The people I know who are from their 20s through their 30s are making dirt, at least if they're still in the Midwest. I know a few who've left for the coasts who are making decent money writing software. Those in their 40s and 50s are facing age discrimination and getting laid off (probably because they know what it's like to have middle class pay, and expect it). It's a real tough economy, nothing like it once was. I talked with some guy in his 60s who told me how when he graduated from college, he was buried in job offers - he pointed out how people graduate now from great schools like UM here in Ann Arbor and send out hundreds of applications without ever hearing back, and end up taking a minimum wage job with 30k in student loans to pay off.
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Timmahh
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no its just not there much any more bob.
I Gratuated in 84, and went to work for ma bell. I started out making 16.50/hr as a shovel grunt, and in 3 weeks was running a ditch witch for 18.75 and after another month I was boring roads for 27.45/hr and double time after 40, and triple time on sat/sun with bonuses the entire run for every 1000 ft a day we installed. We only missed 1000 ft/day twice in 2 yrs...
in the meantime, my buddies went to college to get a paper on the wall. most of them ended up back in manual labor in 10 yrs. and by 10yrs after I was out of HS. Ma Bell was no more, everyone i worked with over the previous decade was making 2/3rd to 3/4s of what they had been. and most those college degrees sat on a book case collecting dust.
Would it surprise you to know bob, that in my industry, over the last 20 yrs, My annual salary has decreased, while my work load has increased, as well as the expenses to do that work? meanwhile the companies I work for have huge Bonuses for CEOs for LOSING MONEY, while I get Less than I was, yet expected to do more with?
Yes thing really have fell off that far bob. I could work at MickyD's and make the same or more than i can in a highly Skilled trade any more....
20yrs ago. a Manager at Micky Ds didnt do too bad, but in comparison, my trade generally made what a General manager or higher up made at a fast food restuarant.
I could actaully afford to have a family and send my kids to college if I Chose too, but by 1995 to 98 that reality was gone.
I Gratuated in 84, and went to work for ma bell. I started out making 16.50/hr as a shovel grunt, and in 3 weeks was running a ditch witch for 18.75 and after another month I was boring roads for 27.45/hr and double time after 40, and triple time on sat/sun with bonuses the entire run for every 1000 ft a day we installed. We only missed 1000 ft/day twice in 2 yrs...
in the meantime, my buddies went to college to get a paper on the wall. most of them ended up back in manual labor in 10 yrs. and by 10yrs after I was out of HS. Ma Bell was no more, everyone i worked with over the previous decade was making 2/3rd to 3/4s of what they had been. and most those college degrees sat on a book case collecting dust.
Would it surprise you to know bob, that in my industry, over the last 20 yrs, My annual salary has decreased, while my work load has increased, as well as the expenses to do that work? meanwhile the companies I work for have huge Bonuses for CEOs for LOSING MONEY, while I get Less than I was, yet expected to do more with?
Yes thing really have fell off that far bob. I could work at MickyD's and make the same or more than i can in a highly Skilled trade any more....
20yrs ago. a Manager at Micky Ds didnt do too bad, but in comparison, my trade generally made what a General manager or higher up made at a fast food restuarant.
I could actaully afford to have a family and send my kids to college if I Chose too, but by 1995 to 98 that reality was gone.
Yeah one good example is what happens in labs on college campuses - 30 years ago 14 year old kids in high school would get paying jobs from labs without knowing anything whatsoever, an apprenticeship of sorts, and a lot of great scientists began that way. Nowadays, even if you have a post-grad level skill set you will be volunteering and not paid a dime, and if you don't have parents paying your rent and your grocery bills that door is closed. The work is more than a full time job, usually at least 80 hours a week these days, so taking a second job isn't an option. Even of the people I know who managed to get paying work in a lab, they are paid jack shit for developing scientific breakthroughs that save millions of lives and revolutionize our way of living... they'll make 16-24k a year, but they'll be fired if they write down their real hours which are ~80-100/week, so their real pay comes to about 6 bucks an hour... just sad. These same people are looking at paying 300/mo for their student loans for 10 years plus. What have we come to?
How can you have a family if you can't break out of poverty until you're in your late 30s or 40s? And even then both parents will still be working crazy hours. It's not good for the mom, or the kids, to have them past your 20s, there's greatly elevated risk of dangerous complications for the mom, greatly elevated risk of cerebral palsy in the kids, and I read some study where they found the lifespan of a kid is shortened significantly if they were born to a "senior" mother.
