Is Cali Still Flooded?

[phishtank]

So I think I've decided to just start everything from seed....and then just see what grows vigorously and make it the mother plant. The problem it seems is finding the right strain. I can always get cali connection seeds...but all of those are strains that are everywhere. Shall we cross GDP and some pre-98 bubba??? lol. I'm going to be using that 4X4 tent for breeding....and will be keeping it FAR away from all of my ladies.

 

[tehgenoc1de]

Find something that's NOT in every dispensary. That way you're not spending time dialing in something that's all over.

 

[sfttailpaul]

I wouldn't plan on being able to unload product grown from cuts you get at dispensaries. If they have the cuts, chances are the same person who sold them those cuts also already sells them the nugs. For me, I'd either breed my own strain or at the very least pick seeds with quality genetics (and that doesn't mean Can. Cup Winners lol) whose seed stock are in limited numbers. At least then there is less of a chance for someone else to be growing the same strain. On top of that flower two packs or more to find the best pheno that will separate yourself from anyone else who is growing the same strain. Give it the right growing conditions and a quality cure and you at least give yourself a chance at unloading some product.

As far as the law goes, it depends on your perspective. There will be people who are petrified of going one leaf over whatever their plant limit is or even one gram over whatever their dried material limit is. And on the other hand there are people who will fill every room in a house up with plants, whether in a medical state or not. You need to decide for yourself what risks you're willing to take. With risk comes reward, remember that. I would feel more comfortable in my own house with a 6kw unregistered grow than one that is set up as a collective with the state. I can bring all my equipment in from out of state, go to the hydro store in a vehicle not registered in my name, and even unload my product by using someone else's car. The risks that I will encounter are my heat signature from the lights, my electricity usage, and those who wish to rob me. I am not concerned for my heat signature as they need a warrant to view it legally as FLIR cameras can be considered an invasive search. My electricity is not stolen, and my bills are paid so they electric co. has no need to nudge into my business. Robbers are the only thing that scare me. In WA I went threw hoops to make sure no one fallowed me home because people will try. So for me to have a 6kw grow is not a big deal, as I have not done anything to warrant somebody to look into my affairs.

With collectives you are on a list. An even shorter list than the one they keep for registered patients. So if the police or feds want someone to bust, they already know a good place to start looking. Record keeping is great for the state, but only provides the feds with more evidence against you. Growing for profit or non-profit is illegal either way under federal law, and the IRS will not hold any pitty for you either. Not to mention that with collectives more people are involved, and more people equals more lips. More lips means more words, and word gets around fast.

But things can go either way in this world. As an end to my rant, I'll share two life experiences. I had a friend (we no longer speak due to how he handled himself in this situation) who had some good Cali connects from his time in school there. When he moved back here, he started to have weed shipped over from Ca. to our area. Just an oz at a time, but they were coming in on a regular basis. The cops were called to a party he was having and arrested him for posession. It just so happened that this same day he recieved one of his special CA packages. Cops found it, and before they opened it he was already blabbing about his friend who worked a collective and would ship him weed per request. An investigation was opened, several packages were sent, and then the arrests were made. My friend got probation, and lives his life as normal and found someone else to send him weed. Our friends from CA, not so lucky.

On the flip side another aquaintance of mine was busted for a closet CFL grow when a a search warrant was served at his house for his girlfriend. The cops were not looking for pot, but a closed closet door can provicde space for someone to hide or in this case for plants to grow. Since it was a valid search warrant giving them permission to fully search the house, the bust stood in court and he was sentenced to two years.

Thank you for sharing all of that. Takes me back to when I first grew (late 70's). Upon getting AND reading (wish a lot of people here would do that 2) my "bible grow book" one thing that impressed me the most was that no one should know, not even a girlfriend. They come and go and Hell hath no fury...
Even in a medical state, I am paranoid 'cause the hood rats can smell the flowering stage and patiently wait. What am I gonna' do if 4-5 people show up with guns and demand my harvest? I am not dieing for this or any other foolish cause, although I probably would put some fight up (I'm Irish).
Funny thing (NOT) about a month ago, I came out of my flower room at about 3:00 AM (lights on 5 PM till 4AM) and there was a police helio'cop-ter buzzing over my building. Circled me 4-5 times real slow and scarred the $hit out of me; nothing else happened. BUT then the next night, a fire truck and police cars (2) races up and stops right in front of my building. Scarred again only to find out they had the correct address but the wrong street! PHEW. Still, "paranoia strikes deep..."

