Need some advice on flushing?

ddimebag

ddimebag

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Harrekin said:
No it's genuinely bullshit, ask any of the Harvest and Curing section mods.

EDIT: Extra resin to stop itself drying out?! And you'd believe that bullshit over the facts I posted above? Welcome to noob land my friend, if you wanna believe the bullshit go ahead, but you're just wasting water and starving your plant.

DOUBLE EDIT: Carbs stored in the roots...I genuinely cannot stop laughing at this shit!
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First of all, why are you so aggressive, dude? Second, carbs ARE stored in roots...lol...
Unlike you, I actually have proof to back up my claims:

"Plants store excess sugars in the root or stem system in order to have backup energy in the case of a cloudy day..." from http://www.gardenguides.com/video-57704-plants-store-excess-sugar.html

"Plants store their energy in the form of starch in roots and underground stem." from http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081024084321AArYDeL

"What is the root of a plant? The roots of plants are their warehouses and serve three primary functions: they anchor the plant, absorb water and minerals for use by the plant and store food reserves." from http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/children-in-the-garden/plant-roots.htm

It's logical if you think about it...potatoes have a lot of starch in them (which is a carbohydrate). They grow ON THE ROOTS so that they can store all the extra carbs that the roots can't handle.

Do I REALLY need to go on?

Also, if by "facts" you mean

"-You cant flush nutrients out of a plant, its not a toilet.
-You're just starving the plant.
-Nutrients arnt stored in buds.
-Nutrients dont cause bad burning/tasting weed.
-Pre-harvest flushing is bullshit and a myth."

then yes, I DO believe the plants would produce extra resin to protect themselves from drought. Those aren't facts and you didn't even provide any evidence to support your point of view or any explanation behind your reasoning.

Flushing nutrients out of the plant is not possible and insn't even the point of flushing. The point is to flush out chemical salts (which are unhealthy to smoke and taste bad) and excess nutrients out of the SOIL, so that the plant uses up it's remaining nutrient reserves. If you think nutes don't taste bad, I'd like to see you try to sprinkle some dried fertilizer on your buds before you smoke them...

I have background in Biology and Biochemistry, so I have some idea of what i am talking about...you, on the other hand seem both clueless AND ignorant...you really don't come across as any kind of expert to be making claims such as "flushing is a bullshit myth made by people listening to people listening to people."
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
ddimebag said:
First of all, why are you so aggressive, dude? Second, carbs ARE stored in roots...lol...
Unlike you, I actually have proof to back up my claims:

"Plants store excess sugars in the root or stem system in order to have backup energy in the case of a cloudy day..." from http://www.gardenguides.com/video-57704-plants-store-excess-sugar.html

"Plants store their energy in the form of starch in roots and underground stem." from http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081024084321AArYDeL

"What is the root of a plant? The roots of plants are their warehouses and serve three primary functions: they anchor the plant, absorb water and minerals for use by the plant and store food reserves." from http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/children-in-the-garden/plant-roots.htm

It's logical if you think about it...potatoes have a lot of starch in them (which is a carbohydrate). They grow ON THE ROOTS so that they can store all the extra carbs that the roots can't handle.

Do I REALLY need to go on?

Also, if by "facts" you mean

"-You cant flush nutrients out of a plant, its not a toilet.
-You're just starving the plant.
-Nutrients arnt stored in buds.
-Nutrients dont cause bad burning/tasting weed.
-Pre-harvest flushing is bullshit and a myth."

then yes, I DO believe the plants would produce extra resin to protect themselves from drought. Those aren't facts and you didn't even provide any evidence to support your point of view or any explanation behind your reasoning.

Flushing nutrients out of the plant is not possible and insn't even the point of flushing. The point is to flush out chemical salts (which are unhealthy to smoke and taste bad) and excess nutrients out of the SOIL, so that the plant uses up it's remaining nutrient reserves. If you think nutes don't taste bad, I'd like to see you try to sprinkle some dried fertilizer on your buds before you smoke them...

I have background in Biology and Biochemistry, so I have some idea of what i am talking about...you, on the other hand seem both clueless AND ignorant...you really don't come across as any kind of expert to be making claims such as "flushing is a bullshit myth made by people listening to people listening to people."
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We all have a "background" in biology, the rest of us don't pretend to have a formal education by stating we've a "background" in it.

Ok I'll bite tho, where do the elements in the plant "go" when you flush the soil? How exactly are they "used up"?

How does translocating nutrients from a leaf to a bud reduce the level of "chemicals" in the bud as opposed to add more to it?

Why do some flushers believe organics don't need a flush when on a chemical level they're the same elements just arranged differenly on a molecular level to "chemical" ferts.

Why is flushing a cannabis industry specific activity?

