londonfog
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No link simple means you have ZERO credibility ... so cliffey do you have a link to this or did you hear this off another forum ???
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cliffey501
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Im getting my information from the police report.You on the other hand are just making shit up.You can't "smack the shit out of someone" ( as you put it) for following you.Ive posted several links in this thread most which have went by with little mention.Your camp on the other hand just keeps spouting the same things over and over with no factual evidence to back up your claims.
desert dude
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Interesting. I suggest you all read the transcripts then come back with your verdicts of guilty/not guilty.
londonfog
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dude WTF IS THAT.. something official please
londonfog
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I missed your links ...I would really like to see them. Can you start with the police report.
desert dude
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UB, you keep citing 776.041, so I decided to read it. It does not exactly support your guilty verdict:
"76.041 Use of force by aggressor. The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force."
let's assume that Zimmer was the aggressor (not a slam dunk fact by any means). If the eye witness account is accurate (Trayvon was on top of Zimmer beating him) then Zimmer has a legitimate self defense claim under 1a. The cops must have seen it the same way or they would have charged Zimmer at the scene. You are no lawyer, UB, but I assume you can read.
londonfog
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cliffey Please don't tell me that Yahoo video is your only source.. Dude ZERO CREDIBILITY. Wheres the police report..thats something you read ..wheres the details on him being treated by the Fire Dept. Funny how the Chief had to step the fuck down. This whole police dept is about to be exposed.
londonfog
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thank you ....This trial will be very interesting..Don't get me wrong Zimmerman is quilty as shit..just going to be interesting to to how it plays out.
cliffey501
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He temporarily stepped down.He didnt have to,he chose to actually. funny how you can twist the facts.
cliffey501
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clearly you have no idea the legal definition of "stalking".
desert dude
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"...then Zimmer has a legitimate self defense claim under 1a...."
Correction: ...under 2a, not 1a.
Correction: ...under 2a, not 1a.
desert dude
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If you read the police report then you know that officer Ricardo Ayala states that Zimmerman shirt back was wet like he had been laying on the ground, his nose was bleeding and the back of his head was bleeding, and that he was treated on the scene by "SFD". This corroborates the eye witness account that Trayvon was on top of Zimmer beating him.
Don't get me wrong, I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty of anything. I agree, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
desert dude
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I will bet the grand jury indicts him as well. There is simply too much political pressure here to fail to indict. I see 776.041 (thanks, UB!) as Zimmer's successful defense in a trial.
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776.041 Use of force by aggressor.
The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant;"
desert dude
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Not defending Cliffey here, but he did give a link to the police report. You ought to read it and then read UB's helpful link to the law.
UncleBuck
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too bad they collected absolutely ZERO evidence of this fact. all we have is the word of an obviously corrupt police force with a questionable history of treatment towards blacks.
cliffey501
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Someones on top of you raining haymakers to your face while you scream for help isn't a threat of great bodily harm? how can you escape from your back? The beating stopped because of the bullet.
And said hypothetical beating would never have occured had Zimmerman followed standard procedures and protocols , right down to what the dispatcher was telling him..........
GAME SET MATCH........
Oh and Cliffette dear boy , don't you *ever* tell *me* what I can and can't do if someone is following me , you get no say whatsoever in the matter clown , and if I want to lead the follower down a dark alley out of sight of potential witnesses it's none of YOUR fucking business who comes back out and who doesn't. And all your bravado dickswinging about how you'd " follow" any you'd want , what you'd DO is about piss your pant when the suddenly turned and got nose to nose with you and said " what do you want bitch" followed shortly after by " do something if you're going to ****".............I've seen a thousand and one socalled stonyhard sonsabitches over the decades , when the crunch comes the vast majority of you types are made of sand not stone.
Now run along and get that sand outa your "special spot"........