrats that support legalization as well. The main obstacle is lobbyist and corrupt politicians. The alcohol companies, privatized prison corporations, drug cartels, and pharmaceutical companies would all lose money if MJ were legalized. That is why they pay big money to politicians to keep it illegal. Almost 70% of Americans feel it should be legal for medicinal purposes, yet most states still have it outlawed. We need to do our part of educate people and promote the politicians that are pro Marijuana, and that is how we can win this battle.
HonestJim
Active Member
The Libertarians want everything legalized. Hard drugs, prostitution, and everything in between. All I care about right now is MJ.
Stillbuzzin
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How many people in this forum believe the US government doesnt make money off of MJ. Do any of you remember Oliver North? How they funded the Contras.
HonestJim
Active Member
That was the CIA selling crack
fattyboombatty1
Member
Just because it hasn't been decriminalized as of today, doesn't exactly make it a failure!!! When you learned to ride a bike when you was 4 or 5 and busted your ass 20 times trying to figure that out, did that make you a failure for the rest of your life?
fattyboombatty1
Member
Lets not get carried away here!!!! There is no reason to hold back the prostitution laws, LOL.
Jogro
Well-Known Member
Concealed firearms carry has been promoted by libertarians for a while, yet that seems to exploding in popularity nationwide.
I think like many political ideas, MMJ is proceeding because its "time has come".
Its a fallacy, also, to think that just because CANDIDATE Ron Paul says he supports decriminalization of marijuana that PRESIDENT Ron Paul would actually do something about it. Even with the best of intentions the President of the USA has only so much political capital, and bluntly the President doesn't write the laws, he only enforces them.