 

[Dan Kone]

So I think I've decided to just start everything from seed....and then just see what grows vigorously and make it the mother plant. The problem it seems is finding the right strain. I can always get cali connection seeds...but all of those are strains that are everywhere. Shall we cross GDP and some pre-98 bubba??? lol. I'm going to be using that 4X4 tent for breeding....and will be keeping it FAR away from all of my ladies.

Not a bad idea. Grow a room full of seeds out, cut clones of all of them, then keep the best one.

 

[Matt Rize]

Not a bad idea. Grow a room full of seeds out, cut clones of all of them, then keep the best one.

worked for me, rid that plushberry fad for a minute. purps and popular. lol

next up is a cherry cross from seed. its the year of cherries

 

[phishtank]

welp time to find some cherry strains then.....lol. I reckon if you mix the popular fad with an OG or some pre-98 people will eat it up because its something they knew was good...but has a popular twist?!

 

[collective gardener]

It seems like alot of people are making this thing more difficult than it needs to be. Crossing GDP with Pre-98? Instead, concentrate on just getting a real pre-98...one of the few strains that hasn't gone out of fashion. We just grow pre-98 and Tahoe OG. I have never had a problem unloading excess. BUT..these are LOW YIELDING STRAINS!!! If you're getting .5/watt you're doing ok. If you get .75 you are a God. People do not build resistance to REAL Pre-98. They just keep buying it. The problem is in finding a real cut. Most folks have abandoned the real strain due to low yield. For every 100 "Pre-98 Bubba Kush" cuts, one might be the real deal. There are so many counterfit cuts out there. It's seriously worse odds than groing from seed! The Tahoe is much easier to get ahold of. But, it's even lower yielding than the real Bubba. There are some higher yielding Tahoes out there, but they test in at under 20% THC. The 22% pheno is a low yielder. It took me 4 cycles testing the Tahoe till I ran a whole tray of it. That's 8 months R&D! That's what was needed to even get .5 g/watt! I hear alot about my low yields (no CO2), but we have never had any inventory. Our shit sells the day it's ready. We took a chance on low yielders and it's paid off.

 

[Dan Kone]

It seems like alot of people are making this thing more difficult than it needs to be. Crossing GDP with Pre-98? Instead, concentrate on just getting a real pre-98...one of the few strains that hasn't gone out of fashion. We just grow pre-98 and Tahoe OG. I have never had a problem unloading excess. BUT..these are LOW YIELDING STRAINS!!! If you're getting .5/watt you're doing ok. If you get .75 you are a God. People do not build resistance to REAL Pre-98. They just keep buying it. The problem is in finding a real cut. Most folks have abandoned the real strain due to low yield. For every 100 "Pre-98 Bubba Kush" cuts, one might be the real deal. There are so many counterfit cuts out there. It's seriously worse odds than groing from seed! The Tahoe is much easier to get ahold of. But, it's even lower yielding than the real Bubba. There are some higher yielding Tahoes out there, but they test in at under 20% THC. The 22% pheno is a low yielder. It took me 4 cycles testing the Tahoe till I ran a whole tray of it. That's 8 months R&D! That's what was needed to even get .5 g/watt! I hear alot about my low yields (no CO2), but we have never had any inventory. Our shit sells the day it's ready. We took a chance on low yielders and it's paid off.

No one gets tired of those strains. They will always be in demand for many obvious reasons.

I'd also argue that they aren't worth growing except for personal use.

Compare it to a strain that yields better but isn't quite as good, it looks like this. Say you're getting 3k a pack for pre98 and only getting 2.5k a pack for a strain that yields .75 g per watt. In a 20k system it looks like this.

