True HP Aero For 2011

Trichy Bastard said:
I am on painkillers, so I don't drink very much at a single time. I do admit the beer and vicodin is a real nice combo- especially with a puff now and again. But only if you don't go overboard. I live an extremely busy life and don't have time to get real buzzed, so i just sort of take the edge off life this way. Someday I hope I can slow down and start taking better care of myself though. I often stay awake for 2 days in a row. I have pretty bad adhd/ocd and that's why, I don't do any sort of stimulant drugs cept cigs and a little coffee.
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I knew it ....vicodin, YOU ARE HOUSE! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TB_or_Not_TB
 
DIYer said:
I've got 'fog gear' laying around too,.. one of those '3 Head Nutramist Aeroponic Fogger's,.. I've never been able to keep it cool enough in the root zone to make it work, those fuckers get hot as hell,.. so I've read some try and make the fog in one area, then move it to another, but its hard getting enough to move slowly, without losing its fog,.. and i remember reading something about some nutes not transporting well in fog. I like fog about as much as i like pH meters, lol
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yeah, you have to use a chiller with fog... It's okay for cracking seeds, and cloning, but it's hell on roots, my solution was reading 90-100 degrees, got root rot right away... Now I have a chiller though, so I'm hoping it might work better. I never heard some nutes don't fog well, but I suppose it's possible. I'm considering fogging in a 5 gallon bucket, with a fan blowing into it, and a large tube to let the fog dribble into the root chamber. The Dominaero addresses a little of this by having a muffin fan blowin into the top of the chamber, it stirs up the fog just enough and helps draw out heat. But like I said, I might take it another step, and have the fogger in a seperate bucket. I'm thinking I might design it in a way that the fog will gravity feed into the root chamber, rather than be blown- that way it keeps it's density without being thinned out by the air. If you watch the fog, it sort of dribbles down with gravity, so perhaps I can use this property to my advantage somehow.
 
hehehe... Wish someone I actually cared about what they said, like Ron paul was in this...[video=youtube;8CNVAVH3QHI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CNVAVH3QHI&feature=watch_response[/video]
 
pff wtf...i bet obama is growing his bluberry yum yum with luda
to the windooooow to the waaalll...skeet skeet on those roots
 
DIYer: There's really nothing to it. Since I don't grow more than 6 plants at a time, I use a smallish Rubbermaid Roughneck tote, sort of like a large grey-black shoe box. Drill holes up high for the tubing, and of course holes for the 1.5" couplers (holds the small net pots) and it's done. Originally I used a Walmart 2 outlet pump, replaced it with an Elite 802 which pumps a ton more air. The 802 produces some nice root beards,but I think more/better can be had. I tried a HydroFarm 15L/m with 4 outlets and 4 stones, but am disappointed as it doesn't create much more volume than the Elite, though due to 4 stones instead of 2, I do have more surface bubbles. http://cheaphydroponics.com/store/view-all/sunleaves-durapump-air-142gph/prod_51.html I will be exchanging it for one that pushes a lot more volume, which also happens to be field repairable. http://cheaphydroponics.com/store/view-all/gh-dual-diaphram-air-pump-heavy-duty-/prod_46.html TB: My idea is to create an 24/7 environment that is similar to hpa. I still have a pond fogger, but it generates too much heat for the amount of water I'm using (I am suspicious that high heat develops long roots instead of small beards/balls). I just want enough water/nutes < 200ppm to cover the stones, leaving some 6" of air space above, which is O2 rich, but not overly wet. Will take a photo, but I doubt it will help. hth

This is a separate closet for starting/clones. Hanging UFO 90 + daylight CFLs in the corners.

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Hard to hold camera in one hand, plant in the other and get a sharp focused picture. The roots are loaded with tiny laterals, a precursor to root hairs. Now running 1 second/3 minutes day 4 minutes night. Plant is under 12/12 and bloom bulb mix as I am babysitting the lovely < 2 ft plant (in soil) that came to me ~ 21 days into bloom. The 4 clones you see in the bubbler are from her. 2 of the clones are too short, and may not make it.
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Trichy Bastard said:
yeah, you have to use a chiller with fog... It's okay for cracking seeds, and cloning, but it's hell on roots, my solution was reading 90-100 degrees, got root rot right away... Now I have a chiller though, so I'm hoping it might work better. I never heard some nutes don't fog well, but I suppose it's possible. I'm considering fogging in a 5 gallon bucket, with a fan blowing into it, and a large tube to let the fog dribble into the root chamber. The Dominaero addresses a little of this by having a muffin fan blowin into the top of the chamber, it stirs up the fog just enough and helps draw out heat. But like I said, I might take it another step, and have the fogger in a seperate bucket. I'm thinking I might design it in a way that the fog will gravity feed into the root chamber, rather than be blown- that way it keeps it's density without being thinned out by the air. If you watch the fog, it sort of dribbles down with gravity, so perhaps I can use this property to my advantage somehow.
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I tried separate tub + ice bath + I cut up a small plastic bottle as a bridge between + a fan to push the fog through... I gave up and switched to a DIY Bubbler; now working to max its potential.