There is so much wealth in this country, everything is so mechanized that our labor produces an incredible amount of value, and yet we see so little of it, particularly during our most productive years, and when our need is greatest.
How can you have a family if you can't break out of poverty until you're in your late 30s or 40s? And even then both parents will still be working crazy hours. It's not good for the mom, or the kids, to have them past your 20s, there's greatly elevated risk of dangerous complications for the mom, greatly elevated risk of cerebral palsy in the kids, and I read some study where they found the lifespan of a kid is shortened significantly if they were born to a "senior" mother.
There is so much wealth in this country, everything is so mechanized that our labor produces an incredible amount of value, and yet we see so little of it, particularly during our most productive years, and when our need is greatest.
bob harris
Well-Known Member
I can appreciate what you are saying. Jobs are hard to find, especially in Michigan. But you can either compete for one or give up. You may have to move. I had to go from home, to South bend Indiana, to Sioux Falls S. Dakota to Syracuse NY, to move up...tough the on kids, but it's what I had to do to feed them.Yeah one good example is what happens in labs on college campuses - 30 years ago 14 year old kids in high school would get paying jobs from labs without knowing anything whatsoever, an apprenticeship of sorts, and a lot of great scientists began that way. Nowadays, even if you have a post-grad level skill set you will be volunteering and not paid a dime, and if you don't have parents paying your rent and your grocery bills that door is closed. The work is more than a full time job, usually at least 80 hours a week these days, so taking a second job isn't an option. Even of the people I know who managed to get paying work in a lab, they are paid jack shit for developing scientific breakthroughs that save millions of lives and revolutionize our way of living... they'll make 16-24k a year, but they'll be fired if they write down their real hours which are ~80-100/week, so their real pay comes to about 6 bucks an hour... just sad. These same people are looking at paying 300/mo for their student loans for 10 years plus. What have we come to?
How can you have a family if you can't break out of poverty until you're in your late 30s or 40s? And even then both parents will still be working crazy hours. It's not good for the mom, or the kids, to have them past your 20s, there's greatly elevated risk of dangerous complications for the mom, greatly elevated risk of cerebral palsy in the kids, and I read some study where they found the lifespan of a kid is shortened significantly if they were born to a "senior" mother.
There is so much wealth in this country, everything is so mechanized that our labor produces an incredible amount of value, and yet we see so little of it, particularly during our most productive years, and when our need is greatest.
Worked two jobs when I first had kids, Got up at 3am and delivered USA today newspapers, then got home changed and worked 9 to 9 in sales...sucked.
Its never easy, unless you come from money. But you can't give up.
Yeah - I will be moving out of here whenever I can get the chance. I'm not going to be broke forever, I have a strong background in software/programming, but the work is all on the west coast, and for various temporary reasons I can't move yet. I do appreciate the encouragement, thanks.
Buddy Ganga
Active Member
That's what I love about you guys, you've always got the best smoke, highest operating prices and no one could even deal with the troubles you've had to over come..
Just because you are to ignorant to know how to rid yourself of the problem doesn't mean others are as stupid.
And you obviously mis read my post. I said $35 bucks and a spray bottle there mite boy.
$35 covers the chemical and no your guess was wrong, it's not organic. Maybe that's why it works so well.
You mix it yourself and that's where the spray bottle comes in..
I'm sure you've already tried everything and even though you are unable to get rid of them you continue to grow anyways, which just adds to the irony of your idiocy.
But what ever you do, don't ask me what I used or where you might be able to pick some up yourself, but insult me so my laughing at you goes on a little longer.
Just keep growing bugs and larva and playing the martyr that way you can justify your costs and inability to grow.
Just $35 bucks could solve your problem..
Well your mite problems anyways..
Muahahahahahahahahaha..
BigBuddahCheese
New Member
LOL.. we all known that 95% of the people on RIU are thug "tweed" dealers.. probably more in the MI forums. Sad it took some longer to see it.
Buddy Ganga - what pesticide did you use then? From my research there is nothing that eradicates russet mites. They always come back - it might take 2-3 months - but they always do. I still don't get the feeling you even know what russet mites are (they're not spider mites). If there was some miracle cure I would imagine it would be in the scientific literature. It's hard for me to believe you're smarter than an army of PhDs with multimillion dollar budgets.
