I hope you figure it out Aj... Gees, don't be shy posting... We're mostly less advanced than your setup, and I don't think a single person here is really judgemental, the whole point of these threads are to share knowledge and improve. We know full well that you're not impressed with the current results, but perhaps we can all learn from it. To be honest it's nice looking at someone's perfect results, but it makes me more comfortable with my own failures to see others also go through the same, and I learn alot more from them. Petflora is a good example of being quite humble, he posts the good, bad and the ugly, and I feel I learn just as much what to do, as what not to do from it. I certainly don't think he's a lesser person for posting brown roots at times, and doubt anyone else does either. I think the only time I get somewhat judgemental is when someone isn't humble, or refuses to consider the knowledge and advice of others, and then posts some ugly roots and brags how awesome they are- lol... Of course we're all in pursuit of the perfect roots, but it's not a contest between eachother, but with each person and themselves. To be honest- I am considering starting an HPA issues thread, perhaps in that context we can all feel comfortable showing our issues, and can all learn from them. The only thing stopping me is that I have a feeling all the soak-ponics LPA aero crowd will start chiming in, not realizing we're in a totally different category.