Out of that system you're going to yield 10,000g of pre-98 bubba. That's 22 pounds. So you'd get 66k for the crop. The higher yielding strain will give you 15000g, or 33 lbs. You're getting $82.5k for that crop. -$2200 for the extra trimming you have to pay for and you're still over 80k. That's an extra $14k you're losing out on per crop by growing that. And there are some pretty decent strains out there capable of yielding .75g per watt. So even though you're selling the higher yielder at a significantly lower price, it's still nearly 25% more profitable.

In a previous thread you brought up platinium OG, which beats the crap out of tahoe OG and it's still a desirable strain. It still has 20%+ thc potential. Exactly how many people are going to notice any reduction in quality between platium OG and Tahoe OG? Maybe 1 out of 100. I think it's debatable if there is a quality difference at all. No one is going to complain about platinum OG. It's pretty awesome. The main difference between platinum and tahoe OG is not quality, it's that more people grow platinum og because it yields better. So is it worth you and your people taking a 25% pay cut over something no one is even going to notice? Basically you'd get more money for your buds and the collective's customers would pay less money for it. Win-win.

It's easy for a buyer to demand things like tahoe og. They aren't growing it. They aren't paying the electricity bills. All they know is they are less likely to have another vendor bring in tahoe OG than platinum OG, so they want you to grow the strain that is less available to them. It's a business decision more than a quality issue.

If I were you I'd try out a couple strains like that. See how much of a quality and yield difference you notice when grown by you in the same system you're growing the tahoe. I'd bet you'd switch if you tried out a strain like that.

 

[Dan Kone]

worked for me, rid that plushberry fad for a minute. purps and popular. lol

next up is a cherry cross from seed. its the year of cherries

cherries and cookies 2012!

 

[Dan Kone]

welp time to find some cherry strains then.....lol. I reckon if you mix the popular fad with an OG or some pre-98 people will eat it up because its something they knew was good...but has a popular twist?!

cherry pie is a cutting that is scarce, but if you keep your eyes open you'll eventually find it. It's out there and occasionally you'll find it at dispensaries. It's a very high demand strain. You could do a lot worse than vending cherry pie. Fantastic buds on that. mmmmmm

 

[theexpress]

It seems like alot of people are making this thing more difficult than it needs to be. Crossing GDP with Pre-98? Instead, concentrate on just getting a real pre-98...one of the few strains that hasn't gone out of fashion. We just grow pre-98 and Tahoe OG. I have never had a problem unloading excess. BUT..these are LOW YIELDING STRAINS!!! If you're getting .5/watt you're doing ok. If you get .75 you are a God. People do not build resistance to REAL Pre-98. They just keep buying it. The problem is in finding a real cut. Most folks have abandoned the real strain due to low yield. For every 100 "Pre-98 Bubba Kush" cuts, one might be the real deal. There are so many counterfit cuts out there. It's seriously worse odds than groing from seed! The Tahoe is much easier to get ahold of. But, it's even lower yielding than the real Bubba. There are some higher yielding Tahoes out there, but they test in at under 20% THC. The 22% pheno is a low yielder. It took me 4 cycles testing the Tahoe till I ran a whole tray of it. That's 8 months R&D! That's what was needed to even get .5 g/watt! I hear alot about my low yields (no CO2), but we have never had any inventory. Our shit sells the day it's ready. We took a chance on low yielders and it's paid off.

the bubba kush will always be highly sought after... i prefer it to an og... and lord knows i love me some fucking og kush...

 

[researchkitty]

Thanks

 

[STACKB]

Where the indoor og/blackberry/ forbidden fruit at ? hah..

 

[theexpress]

Careful there tiger, legal or not, cant trade/buy/offer/give seeds/plants/bud/hash/oil on the forums. Feel free to continue price discussions, but no RIU Hookups for now..........

yes maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam ... lol

 

[Perfextionist420]

Careful there tiger, legal or not, cant trade/buy/offer/give seeds/plants/bud/hash/oil on the forums. Feel free to continue price discussions, but no RIU Hookups for now..........

