Who Else Knows That Ron Paul will NEVER be President?

[HereToday]

Here is a challenge for you Nodrama
tell me 5 things you do not like about Ron Paul

 

[NoDrama]

I said states Like Utah. Which is majority Mormon.
I have posted a link to the source material
Here it is again
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/30/in-early-book-rep-ron-paul-criticized-aids-patients-minority-rights-and-sexual-harassment-victims/

I believe Carne Seca is a mormon maybe he can tell you about Mormons and their treatment of blacks. In the meantime here is some passages from the book of mormon

Alma 3: 6 "And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men."

This same racist approach to people of color was the basis for denying people of African descent from partaking of priesthood blessings, a clear indication of which was their dark skin. According to the church the dark skin was a mark placed upon Cain and his posterity so they would not be killed. (Gen. 4: 15)

You don't know jack shit about being LDS, and you just proved it beyond all doubt. Pretty sure Carne is going to back me up on that and he hates me more than my ex-wife does.

 

[HereToday]

This article is about black people and the early Mormon movement. For Black people and the modern LDS church, see Black people and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Early Mormonism had a range of policies and doctrines relating to race in regard to African-descended people. References to black people, their social condition during the 19th century, and their spiritual place in Western Christianity as well as Mormon scriptures were complicated, with varying degrees and forms of discrimination against black people.
When the Mormons migrated to Missouri they encountered the pro-slavery sentiments of their neighbors. Joseph Smith, Jr. supported the laws regarding slaves and slaveholders.
Following the death of Joseph Smith, Jr., Mormon leaders beginning with Brigham Young instituted a policy of excluding most people of black African descent (regardless of actual skin color) from Priesthood ordination and from participation in temple ceremonies. These practices continued in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) until September 30, 1978, when the highest bodies of church leadership lifted the ban after stating they had received a revelation.

That higher revelation came just about the same time the NCAA threatened to desanction Brigham Young university from college sports

 

[NoDrama]

Here is a challenge for you Nodrama
tell me 5 things you do not like about Ron Paul

In what way? i could easily give you 5 things, hell i could give you 20, but specifically what are you looking for?

 

[Carne Seca]

In 1987 AIDS was predominately a disease only Gay males got.

Bullshit. By the time it got to the states the disease had already spread to four other continents. By Heteros. The so-called patient zero was a Canadian flight attendant who was bisexual. He infected both men and women in Europe and North America.

 

[UncleBuck]

In today's world he wouldn't be your customer if you did that, not as many racist people as there were then, they would sell high quality at the correct market price. So in essence, racism does do damage, to the racist.

i agree with that sentiment, reality does not.

the only person who can match me does not live downtown, they live in scappoose, a good 30+ miles from downtown over the mountain and through the woods. my customer does not have transportation to get there, but even if he did, i deliver downtown or across town without charging gas, so his business model would suffer (you might say i would cause HARM to his business model).

i could jack up my prices on him about $10-20 per ounce and he would have no recourse. in that case, racism and discrimination would benefit me.

the ideology sounds so good..."well, if a business does that, it would be stupid and they would lose business and i would open up shop next door bla bla bla"...but in the real world, which is where i live, these types of impediments exist.

i do not need the fed gov to step in and tell me to do the right thing, but history proves that some businesses do.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

You don't know jack shit about being LDS, and you just proved it beyond all doubt. Pretty sure Carne is going to back me up on that and he hates me more than my ex-wife does.

ahahaha too funny

and the whole aids thing you said, what are you 14.


so niave

[video=youtube;SL1yagwaKM4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL1yagwaKM4[/video]

house of numbers educate your self my friend

sorry wont post about this agian . . .. . . if you watched this documentary you would be appalled, or intrigued

 

[HereToday]

In what way? i could easily give you 5 things, hell i could give you 20, but specifically what are you looking for?

anything and while you are pontificating
here watch this 9 minute video of racist quotes from Mormon leaders and the book of mormon
I can tell you love posting videos in adulation of the racist prince Ron Paul
watch this
[video=youtube;2tfHzyCXHiw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tfHzyCXHiw[/video]

 

[NoDrama]

This article is about black people and the early Mormon movement. For Black people and the modern LDS church, see Black people and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Early Mormonism had a range of policies and doctrines relating to race in regard to African-descended people. References to black people, their social condition during the 19th century, and their spiritual place in Western Christianity as well as Mormon scriptures were complicated, with varying degrees and forms of discrimination against black people.
When the Mormons migrated to Missouri they encountered the pro-slavery sentiments of their neighbors. Joseph Smith, Jr. supported the laws regarding slaves and slaveholders.
Following the death of Joseph Smith, Jr., Mormon leaders beginning with Brigham Young instituted a policy of excluding most people of black African descent (regardless of actual skin color) from Priesthood ordination and from participation in temple ceremonies. These practices continued in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) until September 30, 1978, when the highest bodies of church leadership lifted the ban after stating they had received a revelation.