If you look in the lower right corner, there are 4 seeds from my X that I germed ~ 7 days ago, when weather here was mid 40s, slowing them down. They are just breaking out. Hope to have the new pump in time to see how their roots develop

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Trichy Bastard said:
When these are working right, tree famer swears by them, and I tend to trust his judgement.
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Which ones on that page are you getting/does tf swear by?..

I just got 12 free red nozzles from cloudtop, i let them know i was a little disappointed mine didn't have a CV and screen like r0m's, and they made good. So ill be putting all new ones in my 6 flowering buckets soon as they arrive. It's no acc, but every bit helps :)
 
DIYer said:
Which ones on that page are you getting/does tf swear by?..

I just got 12 free red nozzles from cloudtop, i let them know i was a little disappointed mine didn't have a CV and screen like r0m's, and they made good. So ill be putting all new ones in my 6 flowering buckets soon as they arrive. It's no acc, but every bit helps :)
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The .16 orifice ultra low flow nozzles... They have excellent coverage, and produce the proper micron size, which may seem larger than the cloudtops, but you can;t argue with tree farmers results. They don't have any with cv, but you can buy an inline one I believe... With the acccum setup, as long as the solenoids are near the nozzles, you don't need em...
 
ok, i did the math,...
cloudtops red nozzles: 0.0185 gpm = 1.11 gph @ 100 psi
Spray Jet with 0.016" Orifice Item# AH-85: 0.04 fl. oz. per second = .9288 gph @ 80-100 psi

So technically they spray less if there specs are to be believed, but with as little as we all spray (acc or not) that little bit sure don't seem worth $10 a nozzle. TF's results came with TF's strain too remember.
 
DIYer said:
ok, i did the math,...
cloudtops red nozzles: 0.0185 gpm = 1.11 gph @ 100 psi
Spray Jet with 0.016" Orifice Item# AH-85: 0.04 fl. oz. per second = .9288 gph @ 80-100 psi

So technically they spray less if there specs are to be believed, but with as little as we all spray (acc or not) that little bit sure don't seem worth $10 a nozzle. TF's results came with TF's strain too remember.
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There is more to it than just the amount, but lower flow is generally better... The bio's also have excellent coverage, and throw. So they can make sure all your rootmass is getting evenly covered, and perhaps with less misters... Also, the spray is slightly coarser, and actually seems to grow better roots according to tree farmer. Too fine of mist can actualy be a bad thing- like ultrasonic fog.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
There is more to it than just the amount, but lower flow is generally better... The bio's also have excellent coverage, and throw. So they can make sure all your rootmass is getting evenly covered, and perhaps with less misters... Also, the spray is slightly coarser, and actually seems to grow better roots according to tree farmer. Too fine of mist can actualy be a bad thing- like ultrasonic fog.
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I know there is more to it then the amount, i was just doing the math on amount, like i said. But,.. there isn't anymore to it then this for me... don't know about anyone else, but i grow in 5 gal buckets only,.. and theres no way you're getting away with less then 2 misters in a 5 gallon bucket, and you'd need 2 pretty shitty misters to NOT get great coverage in a little ass 5 gallon bucket... So that being said,.. why again are $10 misters that don't even have a CV in them, better then practically identical specced misters that also hit 50 microns with there droplets, that are 4X cheaper? (and still over priced at that),.. i mean if you're in the market to buy more misters at all... I think some of you guys give way too much credit to little tiny parts that are practically identical to what you probably already over paid for,.. there are a million other variables to explain another growers success beyond what nozzles they used. You want to grow as good as someone else did, best place to start would be with a clone from them.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
Thanks for the link Dickhead.. To be honest, I really wanted to try to do just that, but didn't realize others were doing it, and even with such great bushy benefits. Super cool man, I can't wait to give it a try! If anyone here does monstercropping, please keep us updated on how it goes. Mike, please update yours too as it grows.
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Mike Young said:
Dude, that is pretty damn cool. I heard the same thing from the guy I got my sense star clones from. He swore by it, and the clones I got from him produced some healthy ass bushes. I've been set on making this work, as I don't really wanna keep a mother around either. And, as you can see in my photo, you can clone all the way up to the point of chop. Its nice to see a write up with pics. Good score!
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I just took clones at the 21 day period as the article says so ill keep you informed!
 
