hazey grapes
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i hope at least HERE, in THIS thread that i feel more at home in, there isn't a lot of sympathy for indicas playing the victim. LOL
Where Are The Pure Sativa Strains At?!
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poplars
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hazey ignore the haters and they'll stop comin.
now, what do you think of golden tiger??
hazey grapes
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i have no idea. i've never tried it, but there's at least one grower here that swears by ace seeds' gear and that has tried to inspire me to try it which i will when i have some headstash as well as getting some SCROGging experience and can try fussier stuff like the full moon highland thais i have that are too much hassle in a regular garden with a lot of other strains.
i was more interested in that chinese indoor hybrid they have for getting easy results indoors.
i kind of wanted to stealth some IBLs outdoors this year, but it's hard finding any place where people don't wander. anywhere you go, you see footprints or beer bottles and in one great old unused little field bordered by trees i thought i discovered, i was bummed to see flower pots in one corner.
as long as i find something in my gear that gets me high i'll be happy and i expect to do just that with almost everything except the masterkush mids. my goal is to have cash crappers start begging to buy my stuff and give them the "nah uh... not for sale!" LOL that, and to wreck their biz when anyone i toss some bud to spreads the seeds to their peeps so they don't need dealers anymore.
WEED R THE C99 NO SCENT!
WEED R THE C99 NO SCENT!
i was more interested in that chinese indoor hybrid they have for getting easy results indoors.
i kind of wanted to stealth some IBLs outdoors this year, but it's hard finding any place where people don't wander. anywhere you go, you see footprints or beer bottles and in one great old unused little field bordered by trees i thought i discovered, i was bummed to see flower pots in one corner.
as long as i find something in my gear that gets me high i'll be happy and i expect to do just that with almost everything except the masterkush mids. my goal is to have cash crappers start begging to buy my stuff and give them the "nah uh... not for sale!" LOL that, and to wreck their biz when anyone i toss some bud to spreads the seeds to their peeps so they don't need dealers anymore.
WEED R THE C99 NO SCENT!
WEED R THE C99 NO SCENT!
vapor85
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Not a bad idea... I was already planning on using the best male to pollinate one of my favorite sativa dominate strains, so why not make some F2 beans of the Golden Tiger. It's not really possible to have too many seeds right?
I also started a pack of Blue Mountain Jamaican from Cannabiogen so it's gonna be a good year.
hazey grapes
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seeds are good! if you have seeds, you can always have weed and you help others get their own too and probably get better stuff than they're buying elsewhere. not only that, but i think getting knocked up makes your plants happier. oh yeah... when you make a cross too, there's some pride that you have something unique no one else does.
i don't know that i'll ever grow sinsemilla. there's no reason to. seeds don't hurt THC levels. they only add to bud weight, but if you're not selling it, all seeds do is make breaking buds apart to smoke a little more time consuming. i always like getting buds that are seeded myself. back in the 90s, i had 30 different sourced strains easy ranging from one flat out roadkill skunk through a full range of hybrids up to more than half a dozen DIFFERENT mexican commercials with the two peppery and not unlike original kali mist tasting beans i named spicy as my most prized, though 3-4 or the other mexcoms were great even in brick form.
i don't know that i'll ever grow sinsemilla. there's no reason to. seeds don't hurt THC levels. they only add to bud weight, but if you're not selling it, all seeds do is make breaking buds apart to smoke a little more time consuming. i always like getting buds that are seeded myself. back in the 90s, i had 30 different sourced strains easy ranging from one flat out roadkill skunk through a full range of hybrids up to more than half a dozen DIFFERENT mexican commercials with the two peppery and not unlike original kali mist tasting beans i named spicy as my most prized, though 3-4 or the other mexcoms were great even in brick form.
hazey grapes
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more seeds = more weed.
not just that, but if you're breeding, it gives you more to select from for that 1 in 1,000 gal. most people would rather smoke sinse for sure, but unless you're growing some annoying rock nug you need pliers to smoke, it's not really much trouble to break a bud up and collect the seeds. having a lot also helps if you store them a long time. it's sad when you only have a couple dozen seeds but they've all gotten to old to pop.
i tend to do the exact opposite of everyone else anyways. growing sinse would be out of character for me.
