How about this sentence bob harris. Feeling better about yourself yet?

Timmahh

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And bob harris, this should make you cum like a fire hose on high. this fucking pothead doesnt need to even worry about going to jail.
hes only DEAD. Fair price to pay for being a Mi MMMP Registered POT HEAD hey bob.


Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:36 AMPosted in: 2012 Drug War Killings Families Marijuana -- Personal Use News Brief Police-Community Tensions Police/Suspect Altercations
A prosecutor in northern Michigan has cleared the police officer who shot and killed a Grayling man as police and Child Protective Services (CPS) employees attempted to seize his three-year-old. The attempted removal of the minor child came after a police officer who came to the scene on a call earlier that same day reported that he smelled marijuana and reported the incident to CPS authorities, who decided the child needed to be removed. The dead man, William Reddie, 32, becomes the 17th person killed in US domestic drug law enforcement operations so far this year.


William Reddie
[Editor's Note: This case illustrates the difficulties that arise in determining which deaths qualify as being a direct result of drug law enforcement. Police here were enforcing child protections laws, not drug laws, but the only reason CPS was called in was because of the allegation of marijuana use. There was no allegation of crazed behavior due to marijuana use; only the allegation of use. For Michigan CPS authorities, that was enough to remove the child. Bottom line: This guy died because the state tried to take his kid because he was accused of smoking pot, so he merits inclusion. That doesn't mean his own actions didn't contribute to his death.]

Reddie's killing took place on February 3, but we only became aware of it when news broke this week that prosecutors had decided that the police officer's use of deadly force in the incident was justified.

According to the Crawford County Avalanche, Grayling police Officer Alan Somero was called to Reddie's apartment for an alleged domestic disturbance. Somero made no arrests, but believed he smelled marijuana and reported it to CPS. Two CPS employees went to Reddie's apartment to check on the situation. They then got a court order to remove Reddie's 3-year-old son, Cameron, and asked police to escort them to the apartment to serve the court order.

The Gaylord Herald-Times, which obtained the CPS removal order, added more detail. It reported that Reddie had been accused of smoking marijuana in front of his son, and that Reddie had become "agitated" and threatened police when confronted by that accusation earlier in the day.

The court order gave the following reason for removing the child: “There are reasonable grounds for this court to remove the child(ren) from the parent ... because conditions or surroundings of the child(ren), and is contrary to the welfare of the child(ren) to remain in the home because: It is alleged that the father used marijuana in the home in the presence of the child. In addition, there is concern for the safety of the child due to a domestic disturbance and threats made toward law enforcement by the father.”

Returning to the Avalanche's narrative, when police and CPS workers arrived to seize the child, Reddie then reportedly displayed a pcoketknife and lunged at them. Crawford County Deputy John Klepadlo shot and killed him. Police had been deploying Tasers, but holstered them and grabbed their guns when Reddie displayed the knife.

Crawford County Sheriff Kirk Wakefield then asked the Michigan State Police to investigate his deputy's use of deadly force. The Michigan Attorney General's Office referred the case to the neighboring Roscommon County Prosecutor's Office. After receiving a report from the State Police, Roscommon County DA Mark Jernigan determined that the use of deadly force was justified and that Klepadlo would not be charged with any crime.

"The deceased was in possession of an edged weapon," Jernigan said. "The deceased pulled a knife and hid it behind his back. At the point where he pulls his hand forward and lunges at the officer, he is in such close proximity, and presents a clear danger of deadly force, the officer is left with no option other than to use deadly force to protect himself, the other officer and the three civilians that were present. The use of deadly force is completely justified and
therefore, the homicide was justified."

Toxicology reports, which were included in the final investigation, showed there was no marijuana or alcohol in Reddie's system when he was killed.

Reddie had been seeking permanent custody of his son and was due in court for a hearing on that matter three days after he was killed.

"They took the only thing he ever loved," Reddie's mother, Michelle VanBuren, told the Avalanche after the prosecutor's announcement.

