Dear Marijuana, I am dying. Please Help me!

HomeLessBeans

HomeLessBeans

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FatMarty said:
So for juicing you just toss everything in a fancy juice blender and add water?
Does it need to be mature leaf or just any leaf?
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i believe you want the juicer for 'sweet grass' for the best out of our plant..ok tbh no freakin clue what sweetgrass or said juicer is/are???
 
cephalopod

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I've been hearing more and more of raw consumption, thx TomCat. Does anyone have some thoughts what the refrigeradted shelf-life of the juice might be? I'll place my bets on 6 days, any takers? Also, any thoughts on freezing leaf for future use?
 
gladstoned

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I have been purposely avoiding this thread for a few days waiting for Belle to feel better and go through it with her. I was gone yesterday and she has been sick/lazy/depressed in bed. I slept a few hours last night then took a long ass nap and now I am at a good solid 70%. lol. I will catch up on everything here online and try to get her ass in gear or atleast awake. I seen the suggestion on the juicer, though I haven't read through the posts. We actually have a brand new juicer from the main Jack La something dude. We got the nice chrome expensive model, used that fucker a few times. It is a PITA to clean. lol. That is something I will do cuz I want to set it up and leave it in the kitchen, but honestly - Belle won't eat anything healthy. I don't understand it, can't believe it. If I was half as sick as her and the doctor told me dog shit would cure me or help a lot, I would have a thread going for dog shit recipes. lol. She can't stomach a lot though. She wants to do smokealot's tincture and get with GG about the Simpson's oil and I kinda think that is her direction.
 
Grow Goddess

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That would be Jack Lalane, and that is a cool juicer too. Now that is a blast from the past. I grew up watching his exercise show with my mom back in the day. Well I watched, she exercised, I was just a kid then.

I wish only the best for Belle. I have heard some good things about juicing the healthy fan leaves, small fresh buds, and shoots. There is a book a lady wrote about it. I will have to see if I can find the info on it and post it.
 
W Dragon

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hey Glad and Belle, after having crohns over half of my life I can say with absolute certainty that a good healthy diet will be your best bet for gaining control over the illness, cannabis will help to no end as a pain killer and relaxant but it can only do so much and needs to be used with healthy eating and a semi healthy life style. I eat junk food on occasion if I have cannabis to hand but not without it and even then it has to be balanced out with plenty of water to off set the (exiting) of the food to make sure you stay hydrated and don't help to self perpetuate the vicious cycle that is crohns. If belle won't eat healthy food then sadly I believe she will never get any better, there is a vicious cycle with crohns - the worse you get the worse you feel and the worse the condition gets- you need to break this cycle and try and stay on top of it. Fatty foods will only make things worse (seriously) and junk food in general will drag her down, fruits and vegetables eaten regularly in conjunction with plenty of water will help to no end also learning how to cook the unhealthy foods in a healthy manner will make a big difference (grilled instead of fried). A food and pain diary may be a good idea to drive home the damage that a shitty diet will cause. Also without trying to sound mean documenting this journey with junk food as a staple diet won't help many people as the first thing you learn with crohns is food equals pain and from then on it's just pain management and if your condition is really that bad? food starts to become the enemy and managing what you eat no longer is a choice. for example when i'm having a bad day you couldnt pay or make me eat a burger because I know what will follow- extreme pain. I think keeping track of food and pain levels is a great starting point to educate yourself to what really aggravates the condition and making a positive change, most of us at some point have stopped eating solid foods all together and been on a liquid diet (during the worst of times). Diet is your best friend if you really want to help yourself mate
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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W Dragon said:
hey Glad and Belle, after having crohns over half of my life I can say with absolute certainty that a good healthy diet will be your best bet for gaining control over the illness, cannabis will help to no end as a pain killer and relaxant but it can only do so much and needs to be used with healthy eating and a semi healthy life style. I eat junk food on occasion if I have cannabis to hand but not without it and even then it has to be balanced out with plenty of water to off set the (exiting) of the food to make sure you stay hydrated and don't help to self perpetuate the vicious cycle that is crohns. If belle won't eat healthy food then sadly I believe she will never get any better, there is a vicious cycle with crohns - the worse you get the worse you feel and the worse the condition gets- you need to break this cycle and try and stay on top of it. Fatty foods will only make things worse (seriously) and junk food in general will drag her down, fruits and vegetables eaten regularly in conjunction with plenty of water will help to no end also learning how to cook the unhealthy foods in a healthy manner will make a big difference (grilled instead of fried). A food and pain diary may be a good idea to drive home the damage that a shitty diet will cause. Also without trying to sound mean documenting this journey with junk food as a staple diet won't help many people as the first thing you learn with crohns is food equals pain and from then on it's just pain management and if your condition is really that bad? food starts to become the enemy and managing what you eat no longer is a choice. for example when i'm having a bad day you couldnt pay or make me eat a burger because I know what will follow- extreme pain. I think keeping track of food and pain levels is a great starting point to educate yourself to what really aggravates the condition and making a positive change, most of us at some point have stopped eating solid foods all together and been on a liquid diet (during the worst of times). Diet is your best friend if you really want to help yourself mate
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I believe this is the most important advice she can get. (mainly because she will think I made up a fake name and posted this myself). In this regard she has came a long way, but has a long way to go. She does drink a lot of water, all day. That she has been doing the last year, she rarely eats fast food, that was the majority of her old diet. I have heard a bad diet and worry/stress is worse things for crohn's and that does make her big candidate for disease.
You couldn't be more right with the cycle analogy, she thinks she has good and bad days, not the case, she has good and bad weeks. This is one happens to be bad. She has to go to her friends for about 3 days downstate and I am already worried. lol.
Her cereal killers need to be transplanted today and we will go over some things.
She needs and wants to have regular food and sleep schedule. We are aware that smoking weed cannot override obvious bad habits, lol. She will have to give this 100% or live with the misery. I was unable to smoke for 5 years. I steadily ate and drank my way up to 301 pounds. I just sat down and was like what in the fuck is going on. I have always been prejudiced toward fat people and I looked like I ate one. I stopped at that minute and I have lost almost 70 pounds since Sept 1st. This is the best time for her to get on schedule and get a good diet. Thank You for your honesty.
 