my hp aero plants are looking sad these days but the roots look better and better. my tent is around 80-85 my ph was a lil high around 7 I judt adjusted it. on one plant the leaves are curling down ward from the tip of the finger on 1 leaf they start curling down whats that mean? and some brown spots and yellowing leaves as well? Im gna change my res and hopefully this clears this up. has anyone tried technaflora liquid hummus? not sure if this could be the cause of the plant burn?
 
dickkhead said:
my hp aero plants are looking sad these days but the roots look better and better. my tent is around 80-85 my ph was a lil high around 7 I judt adjusted it. on one plant the leaves are curling down ward from the tip of the finger on 1 leaf they start curling down whats that mean? and some brown spots and yellowing leaves as well? Im gna change my res and hopefully this clears this up. has anyone tried technaflora liquid hummus? not sure if this could be the cause of the plant burn?
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I feel your pain. Mine aren't looking great either. This past week I was at 1000 ppm at 3/4 strength GH. I upped it today to full strength 1200 ppm. I abandoned the formula from Atomizer and am using the formula printed on the lable, at the bottom of the lable for flowering. The roots look great, but the plants are not growing very much. Very little change. Maybe two inches in two weeks. My times are at 1sec/6min. The roots stay a little moist before the next cycle hits. I changed my mister nozzles out today for fresh ones of the same .016 bio, I found a couple not spraying correctly. I have ordered some of the Cloudtop Red nozzles, if they don't get to doing better I may put those in when they arive. I haven't noticed any tip burn, but some of the leaves turned yellow early on and still haven't fully recovered from that. So that in itself is telling me to keep increasing the ppm level. Ph is set to around 5.8 - 6.0, temps like yours are around 80 to 85 during lights on. Running all three parts GH plus silica and 6 drops of bleach/gal. The only thing I know to do past this is to start adding additives.
 
kmbud said:
My times are at 1sec/6min.
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what is your psi hitting? do you have an acc? i do not, and 1sec on time from 2 cloudtop red misters would be no where enough, misters wouldn't even really fire in that time off my aquatec 6800.. not that that i a bad thing IMO but ya, bottom line get your head in the root area right before your misters go off again, after they've been off for a whole cycle, during the hottest part of the day, that's how i tell if they need more or less water..
 
DIYer said:
I know there is more to it then the amount, i was just doing the math on amount, like i said. But,.. there isn't anymore to it then this for me... don't know about anyone else, but i grow in 5 gal buckets only,.. and theres no way you're getting away with less then 2 misters in a 5 gallon bucket, and you'd need 2 pretty shitty misters to NOT get great coverage in a little ass 5 gallon bucket... So that being said,.. why again are $10 misters that don't even have a CV in them, better then practically identical specced misters that also hit 50 microns with there droplets, that are 4X cheaper? (and still over priced at that),.. i mean if you're in the market to buy more misters at all... I think some of you guys give way too much credit to little tiny parts that are practically identical to what you probably already over paid for,.. there are a million other variables to explain another growers success beyond what nozzles they used. You want to grow as good as someone else did, best place to start would be with a clone from them.
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Well, like I said, the coverage and throw are better. The bios throw out a spray nearly a foot farther than the cloud tops, and the pattern is also wider too. This helps you get the coverage you need to all the roots, while also not overmisting which kills off the root hairs.
 
dickkhead said:
my hp aero plants are looking sad these days but the roots look better and better. my tent is around 80-85 my ph was a lil high around 7 I judt adjusted it. on one plant the leaves are curling down ward from the tip of the finger on 1 leaf they start curling down whats that mean? and some brown spots and yellowing leaves as well? Im gna change my res and hopefully this clears this up. has anyone tried technaflora liquid hummus? not sure if this could be the cause of the plant burn?
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I little high! Dude, that ph will kill them eventually and cause lockouts. your target is 5.8 give or take a .1 or .2... Take a look at a nutrient ph availability chart- the window is very small where all the nutrients are available at a given ph. Don't fall into the trap of a bunch of bottles of crap. Having the right ppm, and PH will do you far better. Get a good nutrient like Canna, or dynagro (works awesome as an easy to use brand for hydro, but no idea in aero yet), and don't need a single other thing except perhaps some silica and with dynagro I like adding magpro since I use r.o. water. If you're growing aero, it's alot better imo to not try going organic, which means you don't need humic/fulvic. Just get a complete nute and call it done. All the marketing junk of these companies is misleading, you do not need a bunch of bottles to get any better results, if anything they hinder your ability to grow good cuz it't too complicated.
 
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