Noone from the flusher side ever answers these simple questions
 
bigv1976

bigv1976

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Lets not forget that every reputable grower that has any sort of respect flushes. I have never once read anywhere but here that you dont need to flush to produce top quality bud.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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bigv1976 said:
Lets not forget that every reputable grower that has any sort of respect flushes. I have never once read anywhere but here that you dont need to flush to produce top quality bud.
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So you're a sheep then? Lemming perhaps? If 51% of people told you you could fly would it make them correct?

EDIT:The problem is these websites to an extent, people learn to grow plants here from scratch instead of knowing how to grow tomatoes, etc first.
 
bigv1976

bigv1976

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Harrekin said:
So you're a sheep then? Lemming perhaps? If 51% of people told you you could fly would it make them correct?

EDIT:The problem is these websites to an extent, people learn to grow plants here from scratch instead of knowing how to grow tomatoes, etc first.
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Youre an idiot dude.
 
ddimebag

ddimebag

Active Member
Harrekin said:
We all have a "background" in biology, the rest of us don't pretend to have a formal education by stating we've a "background" in it.

Ok I'll bite tho, where do the elements in the plant "go" when you flush the soil? How exactly are they "used up"?

How does translocating nutrients from a leaf to a bud reduce the level of "chemicals" in the bud as opposed to add more to it?

Why do some flushers believe organics don't need a flush when on a chemical level they're the same elements just arranged differenly on a molecular level to "chemical" ferts.

Why is flushing a cannabis industry specific activity?

Noone from the flusher side ever answers these simple questions
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Ok I'll bite tho, where do the elements in the plant "go" when you flush the soil? How exactly are they "used up"?

When you flush your plant, the nutrients are leached out of the soil, forcing the plant to use up its reserves. The nutrients stored in the plant are used up in metabolic processes which keep the plant alive. I think this would be quite obvious to anyone who knows anything about growing anything... Of course you will probably demand a detailed description of the metabolic pathways, just you can "prove" that flushing is BS...

"How does translocating nutrients from a leaf to a bud reduce the level of "chemicals" in the bud as opposed to add more to it?"

I don't understand what you are talking about. You don't move nutes from leaf to bud when flushing...or ever...


Why do some flushers believe organics don't need a flush when on a chemical level they're the same elements just arranged differenly on a molecular level to "chemical" ferts.

They can believe what they want to believe...and it makes sense too... the ARRANGEMENT of atoms is at least as important as what the atoms actually are (in some cases even more important). An example off the top of my head, acrylamide is a very dangerous neurotoxin, but its polymer (several acrylamide molecules put together) polyacrylamide is perfectly safe. They are made up of the exact same elements, and even the arrangement is almost identical, but they have very different properties. Organic fertilizers are only taken up when the plant needs them, unlike chemical fertilizers. Growers who grow organic and in soil can just feed their plant with plain water for a week/week and a half before harvest. This wouldn't compromise the quality of the cannabis enough for anyone to notice.


Why is flushing a cannabis industry specific activity?

It's not...i can't believe no one mentioned this yet...here's a link to a page that confirms this...It took me all of two minutes to find it, and I'm sure I can find more if i wanted to...
http://www.jasons-indoor-guide-to-organic-and-hydroponics-gardening.com/organic-nutrients-and-flushing-crops.html

and if you are too lazy to actually go there, here is a quote:
"if we are using bio / organic nutes for lettuce, spinach, strawberries and other stuff do we really need to flush them??"

"flushing your garden plants removes excess Nitrogen and Phosphorus compounds from the tissue of the plants. It is debatable just how much of a health concern these substances are. It is the Nitrogen compounds (Nitrates) in hot dogs, for example, that are responsible for the increased occurrence of colon cancer in people who eat hot dogs every week."

"It may be of some health benefit to flush any garden produce you grow....it's just very hard to say for sure. One thing for certain- when garden produce is flushed before harvest it does improve the taste of the produce. This may be less of a concern with organic fertilizers than with chemical fertilizers (organic fertilizers tend to grow sweeter, more flavorful produce to begin with)."

Lastly,

"We all have a "background" in biology, the rest of us don't pretend to have a formal education by stating we've a "background" in"

I am not pretending to have a formal education in Biochemistry, I'm SAYING it. By the sound of your posts, you are the one doing the pretending...
 
YoungAndAmbitious

YoungAndAmbitious

Member
thank you ddimebag! Finally hitting harrekin with the knowledge his distraught mind needed. RIU could use more people like you. + rep for actually siting and bringing legitimate scientific info to this thread. not to be all up on your dick but wow its refreshing.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
ddimebag said:
Ok I'll bite tho, where do the elements in the plant "go" when you flush the soil? How exactly are they "used up"?