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cephalopod said:
I've been hearing more and more of raw consumption, thx TomCat. Does anyone have some thoughts what the refrigeradted shelf-life of the juice might be? I'll place my bets on 6 days, any takers? Also, any thoughts on freezing leaf for future use?
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i doubt it tbh... 6 days sounds like a lot. and i can give you my reasoning.

i had posted another video about the juicing of ALL veggies and fruits (Gerson therapy for cancer but proper nutrition is all it is.)


when you use the special juicer - you have about 20 minutes before 90 percent of all the good good good stuff goes away. oxidation being the root cause for degradation in the juice.

when my friend's grandfather started the juice therapy i had got to try a lot and it was all pretty good, i just don't like carrot juice but they are the best for you when battling cancer.

if you are healthy person just juicing to stay healthy, then 6 days could work.

but if you want to use the juice to heal and get the maximum, drink it up the second it gets out pf that juicer.



just like most of the fruits and veggies you get in the store. -most of their nutritional value has deteriorated over the course of the travel life and so you aren't eating as healthy as you might think. flash frozen over fresh in a super market ANY DAY! they are picked at peak ripeness and hold their nutritional values for longer.

but even then, go organic, grow your own, keep the food web close.
 
W Dragon

W Dragon

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I really hope that didn't come across as me being mean as it wasn't meant that way mate, has Belle ever kept a food/pain diary? I ask because when I was first diagnosed I thought I could carry on as normal and soon learned otherwise, I was told to keep a pain/food diary and write down all the food and drink I consumed and then to record the pain levels through out the day and night and soon saw some very obvious links and it also helped me learn what I can and can't eat. I understand that making changes is a hard thing to do but unfortunately for any quality of life is a must. I gotta go out now but will pop back soon and hopefully I can add some helpful info mate, best wishes to you both.
 
gladstoned

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W Dragon said:
I really hope that didn't come across as me being mean as it wasn't meant that way mate, has Belle ever kept a food/pain diary? I ask because when I was first diagnosed I thought I could carry on as normal and soon learned otherwise, I was told to keep a pain/food diary and write down all the food and drink I consumed and then to record the pain levels through out the day and night and soon saw some very obvious links and it also helped me learn what I can and can't eat. I understand that making changes is a hard thing to do but unfortunately for any quality of life is a must. I gotta go out now but will pop back soon and hopefully I can add some helpful info mate, best wishes to you both.
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Not at all. She knows this, I know this. She hasn't kept a dairy, I was/am hoping this will become it. Everything you said I believe is correct and meant as being helpful. Thank You.
 