not just that, but if you're breeding, it gives you more to select from for that 1 in 1,000 gal. most people would rather smoke sinse for sure, but unless you're growing some annoying rock nug you need pliers to smoke, it's not really much trouble to break a bud up and collect the seeds. having a lot also helps if you store them a long time. it's sad when you only have a couple dozen seeds but they've all gotten to old to pop.
i tend to do the exact opposite of everyone else anyways. growing sinse would be out of character for me.
poplars
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yeah you obviously are the opposite of everyone else. I'm not even gonna get into the debate of more seeds = more weed....
shrigpiece
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I have read somewere that seeded weed produces more resin glands. As for bud weight Surely the seeded female will put the majority of her energy into the seeds? The seeds are gonna make the buds heavier thats for sure.
hazey grapes
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well, the general scientific consensus is that seeded bud probably has less resin as, like you said, all a female plant wants to do is reproduce and will put all the energy she can into making seeds and that one of the reasons sinse gets so sticky is that the ladies are trying as hard as they can to catch some pollen and get knocked up, but i've had mexican BRICK that was seeded that kicks ANY indica sinse's ass 10x around the block for actually getting me high and have had more than one seeded bud that suffered little for potency. potency is overrated. it's just one of the tools of the bogus indica trade's FAKE "bag appeal" propaganda.
"look at all that resin! why would you EVER want to smoke that fluffy columbian gold with it's tiny hairs?"
"um... because it gets me high and your schwag doesn't maybe?!" LOL
i defy ANYONE who looks at columbian gold and sizes it up as having "no bag appeal" to actually smoke it and say it lacks potency and keep a straight face because 4 one hitters of that will fuck you up and put you in a corner curled up in a fetal position trying to make the room stop spinning! quality matters more than quantity. i've also smoked some sticky bud that was actually pissweak too.
the THC profile matters way more than potency to me. i LOVED 8 miles high's mellow buzz! it had quality more than quantity. i have nothing but contempt for sticky stoner buds that put you to sleep after a couple hits. what good is potency if you're not even awake to enjoy it? maybe plants making seeds are going to be a LITTLE less resinous, but they sure as fuck aren't going to turn into ruderalis. my SEEDED C99 gals were plenty sticky and got me high as fuck. i had no potency issues whatsoever to speak of. i'm inclined to think that seeded plants make pretty close to the same amount of resin per seed bract as sinsemillia, only they might not make as much bud weight.
not EVERYONE, just the majority and as far as i'm concerned, the more people that agree on something, the more likely it is to be fucked up. global warming, for example, is caused by the MAJORITY who refuse to accept their part in destroying the planet and switch to mass transit or *gasp* becoming a pedestrian because they're more concerned about competing and keeping up with the jonses which ultimately is the driving (pun intended) force behind just about every stupid fucking thing mob mentality go with the flow sheep do. the "might makes right" argument holds little weight with me
that's my whole point in growing SEEDED bud, undermining the greed based indica domininant suck ass market that actively PREVENTS anyone who buys from getting high. i'm fighting an evil empire here in my small go against the flow way. i'm empowering the disenfranchised who WANT to get high or who never have even been able to at the expense of the greedy "you'll take what i sell you and STFU!" cookie cutter clone dealers that count on everyone's apathy and towing the line like good little toadies.
there ain't nuthin' wrong with doing the opposite of everyone else. the masses are useless stupid fucks. the world wouldn't be where it is now if most people weren't scared little conformists afraid of standing out in the crowd.
weed with seeds is just another part of my "getting back to nature & fuck industrialized society" ethos. i'm doing my thing the natural organic way. plants are people too to me. if they can make me happy, it's only right that i return the favor and share their love with the world. if i don't fight the powers that be, not many others will have the balls to though i KNOW there are plenty of growers out there who at the very least aren't in it for the money and some of them like the idea of hooking others up with seeds.
seeds aren't the enemy... the greedy indicas only mindset is. as there's virtually no access to the masses for getting high, i'm doing a public service here and undermining oppression. LOL
now i need to go get a superhero costume to feed my delusions of grandeur!
"ganjaman! stronger than a mexican brick! able to leap over large dogs because it isn't stoned. faster than a couchlocked stoner! his identity a secret because he wears glasses and a hat!" LOL oh that always bothered me about clark kent as a kid. are you people fucking stoopid?! clark kent is superman! close your eyes and listen to his fucking voice at least! feckin' morons!