I already shut down my grow 4 months ago, gave it a good long time for any remaining russets to die off, and heated the room/ran a humidifier for half of that time to try to induce eggs to hatch...
You are really the biggest asshole on the site. Bob Harris, I frequently disagree with, but he's a decent human being who knows how to disagree respectfully. You have the maturity and the attitude of a 4th grader. It's amazing and unfortunate that you haven't been banned.
I already shut down my grow 4 months ago, gave it a good long time for any remaining russets to die off, and heated the room/ran a humidifier for half of that time to try to induce eggs to hatch...
You are really the biggest asshole on the site. Bob Harris, I frequently disagree with, but he's a decent human being who knows how to disagree respectfully. You have the maturity and the attitude of a 4th grader. It's amazing and unfortunate that you haven't been banned.
FatMarty
Well-Known Member
Been reading about these russet mites and soem other one you can't even see without a 60 to 100x magnification.
Picked up a small MicroMax 60-100 today to see if I got anything like that.
But after reading these last few posts I don't want to look.
Got no reason to think I do have any; but how do you know if it don't show up on a 30x microscope?
My old one is only 30x.
Wish me luck man.
Picked up a small MicroMax 60-100 today to see if I got anything like that.
But after reading these last few posts I don't want to look.
Got no reason to think I do have any; but how do you know if it don't show up on a 30x microscope?
My old one is only 30x.
Wish me luck man.
I've learned to be able to notice them with the naked eye, but you have to know what to look for. You'll see little tiny yellowish whitish specks, little lines, on the tops of the leaves, particularly young ones. These are the russet mites. They are barely visible to me, I hear from most they're invisible to the naked eye, I have really good eyesight so if you don't I wouldn't count on seeing them. Once the population is out of control the leaves start to curl around the edges when they're under attack, and it looks like a rust fungus is mauling them. They attack young leaves first, and sit on the top, unlike spider mites who attack the bottom of plants first, and sit under the leaves. They also eat trichomes. 
They are FAR more resilient than spider mites. The first sign of their presence is rapid growth bursts, so if you suddenly see bolting from the tops and particularly lower branches, lots of lush fresh green growth, and you didn't just switch them to 12/12, beware.
If you find them in your garden, trash everything. It will save you a lot of grief. People told me root aphids were unbeatable, and I beat them, so I got overly confident with the russets and figured there must be a way to beat them. It took wasting a month or two battling them before I realized it was hopeless.
Hemp Diseases and Pests: Management and Biological Control
http://books.google.com/books?id=cDCMiaORLYsC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30
They are FAR more resilient than spider mites. The first sign of their presence is rapid growth bursts, so if you suddenly see bolting from the tops and particularly lower branches, lots of lush fresh green growth, and you didn't just switch them to 12/12, beware. If you find them in your garden, trash everything. It will save you a lot of grief. People told me root aphids were unbeatable, and I beat them, so I got overly confident with the russets and figured there must be a way to beat them. It took wasting a month or two battling them before I realized it was hopeless.
Hemp Diseases and Pests: Management and Biological Control
http://books.google.com/books?id=cDCMiaORLYsC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30
Didn't take long to find Buddy Ganga admitting to breaking the law.
So either you are providing uncured meds to your patients, total trash - or you are breaking the law. Given that you mention "cured weight" it would seem you are breaking the law. Even with 5 patients and being a patient yourself, you can only have 15oz. That's 4.5oz too many.
Hypocrite...
More illegal activity...
Here's Buddy Ganga (supposedly, maybe he's trolling, he's good at it) showing off the car and truck he bought with the profits from his grow:
This post of his is just funny...
https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/413564-advice-experienced-growers-please.html#post5422249
So either you are providing uncured meds to your patients, total trash - or you are breaking the law. Given that you mention "cured weight" it would seem you are breaking the law. Even with 5 patients and being a patient yourself, you can only have 15oz. That's 4.5oz too many.
Hypocrite...
More illegal activity...
https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/416112-caregiver-looking-2-patients-ann.html#post5486381
Here's Buddy Ganga (supposedly, maybe he's trolling, he's good at it) showing off the car and truck he bought with the profits from his grow:
https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/419790-pricing-each-perspective-time-get.html#post5501832This is what my patients have bought me by letting me grow their plants.
This post of his is just funny...
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/385525-ive-got-both-so-one.html
Buddy Ganga
Active Member
And you've been one of the biggest whiny hypocrite medical martyrs I've ever read.