Yeah because that's illegal it's a shame because I happen to have a "friend" who would gladly buy at those prices... Cough cough not that I would condone such a thing

 

[STACKB]

haha , who cares bro,i never understood why ppl get mad? cause someone got the balls to do it? stay in your lane , and let others do their thang. lol

 

[collective gardener]

I wouldn't plan on being able to unload product grown from cuts you get at dispensaries. If they have the cuts, chances are the same person who sold them those cuts also already sells them the nugs. For me, I'd either breed my own strain or at the very least pick seeds with quality genetics (and that doesn't mean Can. Cup Winners lol) whose seed stock are in limited numbers. At least then there is less of a chance for someone else to be growing the same strain. On top of that flower two packs or more to find the best pheno that will separate yourself from anyone else who is growing the same strain. Give it the right growing conditions and a quality cure and you at least give yourself a chance at unloading some product.

As far as the law goes, it depends on your perspective. There will be people who are petrified of going one leaf over whatever their plant limit is or even one gram over whatever their dried material limit is. And on the other hand there are people who will fill every room in a house up with plants, whether in a medical state or not. You need to decide for yourself what risks you're willing to take. With risk comes reward, remember that. I would feel more comfortable in my own house with a 6kw unregistered grow than one that is set up as a collective with the state. I can bring all my equipment in from out of state, go to the hydro store in a vehicle not registered in my name, and even unload my product by using someone else's car. The risks that I will encounter are my heat signature from the lights, my electricity usage, and those who wish to rob me. I am not concerned for my heat signature as they need a warrant to view it legally as FLIR cameras can be considered an invasive search. My electricity is not stolen, and my bills are paid so they electric co. has no need to nudge into my business. Robbers are the only thing that scare me. In WA I went threw hoops to make sure no one fallowed me home because people will try. So for me to have a 6kw grow is not a big deal, as I have not done anything to warrant somebody to look into my affairs.

With collectives you are on a list. An even shorter list than the one they keep for registered patients. So if the police or feds want someone to bust, they already know a good place to start looking. Record keeping is great for the state, but only provides the feds with more evidence against you. Growing for profit or non-profit is illegal either way under federal law, and the IRS will not hold any pitty for you either. Not to mention that with collectives more people are involved, and more people equals more lips. More lips means more words, and word gets around fast.

But things can go either way in this world. As an end to my rant, I'll share two life experiences. I had a friend (we no longer speak due to how he handled himself in this situation) who had some good Cali connects from his time in school there. When he moved back here, he started to have weed shipped over from Ca. to our area. Just an oz at a time, but they were coming in on a regular basis. The cops were called to a party he was having and arrested him for posession. It just so happened that this same day he recieved one of his special CA packages. Cops found it, and before they opened it he was already blabbing about his friend who worked a collective and would ship him weed per request. An investigation was opened, several packages were sent, and then the arrests were made. My friend got probation, and lives his life as normal and found someone else to send him weed. Our friends from CA, not so lucky.

On the flip side another aquaintance of mine was busted for a closet CFL grow when a a search warrant was served at his house for his girlfriend. The cops were not looking for pot, but a closed closet door can provicde space for someone to hide or in this case for plants to grow. Since it was a valid search warrant giving them permission to fully search the house, the bust stood in court and he was sentenced to two years.

I'm interested in only 1 part of this: "With collectives you are on a list. An even shorter list than the one they keep for registered patients." What in the fuck are you talking about? Who is "they" in this sentence? I am a founding member of a 215 compliant Collective Association. There is no legal requirement for us to notify any entity of our formation or continued operation. This goes along the same urban legend BS as being a "registered grower". No such animal exists. Anyone interested in growing under the protection of a collective association should not listen to interweb BS. Instead, pay a lawyer who specializes in these laws to explain them to you. Otherwise you may end up another interweb educated jaw jacker.

 

[TheChosen]

lol wow forgot I posted all of that. It was a long and boring day at work.