When you flush your plant, the nutrients are leached out of the soil, forcing the plant to use up its reserves. The nutrients stored in the plant are used up in metabolic processes which keep the plant alive. I think this would be quite obvious to anyone who knows anything about growing anything... Of course you will probably demand a detailed description of the metabolic pathways, just you can "prove" that flushing is BS...

"How does translocating nutrients from a leaf to a bud reduce the level of "chemicals" in the bud as opposed to add more to it?"

I don't understand what you are talking about. You don't move nutes from leaf to bud when flushing...or ever...


Why do some flushers believe organics don't need a flush when on a chemical level they're the same elements just arranged differenly on a molecular level to "chemical" ferts.

They can believe what they want to believe...and it makes sense too... the ARRANGEMENT of atoms is at least as important as what the atoms actually are (in some cases even more important). An example off the top of my head, acrylamide is a very dangerous neurotoxin, but its polymer (several acrylamide molecules put together) polyacrylamide is perfectly safe. They are made up of the exact same elements, and even the arrangement is almost identical, but they have very different properties. Organic fertilizers are only taken up when the plant needs them, unlike chemical fertilizers. Growers who grow organic and in soil can just feed their plant with plain water for a week/week and a half before harvest. This wouldn't compromise the quality of the cannabis enough for anyone to notice.


Why is flushing a cannabis industry specific activity?

It's not...i can't believe no one mentioned this yet...here's a link to a page that confirms this...It took me all of two minutes to find it, and I'm sure I can find more if i wanted to...
http://www.jasons-indoor-guide-to-organic-and-hydroponics-gardening.com/organic-nutrients-and-flushing-crops.html

and if you are too lazy to actually go there, here is a quote:
"if we are using bio / organic nutes for lettuce, spinach, strawberries and other stuff do we really need to flush them??"

"flushing your garden plants removes excess Nitrogen and Phosphorus compounds from the tissue of the plants. It is debatable just how much of a health concern these substances are. It is the Nitrogen compounds (Nitrates) in hot dogs, for example, that are responsible for the increased occurrence of colon cancer in people who eat hot dogs every week."

"It may be of some health benefit to flush any garden produce you grow....it's just very hard to say for sure. One thing for certain- when garden produce is flushed before harvest it does improve the taste of the produce. This may be less of a concern with organic fertilizers than with chemical fertilizers (organic fertilizers tend to grow sweeter, more flavorful produce to begin with)."

Lastly,

"We all have a "background" in biology, the rest of us don't pretend to have a formal education by stating we've a "background" in"

I am not pretending to have a formal education in Biochemistry, I'm SAYING it. By the sound of your posts, you are the one doing the pretending...
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All total BS, I'm not even gonna bother with your pseudo-science.

Flush or not folks, the kool-aid is there for you to choose to drink...I'll stick with growers like FDD, Riddlem3, Uncle Ben, the head of Sensi Seeds and my own experiences from trying it myself. I suppose everyone in that list is an "idiot who knows nothin about plants"?
 
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wbd

Well-Known Member
Harrekin said:
All total BS, I'm not even gonna bother with your pseudo-science.

Flush or not folks, the kool-aid is there for you to choose to drink...I'll stick with growers like FDD, Riddlem3, Uncle Ben, the head of Sensi Seeds and my own experiences from trying it myself. I suppose everyone in that list is an "idiot who knows nothin about plants"?
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Forgive me for having a good laugh at your world of "real" science where the "experts" exist on internet forums and are known only by their fake names. :)
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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wbd said:
Forgive me for having a good laugh at your world of "real" science where the "experts" exist on internet forums and are known only by their fake names. :)
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Results stand for themselves, regardless of what name they post under ;)

Edit: Found a pic of one of Uncle Bens plants, this is why I believe what he says...and yes, that is a sativa...

Uncle Ben said:
Yes, annuals are different than perennials.

I have topped Dalat Viet. sativa indoors at least 8 times, probably 5 time during flowering with an incredible yield. Colas got so heavy I held them up with dog chains. Here's a side shot under HPS. Topped to 4 main colas and then topped again and again.

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hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Lol this is to funny you can show as many pics of uncle ben plants and I can show you one or too just as good thats flushed!

And why show bens stuff? Wheres your stuff! Hahaha
 
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wbd

Well-Known Member
Harrekin said:
Results stand for themselves, regardless of what name they post under ;)

Edit: Found a pic of one of Uncle Bens plants, this is why I believe what he says...and yes, that is a sativa...
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I don't see your point. Have you ever smoked Uncle Ben's weed?

(rhetorical question, your answer is no)

Then how would you possibly know whether his buds are of superior taste and smoke? That plant sure looks nice but there are many steps left to final product, and a lot of fucking up for him to do.
 
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