That higher revelation came just about the same time the NCAA threatened to desanction Brigham Young university from college sports

I will see your cut and paste with my own there Dukie.

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Notable Black members of the early LDS movement[/h] [h=3][edit] Elijah Abel[/h] Main article: Elijah Abel
Although Joseph Smith is not known to have made any statements regarding blacks and the priesthood, he was aware of the ordination of at least one black man to the office of elder. Elijah Abel was ordained on March 3, 1836 by Zebedee Coltrin.[SUP][1][/SUP] Six months later, he was ordained to the office of seventy and was called to serve in the Third Quorum of the Seventy. Abel served his first mission for the church to New York and Upper Canada. In 1836, he moved from Kirtland to Nauvoo, Illinois, where he participated in the temple ordinance of baptism for the dead. In 1843, a traveling high council visited Cincinnati, where Abel lived, but refused to recognize Abel for the sake of public appearance and called him to his second mission to the "colored population" of Cincinnati.[SUP][2][/SUP]
Abel rejoined the Latter-day Saints in Utah Territory in 1853. By then, Brigham Young had formalized church's policies against black people. However, no attempt was made to remove Abel's priesthood or drop him from the Third Quorum of the Seventy. He remained active in the Quorum until his death.
[h=3][edit] Green Flake[/h] Born in 1829 Green Flake, the slave of James Madison Flake, a convert to the LDS Church, was baptized at the age of 16 on April 7, 1844 by John Brown. He accompanied the Flake family to Nauvoo, Illinois. Green remained a slave but was a faithful member of the church throughout his life. From family diaries and the memory of a grandson, it is believed that it was Green who drove the carriage and team that brought President Brigham Young into the Salt Lake Valley.
Brigham Young freed Flake in 1854. Flake died a faithful member of The Church.[SUP][3][/SUP]
[h=3][edit] Walker Lewis[/h] Main article: Walker Lewis
Walker Lewis was another free black man who held the Mormon priesthood prior to the death of Joseph Smith. A prominent radical abolitionist, Episcopalian, and Most Worshipful Grand Master of Freemasonry from Lowell and Boston, Massachusetts, Lewis became a Latter Day Saint about 1842. In the summer of 1843, he was ordained an elder in the Melchizedek priesthood. His son, Enoch Lovejoy Lewis, also joined the Latter Day Saints about the same time, and Quaker poet John Greenleaf Whittier heard young Enoch preaching in Lowell just after the death of Joseph Smith in July or August 1844. It has been speculated that Enoch led Young to instigate the ban against black men holding Mormon priesthood when Enoch L. Lewis married a white Mormon woman, Mary Matilda Webster, in Cambridge, Massachusetts on September 18, 1846. On December 3, 1847, Young told the Quorom of the Twelve at Winter Quarters that "if they [Enoch and Matilda] were far away from the Gentiles they wod. [would] all be killed - when they mingle seed it is death to all." (Quorum of the Twelve Minutes, December 3, 1847, pp. 6–7, LDS Archives.)

Have a nice day, you should really make sure your info is the truth before putting it out there, you can't just go with the first google link you find, you have to do a little digging otherwise you look Dumb as shit.

 

[HereToday]

n an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."[/FONT]
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[HereToday]

In 1978 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was under increasing pressure by the US government to end its racist doctrine and teachings or lose its tax-free status.

 

[Carne Seca]

This article is about black people and the early Mormon movement. For Black people and the modern LDS church, see Black people and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Early Mormonism had a range of policies and doctrines relating to race in regard to African-descended people. References to black people, their social condition during the 19th century, and their spiritual place in Western Christianity as well as Mormon scriptures were complicated, with varying degrees and forms of discrimination against black people.
When the Mormons migrated to Missouri they encountered the pro-slavery sentiments of their neighbors. Joseph Smith, Jr. supported the laws regarding slaves and slaveholders.
Following the death of Joseph Smith, Jr., Mormon leaders beginning with Brigham Young instituted a policy of excluding most people of black African descent (regardless of actual skin color) from Priesthood ordination and from participation in temple ceremonies. These practices continued in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) until September 30, 1978, when the highest bodies of church leadership lifted the ban after stating they had received a revelation.

That higher revelation came just about the same time the NCAA threatened to desanction Brigham Young university from college sports

You got your facts wrong. First of all "Blacks" were not only allowed but welcomed into the fold. What they couldn't do is hold the Priesthood. There are many explanations for this. None of which I find satisfactory. The Mormons who moved into Illinois and Missouri were from the northern states. They were staunch anti-slavery stock. Which worried the states they moved into. This is when Missouri passed a law that made it legal to kill Mormons. This law wasn't repealed until the 70's. This brought about the Mormon massacres. They were murdered and driven from their homes. Which triggered the migration to Utah. Joseph Smith himself baptised a "black man" into the church.