[video=youtube;d0QVvbhMm24]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QVvbhMm24[/video]
i WANTED to find the parody clip from mystery men where one of the characters try to argue that captain amazing is really lance the lawyer.
hazey grapes
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to a degree, YES, but a lot of it too is purely about greed because you CAN grow superior strains that get you high indoors. we DO have that technology, believe it or not! it's just greedy dealers are locked into a gimme gimme gimme mindset and don't want to give up an inch on yield in the name of superior product.
i really don't get people who try to twist my contempt for the THOUSANDS of cookie cutter dealers who REFUSE to grow anything remotely sativa that gets you high even a little with contempt for med users and people that actually prefer getting stoned. when the day comes that THEY are kicked to the curb and denied THIER needs and wants, then i'll rant about sativa growers refusing to supply their demands.
i really don't understand why so many take it personally that i'm fighting an unjust system that's biased against those of us who want absolutely NOTHING to do with indicas when i'm not dropping any names and am only talking about the big picture. i also don't get how said people REFUSE to look at the FACTS and simply say "you know, you're right. you CAN'T get high anywhere on the streets no matter how much you beg and plead or even offer anyone that does get get you high with a freebie. i feel for ya. it's not right that ONLY stoners get what they want while high flyers get nothing but the fuck you!"
unlike those that take my stance against an unfair system as trolling, i DO believe in fairness and try to help stoners find good indicas when that's what they want or need. where were you all the times i've suggested NL#5 to stoners or hashberry & white castle to those looking for stankest strains?
i DEMAND a world where EVERYONE's needs are met, not just stoners. you might not like how sick and fucking tired i am of wasting thousands of dollars and 25 years buying greedy fucks SUVs and big screens, but nothing you can say to try and twist the facts or turn it into a popularity contest can change the FACT that virtually no one growing weed for profit has any real concern for public service and superior product when it affects their bottom line. no one that's ever stolen my money has ever gotten me high since the mid 80s and no one that has gotten me high (very rare) has ever taken a penny from me or allowed me to buy from them.
if you defend the status quo, then you're just another fascist as far as i'm concerned or at the very least, a spineless sheep who never stands up for what's right ever and who attacks anyone who makes waves trying to fix things, kinda like fox news watching scumbag fidiots. LOL that's right, i'm a bleeding heart liberal do gooder, only unlike my "bretheren", i don't kiss ass and avoid confrontation thus enabling scum to feel empowered. the more power hungry you are in any way, the more i wanna be the one to knock you on your ass and put you in your place. i've stood my ground against CROWDS of bullies threatening to kill me more than once only to see the pieces of shit's resolve vanish once they see i'm not afraid and that i've marked the original instigator for death before the rest can finish me off. that's just the kind of person i am. the more a mob tries to flex on me, the deeper i dig my heels and say bring it bitch.
sativa smokers are actually in the MAJORITY BTW. given the choice, about 55% of people would rather get high and about 20% of us don't want anything to do with indicrap ever. sadly, a majority of THOSE people are go with the flow sellout sheep afraid to speak up & fight back against the forces of greed. i just have the kind of personality that i don't care how many assholes i gotta fight when i'm right and standing up for what's right never does anything but make stupid ass sheep rally against you protecting wolves. i have zero respect for authority and am no more impressed by mobs. the sad thing is instigators, the REAL trolls, who talk about people personally which you'll never see me do until someone tests my personal space, are snivelling cowards always looking for butt buddies trying to use fear and intimidation which just doesn't work on me.
if you don't believe in free speech, then you're just a commie fascist and probably prone to hate crimes. i don't have problems with anyone disagreeing with me and don't tie my entire self worth up into the things i love like so many others who take everything personal. if some despises sativas, that's their biz. i can have downright civil debates with anyone who disagrees with me until they try and make it personal as so many defenders of the evil greed empire do in their sheepish destroy all descent way. if you don't like my standing up for what's right, then quit doing what's wrong! it's that simple. i don't even tow the line for alleged friends and family. don't ever ask me to lie for you and if you get pissed because i won't, fuck you! you're no friend of mine! LOL a real friend would never ask such a thing.