VanBuren said she was baffled by the conduct of authorities, especially since no evidence or alcohol or marijuana use was found. She said she had been in contact with her son throughout that day.

"I was on the phone with my son all day, and that cop was bullying him and harassing him so badly," she said. "Where was protect and serve?" VanBuren asked. "The officers always have to stick together and for them to do this is just totally uncalled for."

VanBuren said the family would continue to fight to ensure that CPS and law enforcement are held accountable for their actions. "They need to be held accountable and they will be held accountable believe you me," she said.

Reddie's family is not alone in questioning police and CPS actions. “I can’t believe they (police) could not subdue Will without killing him, and over what, marijuana,” said Joanne Michal, who knew Reddie for half of his life. “Why didn’t police just arrest him or cite him for marijuana instead of removing his child?” she told the Herald-Times.

“It is particularly sad that Will was shot to death right in front of his son,” Michal continued. “Why not use a Taser? Even if he (Will) had a knife and lunged at police, they didn’t have to kill him. Instead of using a Taser, you shoot him in front of his child. It is just totally unjustified. They didn’t have to kill him. I think it’s very sad that his life was taken during the removal of his son. And the smell of marijuana shouldn’t have been a reason for an emergency order. Just a few days before he was killed, Will was visiting, and he was so excited because a hearing was coming up for custody. And it seemed to give him hope of getting permanent custody. His son was everything to him.”

Crawford County Clerk Sandra Moore said she also knew Reddie. “It’s truly a shame,”Moore said. “He was a good guy and very fond of his son. He had been very excited just days before” about gaining permanent custody.

Cameron Reddie is now in foster care. His father's family is seeking visitation rights.

Meanwhile, Deputy Klepadlo, who had been on administrative leave after the shooting, is back on the job.
Grayling, MI
United States


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Timmahh

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ya, our government wants what RIGHT FOR YOUR TOO BOB! you ready for it? you better fucking be. or you too can be the next Mr, Reddie.
 

Cory and trevor

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He didn't have any pot in his system. I smell bullshit not weed. Too many questions to even begin to ask. That could be any one of us. I think maybe there was something else driving this, something to give cops a reason to fuck with this guy-no pot in his system and I'm guessing his blood was tested so where did that mystery smell come from? wasn't there, just an excuse to enter and fuck with a guy, but why? There has to be more to this, I hate cops I mean I HATE cops but they need a reason to be fucking with someone so whats the reason? could be next to nothing I concede that but what was it? insult the cops manhood or something? what a mess, what a tradegdy and in front of a kid just FYI to the world: its much worse to see a parent murdered then a joint get burned alive for anyone not jsut kids but especialy children in the middle of a custody battle. Tasers man..tasers.
 

kountdown

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I'd like to know what really happened. Looks like some small town drama that got way out of hand.
 

bob harris

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So..what the f..k does this have to do with medical mj? Yes, it's sad he was killed.But He lunged at a cop with a fucking knife,resisted a court order and did it in front of a child. With all due respect to the dead..WTF was he thinking? Had he simply cooperated, he'd be alive, blood tests showed he wasn't high, and he'd have his son back.

Did the cops over react? Maybe..but none of us were there. Did the guy threaten cops with a deadly weapon..sure sounds like it.
 

jonnynobody

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Just a sad outcome for all. If you ask yourself why the domino effect happened though, it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that the cop was an overzealous shithead for reporting an (at the time) innocent person to CPS for child abuse over smelling marijuana in the vicinity of a registered patient at an apartment complex. Sounds like a case of nosy asshole neighbor and one unbelievably ignorant police officer who initiated this conflict. The guy sure did seal his own fate at the point he pulled the knife out though knowing full well a police officer won't hesitate to shoot you, but who created those ridiculous circumstances that placed all parties in that situation and better yet; why?

Taking a child away from an innocent person is a pretty heart breaking thing to do to a father / monther who loves their kid. Some people may indeed have an unreasonable meltdown when presented with an unreasonable situation.
 

