Right to Work

[merkzilla]

This country has a long history with such anti-union laws. Most states with these measures are in the West or the South, such as Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas, and have lower wages and a poorer quality of life.
A better name for Vos' proposal would be "race to the bottom." Here's why.
• So-called right-to-work states have lower wages.
Good wages and benefits are key to quality of life - both to support families and to provide a reliable tax base for education, infrastructure and public services. Yet the annual median income in right-to-work states is $6,185 less than in other states, according to 2009 U.S. Census Bureau data.
What's more, these anti-union states tend to have higher poverty rates, less access to health care and lower-performing schools. In the Annie E. Casey Foundation's well-respected "Kids Count" survey, the three worst states for children are in right-to-work states and the three best all allow workers to form strong unions.
Would you rather have your child go to the University of Wisconsin or the University of Mississippi? Would you prefer to raise a family in Mississippi, where the 2009 child poverty rate was 31%, or in Wisconsin, where it was 16.7%?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/112101464.html

According to the CWI for 2012, the worst state for children is actually New Mexico which isn't right to work. Of the top 10 states in the index, 3 were right to work which isn't really great. Following the index to an index value of 0 you get about 7 of the right to work states. Not really all that great.

http://fcd-us.org/sites/default/files/STATE CWI Report.pdf

I'd have to read more to get a better picture, but the biggest factor in how they calculate these numbers is taxes spent on children.

 

[londonfog]

According to the CWI for 2012, the worst state for children is actually New Mexico which isn't right to work. Of the top 10 states in the index, 3 were right to work which isn't really great. Following the index to an index value of 0 you get about 7 of the right to work states. Not really all that great.

http://fcd-us.org/sites/default/files/STATE CWI Report.pdf

I'd have to read more to get a better picture, but the biggest factor in how they calculate these numbers is taxes spent on children.

where did you get the states for 2012 ??? the link you gave is a chart for 2007 in which of the last 10 states on the chart.. 8 are RTW states. In fact the chart starting on page 6 reflects that RTW states sucks when it comes to over all childs well-being

 

[merkzilla]

where did you get the states for 2012 ??? the link you gave is a chart for 2007 in which of the last 10 states on the chart.. 8 are RTW states. In fact the chart starting on page 6 reflects that RTW states sucks when it comes to over all childs well-being

It's the 2012 study, data is from 2007 which is the only full data they could get (they explain that in the beginning). Page 10 lists their conclusions for what needs to happen in the states with a low score to go up. The study is somewhat related to the one in the article you provided. The point being there are seven factors which are intertwined in one way or another with each other. Federal spending, social programs, education these are pretty big factors. Right to work may be part of the problem... but my point is that it's not the deciding factor on these.

 

[NoDrama]

The states with the lowest wages are in the south. Take a guess if they are right to work or not....They are all right to work and all fall at the bottom of wages paid out

hmm, well that's funny. The only state with full employment, a budget surplus and low taxes also just happens to be a RTW state. WTF do ya know? Hint: It isn't in the south.

 

[NoDrama]

It's the 2012 study, data is from 2007 which is the only full data they could get (they explain that in the beginning). Page 10 lists their conclusions for what needs to happen in the states with a low score to go up. The study is somewhat related to the one in the article you provided. The point being there are seven factors which are intertwined in one way or another with each other. Federal spending, social programs, education these are pretty big factors. Right to work may be part of the problem... but my point is that it's not the deciding factor on these.

Does any of the Conclusions they come up with to increase the score say that the state should unionize?

 

[merkzilla]

Does any of the Conclusions they come up with to increase the score say that the state should unionize?

Checked, couldn't find it. Dunno how reliable it is since it's not sponsored by unions though.

 

[NoDrama]

Checked, couldn't find it. Dunno how reliable it is since it's not sponsored by unions though.

Well certainly nothing give the impression of being on the up and up like a good Union backing does. Since a Union didn't back it, I say its just hog wash, must be. Tell London to find some real facts, ones with Union sponsorship.

 

[UncleBuck]

I do not have an opinion on the issue but am confused by your answer UB. You said, albeit in different order, "I think it should <be?> their choice", "I do not oppose right to work", but then "I would vote against right to work".