buddy232
i really don't get people who try to twist my contempt for the THOUSANDS of cookie cutter dealers who REFUSE to grow anything remotely sativa that gets you high even a little with contempt for med users and people that actually prefer getting stoned. when the day comes that THEY are kicked to the curb and denied THIER needs and wants, then i'll rant about sativa growers refusing to supply their demands.
i really don't understand why so many take it personally that i'm fighting an unjust system that's biased against those of us who want absolutely NOTHING to do with indicas when i'm not dropping any names and am only talking about the big picture. i also don't get how said people REFUSE to look at the FACTS and simply say "you know, you're right. you CAN'T get high anywhere on the streets no matter how much you beg and plead or even offer anyone that does get get you high with a freebie. i feel for ya. it's not right that ONLY stoners get what they want while high flyers get nothing but the fuck you!"
unlike those that take my stance against an unfair system as trolling, i DO believe in fairness and try to help stoners find good indicas when that's what they want or need. where were you all the times i've suggested NL#5 to stoners or hashberry & white castle to those looking for stankest strains?
i DEMAND a world where EVERYONE's needs are met, not just stoners. you might not like how sick and fucking tired i am of wasting thousands of dollars and 25 years buying greedy fucks SUVs and big screens, but nothing you can say to try and twist the facts or turn it into a popularity contest can change the FACT that virtually no one growing weed for profit has any real concern for public service and superior product when it affects their bottom line. no one that's ever stolen my money has ever gotten me high since the mid 80s and no one that has gotten me high (very rare) has ever taken a penny from me or allowed me to buy from them.
if you defend the status quo, then you're just another fascist as far as i'm concerned or at the very least, a spineless sheep who never stands up for what's right ever and who attacks anyone who makes waves trying to fix things, kinda like fox news watching scumbag fidiots. LOL that's right, i'm a bleeding heart liberal do gooder, only unlike my "bretheren", i don't kiss ass and avoid confrontation thus enabling scum to feel empowered. the more power hungry you are in any way, the more i wanna be the one to knock you on your ass and put you in your place. i've stood my ground against CROWDS of bullies threatening to kill me more than once only to see the pieces of shit's resolve vanish once they see i'm not afraid and that i've marked the original instigator for death before the rest can finish me off. that's just the kind of person i am. the more a mob tries to flex on me, the deeper i dig my heels and say bring it bitch.
sativa smokers are actually in the MAJORITY BTW. given the choice, about 55% of people would rather get high and about 20% of us don't want anything to do with indicrap ever. sadly, a majority of THOSE people are go with the flow sellout sheep afraid to speak up & fight back against the forces of greed. i just have the kind of personality that i don't care how many assholes i gotta fight when i'm right and standing up for what's right never does anything but make stupid ass sheep rally against you protecting wolves. i have zero respect for authority and am no more impressed by mobs. the sad thing is instigators, the REAL trolls, who talk about people personally which you'll never see me do until someone tests my personal space, are snivelling cowards always looking for butt buddies trying to use fear and intimidation which just doesn't work on me.
if you don't believe in free speech, then you're just a commie fascist and probably prone to hate crimes. i don't have problems with anyone disagreeing with me and don't tie my entire self worth up into the things i love like so many others who take everything personal. if some despises sativas, that's their biz. i can have downright civil debates with anyone who disagrees with me until they try and make it personal as so many defenders of the evil greed empire do in their sheepish destroy all descent way. if you don't like my standing up for what's right, then quit doing what's wrong! it's that simple. i don't even tow the line for alleged friends and family. don't ever ask me to lie for you and if you get pissed because i won't, fuck you! you're no friend of mine! LOL a real friend would never ask such a thing.
poplars
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bro there is no degree.... its completely prohibitions fault.
if there were legalized weed, sativa and indica would have equal market opprotunities, it would be truly supply and demand, and trust me there are a lot more sativa lovers out there than you would think
.if it really went toe to toe, I bet there would be 60% indica buyers, 40% sativa. but that would fluctuate based on modern day marketing practices....
and you don't need to grow sativas indoors, after 1 or 2 generations of climatizing in an area (breeding the male and female in the same climate,) the seeds will flower out at the right times and produce amazing prime sativa bud. then there will always be imports from tropical areas.