Timmahh

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Autopsy showed ZERO Cannabis. thats atleast 30 days for most people. Cop HAD TASERS OUT, and this one was able to holster his taser, pull out his service revolver, point it and shoot this guy 2 times, supposedly at point blank range, and within the time the Father (THAT Was/Is a current Michigan Medical Marihuana Registered Patient, thats what it has to do with MMJ Bob, HE WAS A AUTHROIZED FUCKING PATIENT< BUT HAD NO PLANT< NO CANNBIS AND ZERO IN HIS SYSTEM, THIS WAS AN INNOCENT FATHER PROTECTING HIS CHILD AND HIS FUCKING RIGHTS BOB, Just like you would if the cops were coming to take your boy away for his choice. WTF dude.) to defend himself, other officers with Tasers Drawn and 2 CPS worker far behind the police officers up front?

read the story people, Educate yourself, Corey is correct, this could of been any one of us, even you bob... even you.
 

tomcatjones

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He didn't have any pot in his system. I smell bullshit not weed. Too many questions to even begin to ask. That could be any one of us. I think maybe there was something else driving this, something to give cops a reason to fuck with this guy-no pot in his system and I'm guessing his blood was tested so where did that mystery smell come from? wasn't there, just an excuse to enter and fuck with a guy, but why? There has to be more to this, I hate cops I mean I HATE cops but they need a reason to be fucking with someone so whats the reason? could be next to nothing I concede that but what was it? insult the cops manhood or something? what a mess, what a tradegdy and in front of a kid just FYI to the world: its much worse to see a parent murdered then a joint get burned alive for anyone not jsut kids but especialy children in the middle of a custody battle. Tasers man..tasers.

he had a taser out and holstered it to pull out his gun.

to use lethal force.
 

tomcatjones

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So..what the f..k does this have to do with medical mj? Yes, it's sad he was killed.But He lunged at a cop with a fucking knife,resisted a court order and did it in front of a child. With all due respect to the dead..WTF was he thinking? Had he simply cooperated, he'd be alive, blood tests showed he wasn't high, and he'd have his son back.

Did the cops over react? Maybe..but none of us were there. Did the guy threaten cops with a deadly weapon..sure sounds like it.

the way the cop went about the visit was quite illegal. and now to same judge may face more medical marijuana injustices... patients being searched with a warrant that makes no claim that they were patients even thought the cop KNEW beforehand that they were indeed patients.
 

bob harris

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Autopsy showed ZERO Cannabis. thats atleast 30 days for most people. Cop HAD TASERS OUT, and this one was able to holster his taser, pull out his service revolver, point it and shoot this guy 2 times, supposedly at point blank range, and within the time the Father (THAT Was/Is a current Michigan Medical Marihuana Registered Patient, thats what it has to do with MMJ Bob, HE WAS A AUTHROIZED FUCKING PATIENT< BUT HAD NO PLANT< NO CANNBIS AND ZERO IN HIS SYSTEM, THIS WAS AN INNOCENT FATHER PROTECTING HIS CHILD AND HIS FUCKING RIGHTS BOB, Just like you would if the cops were coming to take your boy away for his choice. WTF dude.) to defend himself, other officers with Tasers Drawn and 2 CPS worker far behind the police officers up front?

read the story people, Educate yourself, Corey is correct, this could of been any one of us, even you bob... even you.
I did read the story. He was shot because he threatened an officer with a deadly weapon.

Cops had teasers out...man produced knife...Cops said drop the knife, as they drew their weapons, to defend themselves, weapons now drawn..man being warned top drop the knife, man decides to rush cop with knife..cop shoots. Your making this guy a martyr for committing suicide by cop.

This could NEVER happen to me...I'd let them take the kid. I'd have co operated, and fought my battle in court. Stop with the corrupt, planted evidence, everyone is innocent crap.

