You seam to be so sure that Cannabinoids don't cure cancer?
Yup. I'm 100% sure that cannabinoids DO NOT CURE CANCER.
Not even a little bit.
Not even "some" cancers.
Furthermore, its not up to me to prove I'm right. That cannabis CANNOT cure cancer is the default position. Again, we know that cannabis has been deliberately cultivated by human beings for literally all of recorded human history. Cancer patients have been using it for literally all of recorded human history too. Its been widely used as medicine all over the globe for tens of thousands of years, including within the United States, and it still is! So if cannabis extracts could actually cure cancer, this "fact" would have been discovered decades ago, if not centuries ago.
If you're going to make the rather extraordinary claim that its possible to cure cancer (ANY cancer) with cannabinoids, you're going to need some rather convincing proof, not half-assed assertions from crackpot websites.
But there is proof, harvard study in 2007
If you want to cite a scientific reference, you'll need to be more specific. There were thousands (if not tens of thousands) of pieces of literature published at the Harvard University in 2007. Which one(s) are you talking about?
and Madrid universitystudy by Dr Manuel Guzman in 2000.
THIS Dr. Guzman?
Nat Rev Cancer. 2003 Oct;3(10):745-55.
Cannabinoids: potential anticancer agents.
Guzmán M.
Source
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology I, School of Biology, Complutense University, 28040 Madrid, Spain.
[email protected]
Abstract
Cannabinoids - the active components of Cannabis sativa and their derivatives - exert palliative effects in cancer patients by preventing nausea, vomiting and pain and by stimulating appetite. In addition, these compounds have been shown to inhibit the growth of tumour cells in culture and animal models by modulating key cell-signalling pathways. Cannabinoids are usually well tolerated, and do not produce the generalized toxic effects of conventional chemotherapies.
So, could cannabinoids be used to develop new anticancer therapies?
It seems plain to me that as recently as 2003 (which is three years after any article from 2000), Dr. Guzman of the University of Madrid, DOES NOT "know" that cannabinoids are effective anti-cancer agents. He's speculating that this MIGHT be true, and asking the question.
Note that nobody (at least nobody who is medically savvy) is saying that cannabis doesn't have potentially useful medical effects, exactly as Dr. Guzman describes above. But relieving some of the symptoms of cancer, and actually eradicating tumors are two totally different things.
THC eats tumors in huge dosages as one can get by ingesting cannabis oil. Cannabis science Inc are on the verge of releasing a biopsy that proves their cannabis oil has cured 1 patient and pictures show the reduction of tumor size in two others who are currently undergoing treatment for skin cancer. People like you spreading false infomation put people off from trying it.
You mean to say, I'm sparing really sick people from being deceived by crackpots who don't even go to the trouble of conducting proper peer-reviewed medical studies?
Are you aware that 50% of basal cell skin cancers are CURED by simple biopsy? Apparently "Cannabis Science" is NOT, because if they were, they wouldn't publish the garbage you cited.
Poorly sourced case reports don't prove ANYTHING. Show me a double-blinded placebo controlled clinical study demonstrating the efficacy of topical cannabinoids in treating human tumors and then we'll have something to talk about. Hell, show me ANY true prospective clinical study showing a tumor-shrinking effect of cannabinoids in human beings and we'll have something to talk about.
It may not work on all types of cancer and might not help everyone but it has been curing cancer and scientific studies have proved it. I know someone who is using it currently and has reduced his brain tumor.
Even stipulating that you know someone with a brain tumor that's become smaller on imaging studies, how can you positively attribute that change to cannabinoids? Are you aware that steroids can shrink certain brain tumors, as can any number of other medications? Is your friend *ONLY* taking cannabinoids, and NO other medications? Are you aware that certain tumors will shrink all by themselves with NO external treatment as they outgrow their blood supply?
This oil would ruin pharmaceutical companies, it helps with so many illnesses. How could they charge what they wanted? No one can patent cannabinoids, their natural. So many companies would make it and out-price eachother until the cost is lowered to its true earthly market value which would be the same cost as corn or soya. And many would grow their own and make their own oil, no need for laboratory made treatments. This oil makes people healthy and they wouldnt need alot of medication which people use today. Pharmaceutial industry would be bankrupt.
Again, this is simply not true.
Even if cannabinoids actually could cure cancer (which again, they CAN'T), the drug companies still make all sorts of other useful drugs too! Can your MJ extract work as an antibiotic? Can it reduce blood pressure? Can it INCREASE blood pressure? Can it lower cholesterol? Can it reduce gastric acid secretion? Etc, etc, etc. If it can't do ALL these things, and do them BETTER than existing drugs, then I don't think the drug companies have anything to worry about!
Now, assuming the stuff actually WORKED, cannabis extract would ALREADY be in wide use by cancer patients, who bluntly don't give a rat's ass what the law says about cannabis use. If the current pharm houses didn't want to provide it, someone else would. Believe me, if you can buy pharmaceutical grade heroin on the street, it should be TRIVIAL to buy pharmaceutical grade "anti-cancer cannabis" juice.
More to the point, if the stuff actually WORKED, nobody need be "ruined". . .the pharmaceutical houses would still make money selling it. Again, aspirin literally costs fractions of a cent per dose, but drug houses still make money selling it.