thats how it would be if it were legalized.
but because of the prohibition... everything needs to be concentrated to a more potent smaller product..so it can be SMUGGLED.
sativa had to be bricked to be smuggled, and this wasn't ideal for consumers. indica buds are already like little rock pebbles, so they are more ideal for smuggling, that is why indica overtook sativa in the first place. that is the only reason, period.
bro there is no degree.... its completely prohibitions fault.
if there were legalized weed, sativa and indica would have equal market opprotunities, it would be truly supply and demand, and trust me there are a lot more sativa lovers out there than you would think
if it really went toe to toe, I bet there would be 60% indica buyers, 40% sativa. but that would fluctuate based on modern day marketing practices....
and you don't need to grow sativas indoors, after 1 or 2 generations of climatizing in an area (breeding the male and female in the same climate,) the seeds will flower out at the right times and produce amazing prime sativa bud. then there will always be imports from tropical areas.
thats how it would be if it were legalized.
but because of the prohibition... everything needs to be concentrated to a more potent smaller product..so it can be SMUGGLED.
sativa had to be bricked to be smuggled, and this wasn't ideal for consumers. indica buds are already like little rock pebbles, so they are more ideal for smuggling, that is why indica overtook sativa in the first place. that is the only reason, period.
The only problem with this guess, is that it is LEGAL in quite a few states. In the dispensaries in those states, people can walk into the dispensary and pick whichever type of weed they want, including PURE SATIVAS, yet if you look up the most popular strains sold in dispensaries, NONE are PURE SATIVAS. They arent affected by grow times, smuggling issues, or even price, people CHOOSE indica/hybrids over pure sativas hands-down. Yes there is a very very very small segment of the population who prefer Sativa, but the numbers dont lie. When given a choice, people tend to stay away from the pure sativas.
I like sativas, but I think some people tend to make them out to be what they are not. I am a much older guy and was around and a full time smoker in the late 70's through now. My uncle grew columbian gold exclusively until the mid 90's when he od'd on coke and his wife made him quit messing with EVERYTHING including weed and beer. It was OK, but nothing like what people try to make it out to be now. When we first brought it up through Mexico and back home in the late 70's I do remember distinctly, smoking two joints back to back and going swimming. It was pretty trippy, swimming in the pool felt like swimming through something solid, like ice or glass. After about two weeks of smoking it, it wasnt anything to write home about.
These days, my batches include 3 plants. One mostly sativa (70%+) one mostly indica (70% plus) and one balanced (60/40). My sativas are always my least popular grows, BY FAR.
So you guys keep making up numbers of how many people like sativa compared to other strains. Its funny how you guys throw numbers out there... FIFTY-FIVE PERCENT PREFER SATIVAS!!!!! Exactly where do those numbers come from? You guys go around polling people on the street? It damn sure doesnt come from dispensary information.
Brick Top
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Indicas played a large part in the vanishing of pure sativa strains.
If you go back to the 60's and much of the 70's, if not all of it in some areas, there was nothing but sativas, pure sativas, Mother Nature's creation sativas. They ranged anywhere from pretty darn good to OH MY GOD, THIS SHIT IS BEYOND AMAZING.
Then the commercial growers in Mexico and other countries learned of indicas and their heavier yields and faster flowering time and they started making mutt crosses.
As professional breeders made crosses they did better, but they also helped the true sativa go the way of the Dodo bird. Some initially worked only with sativas and Haze came to be and others made other sativa x sativa crosses, but more and more indica was slipped in to shorten the plants, shorten the flowering time and increase yield. To get those things the ceiling-less mind warping rocket-sled ride sativas lost that high octane boost and in it's place was a park your ass and do nothing but stare and gobble down burritos and Big Gulps effect.
As more and more people grew inside height became even more of a factor, so shorter plants were more in demand. And to get them, that meant more indica. Many of those indoor growers were 'businessmen' and the faster a crop could finish and they could be on the street peddling their product the more they liked it. So here comes indica to the rescue again. After all, what commercial grower wants a 80 or 115 or 150 day flowering time when they could instead grow something that would finish in 40 to 60 days?