Doesn't add up for me lol

the most i would do to oppose right to work is vote against it. i wouldn't go any further with it, really. i'm certainly not gonna try to convince someone else since i am such a fence sitter myself.

 

[londonfog]

Unless you are a owner you would be rather foolish to vote for it..Its like voting against yourself. Don't scream foul when the boss fires your ass for NO REASON and then brings in someone that works for way less then you did.

 

[londonfog]

Well certainly nothing give the impression of being on the up and up like a good Union backing does. Since a Union didn't back it, I say its just hog wash, must be. Tell London to find some real facts, ones with Union sponsorship.

What are you babbling about ????

 

[londonfog]

Does any of the Conclusions they come up with to increase the score say that the state should unionize?

maybe if you could read charts and understand the findings you would see whats in front of you.

 

[UncleBuck]

Unless you are a owner you would be rather foolish to vote for it..Its like voting against yourself. Don't scream foul when the boss fires your ass for NO REASON and then brings in someone that works for way less then you did.

one of the employers i worked for had a practice of doing this, got them the official label of a "hostile employer". it meant that they had to give unemployment to anyone that didn't quit, which they tried their hardest to make happen every year around christmas time by stacking on mandatory OT and whatnot. if i had known this, i would have showed up to work butt naked and smoking a joint, sat down, took a call, and told the customer to go fuck himself. then i would have gone and collected 6 months of checks for my braveness.

 

[londonfog]

one of the employers i worked for had a practice of doing this, got them the official label of a "hostile employer". it meant that they had to give unemployment to anyone that didn't quit, which they tried their hardest to make happen every year around christmas time by stacking on mandatory OT and whatnot. if i had known this, i would have showed up to work butt naked and smoking a joint, sat down, took a call, and told the customer to go fuck himself. then i would have gone and collected 6 months of checks for my braveness.

Cutting hours usually will make a person quit. One week 40 then 20 then 15..then you hire someone for less pay to make up the difference in manpower hours...eventually the person that you are cutting hours will quit . RTW state that is perfectly legal..

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

Really awesome practice.
Start your business work week at 6am sunday morning Then have your employee come in on sunday. Then tell him to take off friday so he gets no overtime time and a half or double time

Ot tell a new employee that they get a week vacation after one year of service. When they ask for it, you show them the rule that they have to have that year in by January 1st in order to claim it. Which means unless you were hired on january 1st you have to wait 2 years to get a weeks vacation

 

[NoDrama]

maybe if you could read charts and understand the findings you would see whats in front of you.

Perhaps you can point out in the PDF where they talk about RTW states, that would be helpful.

 

[londonfog]

Really awesome practice.
Start your business work week at 6am sunday morning Then have your employee come in on sunday. Then tell him to take off friday so he gets no overtime time and a half or double time

Ot tell a new employee that they get a week vacation after one year of service. When they ask for it, you show them the rule that they have to have that year in by January 1st in order to claim it. Which means unless you were hired on january 1st you have to wait 2 years to get a weeks vacation

Yup sounds again like some Right To Work state shit... No Union means No representation, so a boss man can get away with just about anything...

 

[NoDrama]

Cutting hours usually will make a person quit. One week 40 then 20 then 15..then you hire someone for less pay to make up the difference in manpower hours...eventually the person that you are cutting hours will quit . RTW state that is perfectly legal..

That only works in the areas of UNSKILLED labor. They don't fire surgeons to hire HS dropouts.

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

That only works in the areas of UNSKILLED labor. They don't fire surgeons to hire HS dropouts.

Are nurses unskilled labor?

They are Unionized.

BTW does unskilled labor setup program and run million dollar machines with tens of thousands of dollars of tooling and castings that cost more than you make in a month?

 

[londonfog]

Perhaps you can point out in the PDF where they talk about RTW states, that would be helpful.

I'm sorry that you are unable to google RTW states/Union states. Then compare the states on the PDF charts that merkzilla linked to on page 6...Like I said learn to read charts against other information and you could understand whats in front of you . I thought you and I had an agreement that you would not talk about anything but finances and investment.

 

[NLXSK1]

• There is always someone who is better than you and cheaper willing to take your job.​

  
  
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Then why do I keep gaining customers???

Oh yeah, those guys that do it cheaper almost certainly dont do it better....

I work for myself and havent lost a job to an illegal any time in my life.