If you really want to go there, I can trot out Southern Baptist and Methodist policies regarding African Americans. Those policies have changed as well. Singling the Mormons out is a bit disingenuous.

 

[HereToday]

So Carne
I am correct that the Mormon church has a history of institutional Racism which existed until 1978

And the admission to Priesthood for blacks that came about was due to revelations to church leaders from God
and had nothing to do with the US goverment threatening to take away their tax free status nor anything to do with the NCAA Threatening to kick them out of the league

 

[NoDrama]

anything and while you are pontificating
here watch this 9 minute video of racist quotes from Mormon leaders and the book of mormon
I can tell you love posting videos in adulation of the racist prince Ron Paul
watch this

LOL keep the Mormon stuff coming I was born and raised LDS and was in the priesthood. Who do you think knows more?

real quick 20 things i don't like about RP
his hair.
his suits are too big,
he doesn't exude confidence,
his new house is lame,
his ties are boring,
his wife isn't 24 and a hottie,
he didn't give me any gold,
his right testicle hangs lower than his left, i was always partial to it being the other way around
his choice of car
........

.....

want me to keep going? or do you want to specify a bit better?

 

[UncleBuck]

Change minds, not force ideals.

sorry to take such an eloquent post and reduce it to this, but this seems to be the main thrust of the argument.

i do not take the position that civil rights "forced ideals", i take the position that civil rights abridged freedoms in a good way.

do i like the idea of abridging freedoms? it depends.

yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre is the classic example of abridging a freedom in a way that most people would have to agree with. civil rights seems not to be much different to me.

what irks me is when people try to equate civil rights with jackbooted thugs descending on your private property and telling you how to wipe your ass. it is not that way, although you'd be hard-pressed to know that based on how some people argue the case.

in any case, i had a thought as i was making my delivery: soon it will be rand's turn to carry the torch for his daddy. and rand carries the same position on civil rights, and it will be his downfall.

instead of being taken seriously, much of the rand paul debate will be focused on the same 50 year old debate on civil rights, and most people disagree with him.

it's just not a sensible position to take.

 

[UncleBuck]

his suits are too big

he's swimming in them...

it's just a hard thing to let go.

 

[NoDrama]

You got your facts wrong. First of all "Blacks" were not only allowed but welcomed into the fold. What they couldn't do is hold the Priesthood. There are many explanations for this. None of which I find satisfactory. The Mormons who moved into Illinois and Missouri were from the northern states. They were staunch anti-slavery stock. Which worried the states they moved into. This is when Missouri passed a law that made it legal to kill Mormons. This law was repealed until the 70's. This brought about the Mormon massacres. They were murdered and driven from their homes. Which triggered the migration to Utah. Joseph Smith himself baptised a "black man" into the church.

If you really want to go there, I can trot out Southern Baptist and Methodist policies regarding African Americans. Those policies have changed as well. Singling the Mormons out is a bit disingenuous.

carne, it was written in the book, obviously everyone who is a Mormon is a racist, don't try to deny it, its written in the book for gods sake. Just like the RP newsletters.

 

[HereToday]

LOL keep the Mormon stuff coming I was born and raised LDS and was in the priesthood. Who do you think knows more?

real quick 20 things i don't like about RP
his hair.
his suits are too big,
he doesn't exude confidence,
his new house is lame,
his ties are boring,
his wife isn't 24 and a hottie,
he didn't give me any gold,
his right testicle hangs lower than his left, i was always partial to it being the other way around
his choice of car
........

.....

want me to keep going? or do you want to specify a bit better?

No I want you to address the question in a meaningful way
Name 5 things you dont like about Ron Paul
you must disagree with him on some of his policys

And as far as the history of racism in the Mormon church it is again something you cannot sweep under the rug. It happened it was there. You can move on but you cannot deny its existance

 

[HereToday]

carne, it was written in the book, obviously everyone who is a Mormon is a racist, don't try to deny it, its written in the book for gods sake. Just like the RP newsletters.

And i didnt accuse every Mormon of being a racist. But the Mormons practiced Jim Crow policys before Jim Crow policys were official parts of some state goverments

 

[NoDrama]

Bullshit. By the time it got to the states the disease had already spread to four other continents. By Heteros. The so-called patient zero was a Canadian flight attendant who was bisexual. He infected both men and women in Europe and North America.

huh? I never made an argument saying it only happened here, in the 80's it WAS a mainly gay disease, now its mostly from IV drug users. Statistics wholly bear this truth out, you should look into them.