Another factor was the fame of 'The Cup.' Well, what breeder can lay claim to greatness from a strain that God or Yahweh or evolution or intelligent design or Mother Nature or moon men created?
When you combine those things the market for a true sativa was small and there was little interest in breeders to search the world for pure sativas to then make seeds from to sell. The most interest they had in a pure sativa was to use it to cross with an indica or two, and for that in some cases just a male pure sativa or just a female pure sativa was acquired.
My generation cut their teeth on nothing but pure sativas. By the next generation they were teething on indica and didn't have the slightest idea of what a real true pure sativa could be like. Naturally they liked what they had, it got them stoned ..... but they did not have the experience of a true high to use as a comparative to judge which they actually liked better. So they just assumed that what they were smoking was the best, and that is also what they were being told of course by the people they were paying money to for seeds.
A few breeders hung on and were into quality first and offered pure sativas, but most alleged pure sativas that other breeders sold were anything but. Sadly, one after the other, most of those that had the Real McCoy vanished and most others dropped them from their lines, so they were no longer even offered to the public.
Indica, ignorance, indifference, incompetence and the changing marketplace (where fast and short became more important than 'the best') all but ended people having access to some of the most famous and very best strains that ever existed.
One of the real pleasures I used to get was when there were still a fair number of true pure sativas left to be found someone would PM me or post a message in a thread and say how their whole life everything was indica, indica, indica and they read what I had said about sativas and heard their fathers or uncles or some older guys they knew talk about them and they tried some and said they never knew what they were missing and that they would never go back to indicas. That doesn't happen all that often now because there are fewer places for people to go to get the real deal.
I would give just about anything to be able to borrow Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine for a day or three so I could go back to the 60's and 70's and collect sacks of seeds from the best strains of pot I have ever smoked and then bring them back with me. If I could do that I would never pay so much as a single penny to any breeder for any strain for the rest of my life.
As the song lyrics go, video killed the radio star, and indica pretty much did the same thing to sativa. Not because it was better. But instead, only because it was more marketable.
Tuco420
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That pretty much sums it up for me in one line!
poplars
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it doesn't seem that with either of your guyses long winded posts you actually understood​ what I said.
it wasn't indicas fault, it was prohibition. I'll keep repeating it till I die.
and as far as actual numbers of sativa lovers, yeah I pretty much guessed on that one, I have no idea how many are /truly/ out there. only in a truly legalized system could we actually see such results. there are a lot of things being held back in this current system.
it wasn't indicas fault, it was prohibition. I'll keep repeating it till I die.
and as far as actual numbers of sativa lovers, yeah I pretty much guessed on that one, I have no idea how many are /truly/ out there. only in a truly legalized system could we actually see such results. there are a lot of things being held back in this current system.
Nepaljam x Oaxaca
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The best pure sativas are african and mexican landraces.
here this site should help:
http://en.seedfinder.eu/search/
here this site should help:
http://en.seedfinder.eu/search/
hazey grapes
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fucking AWESOME reply brick top! you're my hero! LOL
you might not be able to go back and collect the classics, but there's still some pretty DECENT stuff around. kali mist is NOT shabby by a longshot, durban poison has the exotic flavor thing going for it, haze skunk has crazy potency without any more couchlock than eyelid weight and i believe that ace's 17 week haze is phenominal as probably are a few others' 12+ week strains. that gage green columbian gold looks like what i really want to test though black haze and panama red sound authentic at one site given the thumbs up here and even though you don't like nirvana, their highland thai eldorado acts just like the fussy bitch IBL, is reported to truly be trippy by one grower who's finished it and i'll swear on the bible right now if you cut it down right at the start of flowering when a branch hermies and pan fry the leaflet and budlet trim you WILL smell REAL tutti fruity. OMG i've never smelled anything so delicious that had THC! i only wish it filled out enough that i got to taste it.
i ASPIRE to your level of pot snobbery! LOL some hybrids are more than good enough for me. as long as i'm not couchlocked, i'm cool with just euphoria and/or motivation with any trippiness over that being icing on the munchies cake.
