Peruvian Torch
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MrEDuck
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I've never grown them, but I'm awesome at extracting mescaline.
When you cut the cactus cut like 1cm thick slices (cut horizontally not vertically) then cut the hard core out of them. Dry the remaining part in the oven at 225°F/110°C for an hour or two. Grind up the dried material. In a large beaker or glass or stainless steel pot mix the dried powder into enough water to cover the cactus powder and have an inch of water on top of it. Add acid to pH ~3. Then add nonpolar solvent (use about a quarter of the volume of water used. Mix vigorously and thoroughly. Then separate (a real sep funnel is cheap and legal to buy and your beat friend when you do extractions) and do another wash with nonpolar. Throw out these nonpolar washes as they only have fats, oils, waxes and other stuff that will just be a pain in the ass down the line. Filter the aqueous layer and set aside the cacti for a second pull. Now raise the pH to between 11.5 and 12. Set aside about half your water's volume of nonpolar solvent. Use half of it for the first pull and mix it thoroughly. Separate and collect the organic phase. Use the remainder of the organic phase to do three washes of the aqueous phase to pull out any remaining mesc. Pool the organics and evaporate about half the solvent. I like to wash this 3x with 25mL brine. At this point you have a solution of mescaline freebase and it's time to collect it. Salting it out with an acid is the way to go (evaporating the solvent and collecting the freebase gives you a less pure product). I use dry HCl to salt stuff out, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who needs a recommendation for how to salt out an alkaloid. There's a bunch of teks for salting out mescaline with wet mineral acids, acetic acid, citric acid, and probably others, but that's plenty of choices. I always recrystalize after salting because I want the highest purity I can get. The last batch I could test was like 99.3% according to the GC.
There's several good nonpolar solvents available OTC for a mescaline extraction. Toluene and xylene are both good and available at Home Depot, d-limonene is also good and available at the grocery store in foodsafe grade. I'm partial to ether for many extractions and lots of other things but it's fucking dangerous if you don't know how to use it properly and it's tough to get OTC without having to distill it (please don't try this at home).
When you cut the cactus cut like 1cm thick slices (cut horizontally not vertically) then cut the hard core out of them. Dry the remaining part in the oven at 225°F/110°C for an hour or two. Grind up the dried material. In a large beaker or glass or stainless steel pot mix the dried powder into enough water to cover the cactus powder and have an inch of water on top of it. Add acid to pH ~3. Then add nonpolar solvent (use about a quarter of the volume of water used. Mix vigorously and thoroughly. Then separate (a real sep funnel is cheap and legal to buy and your beat friend when you do extractions) and do another wash with nonpolar. Throw out these nonpolar washes as they only have fats, oils, waxes and other stuff that will just be a pain in the ass down the line. Filter the aqueous layer and set aside the cacti for a second pull. Now raise the pH to between 11.5 and 12. Set aside about half your water's volume of nonpolar solvent. Use half of it for the first pull and mix it thoroughly. Separate and collect the organic phase. Use the remainder of the organic phase to do three washes of the aqueous phase to pull out any remaining mesc. Pool the organics and evaporate about half the solvent. I like to wash this 3x with 25mL brine. At this point you have a solution of mescaline freebase and it's time to collect it. Salting it out with an acid is the way to go (evaporating the solvent and collecting the freebase gives you a less pure product). I use dry HCl to salt stuff out, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who needs a recommendation for how to salt out an alkaloid. There's a bunch of teks for salting out mescaline with wet mineral acids, acetic acid, citric acid, and probably others, but that's plenty of choices. I always recrystalize after salting because I want the highest purity I can get. The last batch I could test was like 99.3% according to the GC.
There's several good nonpolar solvents available OTC for a mescaline extraction. Toluene and xylene are both good and available at Home Depot, d-limonene is also good and available at the grocery store in foodsafe grade. I'm partial to ether for many extractions and lots of other things but it's fucking dangerous if you don't know how to use it properly and it's tough to get OTC without having to distill it (please don't try this at home).
ANC
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Depends on what you want, waves of difirent chems activating at difirent time points or 1 gear mescaline ride.
Best wayto make alot in a short period, say 2 to3 years, is to buy a cutting or two and cut it into 2" slices. Place those on some dry loose sand and feel every few weeks if the roots are starting to grip.... don't water before then.
Best wayto make alot in a short period, say 2 to3 years, is to buy a cutting or two and cut it into 2" slices. Place those on some dry loose sand and feel every few weeks if the roots are starting to grip.... don't water before then.
ndangerspecimen101
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The D-Limonene Tek is pure genius brought to you by the likes of 69Ron. 
MrEDuck
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You should hear me talk synthesis. Although the talk is actually very clean. No filthy impurities in my products
ndangerspecimen101
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Sorry, I haven't got back to you about your PM. Very intrigued... but taking the right ​approach to address it!You should hear me talk synthesis. Although the talk is actually very clean. No filthy impurities in my products
ANC
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Yeah I think the left can be a pedro, I have mostly torches, and they have much longer spines. The other one is not active, unless you include projectile shitting and vomiting as active.
Remember to save and root the pup sitting on it. It will grow muuuuuuch faster than a seedling.
Remember to save and root the pup sitting on it. It will grow muuuuuuch faster than a seedling.
canndo
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I would like to hear you talk synthisis - I have never seen that proposed.You should hear me talk synthesis. Although the talk is actually very clean. No filthy impurities in my products
MrEDuck
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I'm thinking of doing a thread about chemistry now that things are settling down from my recent move. I love synthetic chemistry, the feeling one gets watching a new product never before seen by humanity crystallize is magical.
sonar
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In the begining, what do you use to bring the pH down to ~3?
InCognition
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In regards to growing, I have quite a few of these growing for about 1 year now. All the claims I saw on the internet said they should be roughly 1 foot tall by now. All mine are still under 2 inches...
MrEDuck
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Sonar,
I generally use HCl for adjusting pH down because its generally useful, readily obtained, and most importantly cheap. But anything that can get it down there would work, so sulfuric or nitric or even a weaker acid like citric could work. It's not that acidic of an environment.
I generally use HCl for adjusting pH down because its generally useful, readily obtained, and most importantly cheap. But anything that can get it down there would work, so sulfuric or nitric or even a weaker acid like citric could work. It's not that acidic of an environment.
canndo
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Ok - first - don't treat them the way you think cactus should be treated, make sure the soil drains very well but make sure they have plenty of nutrients. Water them several times a week in the sumer and several times a month in the winter, be sure they get plenty of sun and that their roots have plenty of room - not down but out. If you do this I assure you you will get as much as a foot a year of growth. I had the same problem, hell, I water them once a month in the sumer, then i left one where it got sprinklered on and it grew 10 times faster than the others.
sonar
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Cool thanks. I've been thinking about asking my friend who does our DMT extractions if he'd like to try his hand at this. He's gotten ridiculously good with STB extractions and don't think an A/B mescaline extraction would be much of a stretch for him.
Just curious, is it possible to do a mescaline extraction STB? How much cactus would we need approximately for us to each get 2-3 doses and which species would you recommend?