If that's not true, then that is my mistake. I wasn't trying to misinform anyone, just stating was I was told and believed to be true. I would definitely not recommend for someone who is interested in opening a co op to believe or use anything law related they read on the net especially on these forums. I do not believe their is a registry for just growers, but I did honestly believe there was one for co ops. I read as much as I can for first hand knowlege, but as this was information given to me by someone who typically passes on valid and pertinent information. For my own benefit I will ask them why they told me this if it isn't true.

 

[collective gardener]

No one gets tired of those strains. They will always be in demand for many obvious reasons.

I'd also argue that they aren't worth growing except for personal use.

Compare it to a strain that yields better but isn't quite as good, it looks like this. Say you're getting 3k a pack for pre98 and only getting 2.5k a pack for a strain that yields .75 g per watt. In a 20k system it looks like this.

Out of that system you're going to yield 10,000g of pre-98 bubba. That's 22 pounds. So you'd get 66k for the crop. The higher yielding strain will give you 15000g, or 33 lbs. You're getting $82.5k for that crop. -$2200 for the extra trimming you have to pay for and you're still over 80k. That's an extra $14k you're losing out on per crop by growing that. And there are some pretty decent strains out there capable of yielding .75g per watt. So even though you're selling the higher yielder at a significantly lower price, it's still nearly 25% more profitable.

In a previous thread you brought up platinium OG, which beats the crap out of tahoe OG and it's still a desirable strain. It still has 20%+ thc potential. Exactly how many people are going to notice any reduction in quality between platium OG and Tahoe OG? Maybe 1 out of 100. I think it's debatable if there is a quality difference at all. No one is going to complain about platinum OG. It's pretty awesome. The main difference between platinum and tahoe OG is not quality, it's that more people grow platinum og because it yields better. So is it worth you and your people taking a 25% pay cut over something no one is even going to notice? Basically you'd get more money for your buds and the collective's customers would pay less money for it. Win-win.

It's easy for a buyer to demand things like tahoe og. They aren't growing it. They aren't paying the electricity bills. All they know is they are less likely to have another vendor bring in tahoe OG than platinum OG, so they want you to grow the strain that is less available to them. It's a business decision more than a quality issue.

If I were you I'd try out a couple strains like that. See how much of a quality and yield difference you notice when grown by you in the same system you're growing the tahoe. I'd bet you'd switch if you tried out a strain like that.

I, too, have done the math...all too many times. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you're aware, it's not just a matter of "let's grow and sell Plat OG now." First off I would need a great cut. We're not settup for too much testing and high grading. Therefore, I get most of my cuts from a friend who is settup for identifying great cuts. He's currently playing with a few higher yielding OG's, but nothing is ready yet. Once he's identified a couple winners he will give a few cuts to myself and 2 other grows for further test grows. After everyone has had a chance to grow out the new strains we will compare notes and decide which new strains to rotate into production. We have tested strains that grew perfect in one room, yet went total hermi in another.
Secondly, I cannot and will not just change strains on my market. Our current position is that everything is spoken for before it's even flushing. I like it that way. I'm done with cold calling dispensaries. So, before we change strains we want our members to weigh in on the new strains being tested. We'll package up large samples of the new test strains and get them into the hands of all our members. Everyone weighs in and everyone's opinion counts. If our members approve of the new potential strain, we put it into production. This way everyone knows it's coming months before hand. They've all tried it...liked it...and want more of it.
There's also the benefit of being able to say we grow the best weed around regardless of yield. While the high yielding Platinum OG may command a good price today, what will happen in 6 months? Commercial growers will jump on this strain like they did Blue Dream. I believe you yourself are having some trouble getting a good price for your Blue Dream...even though it tests out so well.
By operating this way we keep every member. While some will branch out for variety, most say our strains are their preferred smoke. While your calculations accurately reflect the lower cost of growing Plat vs. Tahoe, lower growing costs are not the only factor I'm dealing with. If I had a great Plat cut in my hand, I would start the process of switching strains. But...I don't have a cut....and we NEVER just go out and buy cuts available to the public. That's a major waste of time and lit area.

 

[collective gardener]

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