i'm not hearing your feeble apologist excuse. YES, prohibition created the indoor scene, BUT even at the beginning, skunk #1 was available at the very first seedbanks. i should know, i had two super sativa seed club (really an entirely hybridized line that i KNEW wouldn't impress me when they kept telling me i'd be happy with "skunk #1" when i already knew skunks = SCHWAG!) catalogues and only ONE grower that i dealt with for a while even grew that and EVERTHING else was monoculture afghani, afghani & nothing but afghani as the bag appeal myth had been absorbed by sheep and warehouse growers got porsches. i bought the first catalogue with it's white elephant sticker (anyone remember those?) within a year of the afghani invasion as it instantly pissed me off, especially after seeing $40 a QUARTER bags of gold turn into WTF?! you gotta be kidding me! $50 EIGHTHS! i had to buy a few high times to figure out exactly WTF happened until i ordered a catalogue and eventually argued with some guy named keese about skunk #1. it turned out i was right! skunk #1 would have pissed me off, but when i finally DID get to try some a decade later, it WAS better than beasters but no better than acceptable because of them.
even now, you can't get weed that gets you high when everyone's heard of blueberry, bubblegum, white widow, diesel (yuck!), AK-47 & G13 etc. though you don't see those much even in better markets than NY state. it's not like the people that are getting that can't figure out that jack herer, C99, A11, jack the ripper, kali mist & even super silver haze etc. all smoke better. the gear is out there and it CAN be done! all it takes is to let go of some of that "gotta grow more ASAP... gotta perpetuate the bag appeal myth" greed and decide you want to grow something connoisseur grade.
the demand is there. the bag appeal myth is a lie! a little more than half of smokers would rather get high than stoned so any claims of "if i grew sativas, no one would want them" is pure BS! if anything, you turn old schoolers back on to getting high and noobs too, you won't be able to keep the shit around long enough and will only have your phone ringing off the hook by peeps offering to trade their sister for your gear and maybe THAT'S why dealers like indicas... they keep the customers too stoned and indifferent to make much noise. LOL wow! did i just have an epiphany? i could see how dealers wouldn't want to create a circle of quality obsessed pot snobs making demands.
i get a little beef from IBL lovers here for "selling out to hybrids" because they're growing landraces indoors! haze skunk & 8 miles highs more than good enough for me any day though & still i'm looking for better.
your argument is moot. nowadays prohibition has NADA to do with indica dominance as it's just as illegal as sativa AND it's more likely to push you over that do not tread 50 plants mark. it's simply about YIELD. sativas take longer and yield fluffier and growers only want to compete in the "big sticky bud" department. prohibition created the indica market, but it's the dealers that have clung to that get rich quick mentality like gospel refusing to aim higher.
if you try and say sativas and especially better sativa dominants can't be grown indoors, get ready for a shout down i'll watch quietly. LOL where there's a will, there's a way. when my SCROG is done, i'll have an "i told you so!" and i expect to get a yield close to what a cash crapper gets, only in a longer time frame as sativas claim 500g per meter square yields and i've seen up to 700 where 350 grams is about the average for cash crapping indicas, or at least the low end. i'm hoping to get just that out of my 2 or so square meters but hope for more which will just be butter. 1,400 grams would be sick. if i had that, i'd switch to IBLs and go for the gold... columbian that is.
you might not be able to go back and collect the classics, but there's still some pretty DECENT stuff around. kali mist is NOT shabby by a longshot, durban poison has the exotic flavor thing going for it, haze skunk has crazy potency without any more couchlock than eyelid weight and i believe that ace's 17 week haze is phenominal as probably are a few others' 12+ week strains. that gage green columbian gold looks like what i really want to test though black haze and panama red sound authentic at one site given the thumbs up here and even though you don't like nirvana, their highland thai eldorado acts just like the fussy bitch IBL, is reported to truly be trippy by one grower who's finished it and i'll swear on the bible right now if you cut it down right at the start of flowering when a branch hermies and pan fry the leaflet and budlet trim you WILL smell REAL tutti fruity. OMG i've never smelled anything so delicious that had THC! i only wish it filled out enough that i got to taste it.
i ASPIRE to your level of pot snobbery! LOL some hybrids are more than good enough for me. as long as i'm not couchlocked, i'm cool with just euphoria and/or motivation with any trippiness over that being icing on the munchies cake.