The ONLY thing to be learned here is DON"T LUNGE AT A COP WITH A FUC>>>G KNIFE!
 

bob harris

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One thing I don't understand...why hasn't anyone questioned why the officer went there in the first place?

HE WAS CALLED TO COME FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. So, there was a disturbance of some sort. Who knows what else the cop saw on that visit. Filthy conditions? Husband /Wife fight in front of the kid?

Then read on...yes he reported marijuana mell to CPS..and CPS went to investigate. That is now this guys second official visit. He dosen't get shot here....the CPS people leave, and go get a court order. Why did they decide to proceed? What did they see?....anyhow, now this guy should be fully aware that he is about to be visited again, He doesn't call a lawyer, He doesn't do anything.....but decide he's going to be belligerent when they come back with the court order.

So..on the 3rd visit, with cops and CPS to remove the child...having plenty of time to consider his situation, he decides the best thing to do is charge a cop holding a gun with a knife......regretful situation, but the guy killed himself
 

Timmahh

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umm you ever get hit with 2 or 3 tasers bob? this guy wasnt going far with that 3 inch pocket knife with 2 or 3 tasers hitting his ass.

Deadly Force was NOT called for. Look if the guy had a fucking Dirty Harry edition .44 ok. but he had a goddamn 3 inch pocket knife. an arms length weapon at best. Tasers have up to 20 plus feet of deployment ability.

The cops wernt there to arrest him for child molestation, they were there, falsely to try to take this mans child because he was a Registered MMM P Patient, and the Pig THOUGHT he smelled cannabis, but Zero was detected in his system at autopsy...


you would think this is de facto suicide.
 

jonnynobody

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One thing I don't understand...why hasn't anyone questioned why the officer went there in the first place?

HE WAS CALLED TO COME FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. So, there was a disturbance of some sort. Who knows what else the cop saw on that visit. Filthy conditions? Husband /Wife fight in front of the kid?

Then read on...yes he reported marijuana mell to CPS..and CPS went to investigate. That is now this guys second official visit. He dosen't get shot here....the CPS people leave, and go get a court order. Why did they decide to proceed? What did they see?....anyhow, now this guy should be fully aware that he is about to be visited again, He doesn't call a lawyer, He doesn't do anything.....but decide he's going to be belligerent when they come back with the court order.

So..on the 3rd visit, with cops and CPS to remove the child...having plenty of time to consider his situation, he decides the best thing to do is charge a cop holding a gun with a knife......regretful situation, but the guy killed himself
bob: Sorry man, I'm gonna have to call overuse of force on this one. 2 Police with department issued 9MM's couldn't shoot this guy in the kneecap like any descent mobster? Why is it these police are always "shoot to kill" rather than to apprehend? In front of a child nonetheless....if those cops feel anything less than remorse; may god help them.

The guy should have definitely cooperated but, again I will say when an individual is confronted with unreasonable circumstances, that individual may respond in an unreasonable way. That seems to be the most simple explanation as to what happened here. And again, the devil is always in the details and the details will eventually come out.
 

bob harris

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umm you ever get hit with 2 or 3 tasers bob? this guy wasnt going far with that 3 inch pocket knife with 2 or 3 tasers hitting his ass.

Deadly Force was NOT called for. Look if the guy had a fucking Dirty Harry edition .44 ok. but he had a goddamn 3 inch pocket knife. an arms length weapon at best. Tasers have up to 20 plus feet of deployment ability.

The cops wernt there to arrest him for child molestation, they were there, falsely to try to take this mans child because he was a Registered MMM P Patient, and the Pig THOUGHT he smelled cannabis, but Zero was detected in his system at autopsy...


you would think this is de facto suicide.
Ya know, I read the article again...and nowhere does it say "3 inch pocket knife"...how do we know it wasn't a kitchen knife..maybe 12"? ...and I read the CPS judgement again...and domestic violence in front of a child and living conditions were cited as well....not just alleged cannabis use. So..the CPS people that visited, probably DID HAVE OTHER CONCERNS FOR THE CHILD.