You've got nothing but excuses on top of sad stories..
Bad luck is one thing, a professional victim is another, and that's what you are, a professional victim.
Always whining and crying about how bad luck and circumstances are holding you back.
Try getting out of your own way and see how fast life changes for the better you schmuck!
And I maybe an asshole, but I'm a very very very successful asshole with no bugs or excuses which is everything you aspire to be. bwuahahahahahaha...
Troll my posts all you want skippy, you're still a whiny loser.
To bad you've got nothing but assumptions and acusations.
How many card holders are in my house dip shit, and how many patients do I care for ? Bwuahahahahahahaha
Keep on a haten. It's not going to help you grow any better.. lmao!
Oh wait, you don't grow, you just like to talk about growing. So go with 1000's..lmao!
Outside of the pests I got from contaminated soil and an infected clone, I have not had any problems growing.
You are more of a lawbreaker and a profiteer than anyone you criticize. If there's anyone I can't stand, it's hypocrites.
The Mercedes in your driveway will not ease your passing when the day finally comes - only knowledge that you treated others with respect can do that.
Being an asshole is nothing to be proud of.
You are more of a lawbreaker and a profiteer than anyone you criticize. If there's anyone I can't stand, it's hypocrites.
The Mercedes in your driveway will not ease your passing when the day finally comes - only knowledge that you treated others with respect can do that.
Being an asshole is nothing to be proud of.
Buddy Ganga
Active Member
Bet you'd like to use that truck to move... lmao...
I wish I cared enough to rip you a new one.
But I think letting you stew in your own ignorance is better then wasting my time on ya.
So get back to me when you've got something valid... bwuahahahahahaha..
I wish I cared enough to rip you a new one.
But I think letting you stew in your own ignorance is better then wasting my time on ya.
So get back to me when you've got something valid... bwuahahahahahaha..
tomcatjones
Active Member
so....
anyone want to come and help me establish a "medical grow" so we can truly help some patients? ..i'm trying my best. want to help cure some cancer!! like meow!
i was so sad when my friend's g-pa had cancer and couldn't help with my own plants because i was far from capable at that point.
oh and yes i would probably start to pay off my government student loans which i'm like 40,000 in debt for.. but.. that is like a cost like rent. gotta get these shackles off me baby.
please?
just and electrician to start lol. need moar watts.
anyone want to come and help me establish a "medical grow" so we can truly help some patients? ..i'm trying my best. want to help cure some cancer!! like meow!
i was so sad when my friend's g-pa had cancer and couldn't help with my own plants because i was far from capable at that point.
oh and yes i would probably start to pay off my government student loans which i'm like 40,000 in debt for.. but.. that is like a cost like rent. gotta get these shackles off me baby.
please?
just and electrician to start lol. need moar watts.
Buddy Ganga stands exposed as the sociopathic profiteer he really is. He's flinging shit to try to change the subject from both this and his incompetence as a grower (I take his lack of response on the russet mite issue as a tacit admission that he did not know what they are). It would appear the free ounces he gave to his patients were nothing but bribes to allow him to make a fortune selling to dispensaries - a far cry from the Mother Teresa image he cultivates.
Buddy Ganga
Active Member
I don't help schmucks and that's exactly what you are, a trolling whiny little excuse filled schmuck.
And I'm sure while you were searching for stupid shit to post you ran across my many threads started to help others become better growers and cut costs.
And what is it you have ?
Oh that's right, more sad stories about why you can't support your family and pay your own bills.
I've given more meds away in the last year then you could ever imagine growing mite man...
SketchyGrower
Well-Known Member
Holy Christ guys... Do we even smoke the bud? Why is everything a Agro-event? Is no one stoned.... I don't think I could get that worked up if I tried right now...
Buddy Ganga
Active Member
Translation: I've got nothing.. Absolutely nothing. He's right, I am unable to support myself and my family.
Now why not post one of the many posts of mine that explains where I make my money ?
Could it be from all of the plant waste/trimmings and cutting and even the soil ?
Why yes, yes it is and it all pays for my patients to receive free meds every month.
I mean I'm sure you saw the thread I did on using the whole plant while you were trolling for posts.
Guess since you couldn't find anything to help you get your hate on you over looked it..
Yeah, that's right.. I'm the guy you need in your life.
I find other ways to pay the way instead of charging my patients for their meds.