AGAIN you're twisting the facts acting like it's impossible to grow sativas indoors, probably learned with all of the other brainwashing that tells you what "bag appeal" means. you CAN very easily grow kickass bud indoors that smokes very much like pure sativa. haze skunk kicks the living shit out of ANY of the schwag purveyors of schwag have stolen money from me for.
i'm not hearing your feeble apologist excuse. YES, prohibition created the indoor scene, BUT even at the beginning, skunk #1 was available at the very first seedbanks. i should know, i had two super sativa seed club (really an entirely hybridized line that i KNEW wouldn't impress me when they kept telling me i'd be happy with "skunk #1" when i already knew skunks = SCHWAG!) catalogues and only ONE grower that i dealt with for a while even grew that and EVERTHING else was monoculture afghani, afghani & nothing but afghani as the bag appeal myth had been absorbed by sheep and warehouse growers got porsches. i bought the first catalogue with it's white elephant sticker (anyone remember those?) within a year of the afghani invasion as it instantly pissed me off, especially after seeing $40 a QUARTER bags of gold turn into WTF?! you gotta be kidding me! $50 EIGHTHS! i had to buy a few high times to figure out exactly WTF happened until i ordered a catalogue and eventually argued with some guy named keese about skunk #1. it turned out i was right! skunk #1 would have pissed me off, but when i finally DID get to try some a decade later, it WAS better than beasters but no better than acceptable because of them.
even now, you can't get weed that gets you high when everyone's heard of blueberry, bubblegum, white widow, diesel (yuck!), AK-47 & G13 etc. though you don't see those much even in better markets than NY state. it's not like the people that are getting that can't figure out that jack herer, C99, A11, jack the ripper, kali mist & even super silver haze etc. all smoke better. the gear is out there and it CAN be done! all it takes is to let go of some of that "gotta grow more ASAP... gotta perpetuate the bag appeal myth" greed and decide you want to grow something connoisseur grade.
the demand is there. the bag appeal myth is a lie! a little more than half of smokers would rather get high than stoned so any claims of "if i grew sativas, no one would want them" is pure BS! if anything, you turn old schoolers back on to getting high and noobs too, you won't be able to keep the shit around long enough and will only have your phone ringing off the hook by peeps offering to trade their sister for your gear and maybe THAT'S why dealers like indicas... they keep the customers too stoned and indifferent to make much noise. LOL wow! did i just have an epiphany? i could see how dealers wouldn't want to create a circle of quality obsessed pot snobs making demands.
i get a little beef from IBL lovers here for "selling out to hybrids" because they're growing landraces indoors! haze skunk & 8 miles highs more than good enough for me any day though & still i'm looking for better.
your argument is moot. nowadays prohibition has NADA to do with indica dominance as it's just as illegal as sativa AND it's more likely to push you over that do not tread 50 plants mark. it's simply about YIELD. sativas take longer and yield fluffier and growers only want to compete in the "big sticky bud" department. prohibition created the indica market, but it's the dealers that have clung to that get rich quick mentality like gospel refusing to aim higher.
if you try and say sativas and especially better sativa dominants can't be grown indoors, get ready for a shout down i'll watch quietly. LOL where there's a will, there's a way. when my SCROG is done, i'll have an "i told you so!" and i expect to get a yield close to what a cash crapper gets, only in a longer time frame as sativas claim 500g per meter square yields and i've seen up to 700 where 350 grams is about the average for cash crapping indicas, or at least the low end. i'm hoping to get just that out of my 2 or so square meters but hope for more which will just be butter. 1,400 grams would be sick. if i had that, i'd switch to IBLs and go for the gold... columbian that is.
poplars
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you know it would be easier to actually pay attention to what you're saying if it wasn't like a huge speech every time you talk.
I'm under no delusions about not being able to grow sativas indoors, I am an outdoor grower with no desire to grow indoor sativa PERIOD. I'll grow it outdoors.
and I"m pretty much too tired to hear the rest of your misinterpretation of my statement.
and if you read my statements, hard, you will find I never actually said you can't grow sativas indoors.
I'm under no delusions about not being able to grow sativas indoors, I am an outdoor grower with no desire to grow indoor sativa PERIOD. I'll grow it outdoors.
and I"m pretty much too tired to hear the rest of your misinterpretation of my statement.
and if you read my statements, hard, you will find I never actually said you can't grow sativas indoors.
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