Then there is that lunging at cops with a knife thing..ya your right though. He couldn't have gotten far. Probably only been able to bury that "pocket knife" into one of those dirty pigs.

Regardless of situation or reason...A guy lunges at YOU with a knife...what the f..k, I'd shoot him too if I had a gun...he knew I had a gun..I'm sure he saw it. Why would a let the maniac get me once with his knife as I tased HIm..or take that change.

Are you suggesting a police officer should take a possibly fatal wound, so that the suspect can be overpowered and subdued without harm?

Guess I'm just thinking...What about the cops "right's"?
 

Timmahh

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you didnt read enough, which is your Major Problem, you skim the surface of the fact and purpose to know it all from the title. you are arguing a foolish uneducated side of a debate.

im suggesting 2 or 3 cops with fully charged tasers had no need to kill this man.

Like jonny said they could of shot his leg, stomach, they could of deployed the 2 or 3 tasers on him, which is PROVEN To fucking subdue the most violent person. but no, 2 bullets to the head was justice for this pothead in your eyes.
 

bob harris

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bob: Sorry man, I'm gonna have to call overuse of force on this one. 2 Police with department issued 9MM's couldn't shoot this guy in the kneecap like any descent mobster? Why is it these police are always "shoot to kill" rather than to apprehend? In front of a child nonetheless....if those cops feel anything less than remorse; may god help them.
Thing is...none of us where there..Lots of witness though it sounds like. And there was a hearing on whether the force was justified. That means..all those witness either saw what happened and said.."well..I can't blame him for shooting the guy" OR there is a giant conspiracy among them to cover the facts, AND the board deciding the use of force issue were in on that conspiracy too.


Sure..I'd feel better if no one got hurt....bet the "victim" started the violence...NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF HE HADN'T PULLED A WEAPON

I can't say if it was an unjust shooting..I didn't witness it.
 

bob harris

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you didnt read enough, which is your Major Problem, you skim the surface of the fact and purpose to know it all from the title. you are arguing a foolish uneducated side of a debate.

im suggesting 2 or 3 cops with fully charged tasers had no need to kill this man.

Like jonny said they could of shot his leg, stomach, they could of deployed the 2 or 3 tasers on him, which is PROVEN To fucking subdue the most violent person. but no, 2 bullets to the head was justice for this pothead in your eyes.

No...please answer one question...where does it say 3 inch pocket knife...size of the knife kinda makes a difference to me...cause I was threatened with a french Knife one time...and it was a big mother...

You want to the facts, then you make up facts...so one simple question...where does it say 3 inch pocket knife? AND A SECOND QUESTION: WHY DID YOU FEEL THE NEED TO SAY"3 INCH POCKET KNIFE" WHEN IT ISN'T IN THE ARTICLE?
 

tomcatjones

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One thing I don't understand...why hasn't anyone questioned why the officer went there in the first place?

HE WAS CALLED TO COME FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. So, there was a disturbance of some sort. Who knows what else the cop saw on that visit. Filthy conditions? Husband /Wife fight in front of the kid?

Then read on...yes he reported marijuana mell to CPS..and CPS went to investigate. That is now this guys second official visit. He dosen't get shot here....the CPS people leave, and go get a court order. Why did they decide to proceed? What did they see?....anyhow, now this guy should be fully aware that he is about to be visited again, He doesn't call a lawyer, He doesn't do anything.....but decide he's going to be belligerent when they come back with the court order.

So..on the 3rd visit, with cops and CPS to remove the child...having plenty of time to consider his situation, he decides the best thing to do is charge a cop holding a gun with a knife......regretful situation, but the guy killed himself
...you obviously don't understand how local cops target locals.

if domestic violence was the reason.. they could have cited that as the reason.. when in fact that was not that case.


they used the guise of marijuana to enter the home. though...

this has never been enough for CPS to take a child and no marijuana was in his system whatsoever,.

bob.. you can't defend the cops in this situation at all..

also...most up here can't afford lawyers.
 
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