gladstoned

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tomcatjones said:
i doubt it tbh... 6 days sounds like a lot. and i can give you my reasoning.

i had posted another video about the juicing of ALL veggies and fruits (Gerson therapy for cancer but proper nutrition is all it is.)


when you use the special juicer - you have about 20 minutes before 90 percent of all the good good good stuff goes away. oxidation being the root cause for degradation in the juice.

when my friend's grandfather started the juice therapy i had got to try a lot and it was all pretty good, i just don't like carrot juice but they are the best for you when battling cancer.

if you are healthy person just juicing to stay healthy, then 6 days could work.

but if you want to use the juice to heal and get the maximum, drink it up the second it gets out pf that juicer.



just like most of the fruits and veggies you get in the store. -most of their nutritional value has deteriorated over the course of the travel life and so you aren't eating as healthy as you might think. flash frozen over fresh in a super market ANY DAY! they are picked at peak ripeness and hold their nutritional values for longer.

but even then, go organic, grow your own, keep the food web close.
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I found this out also. When you juice fruits and veggies, they lose most their value within minutes. That is the fucked up part about it, then I figure how do the big companies do it?

I set mine all up, bought all kinds of shit to juice. Just doing apples and oranges, I could not believe all the "pulp" that is thrown out. Especially an orange, the more pulp the better, not with those things. You are throwing out tons of material, making a huge mess, and you have minutes to drink the shit. I was not impressed. That being said, I need to quit being a lazy s.o.b. and dig that thing out and try again to make it part of my day.
 
mellokitty

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belle - have you tried any elimination diets? i ask because i'm surrounded in my life (myself included) by people with food allergies/intolerances that don't show up on standard allergy tests. i would imagine that crohn's compounded with something like that would be --in a word-- hellish; i also have one friend with ulcerative colitis (pretty much the EXACT same symptoms as crohn's, i'm not sure what the difference is exactly) whose conditon improved HUGELY (going from living like an invalid to a mostly normal life) upon cutting out dairy.

definitely +1 on the food/pain log. when you look at last week's entries you'll be amazed at the patterns that emerge. it's also the first step in identifying possible triggers.
an added bonus is that by writing it down each time, you become more aware of your own habits -- which for me meant less 'mindless' or 'because i'm bored' eating.

because 'healthy' doesn't have to mean 'rabbit food'... ;)

gladstoned - i always knew you were a good guy, way to take good care of your lady :)
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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"I have always been prejudiced toward fat people and I looked like I ate one."


Not to make light of this thread, but that was damn funny glad!!!! :-)
 
st0wandgrow

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tomcatjones said:
i doubt it tbh... 6 days sounds like a lot. and i can give you my reasoning.

i had posted another video about the juicing of ALL veggies and fruits (Gerson therapy for cancer but proper nutrition is all it is.)


when you use the special juicer - you have about 20 minutes before 90 percent of all the good good good stuff goes away. oxidation being the root cause for degradation in the juice.

when my friend's grandfather started the juice therapy i had got to try a lot and it was all pretty good, i just don't like carrot juice but they are the best for you when battling cancer.

if you are healthy person just juicing to stay healthy, then 6 days could work.

but if you want to use the juice to heal and get the maximum, drink it up the second it gets out pf that juicer.



just like most of the fruits and veggies you get in the store. -most of their nutritional value has deteriorated over the course of the travel life and so you aren't eating as healthy as you might think. flash frozen over fresh in a super market ANY DAY! they are picked at peak ripeness and hold their nutritional values for longer.

but even then, go organic, grow your own, keep the food web close.
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I've done several juice fasts over the years, and one piece of advice I would give folks that are going to start juicing is this:

Be prepared to not take a shit for several days .... even weeks. Juicing removes the vast majority of fiber from the fruits and veggies, and as a result you become very backed up. I learned this the hard way. At times you may even have to resort to an enema! Yeppers, a nice squirt up the o-ring to get things moving!

Juicing does leave you feeling incredibly vibrant, though. It will improve your energy level, your skin, your hair ... pretty much your life!
 
st0wandgrow

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W Dragon said:
hey Glad and Belle, after having crohns over half of my life I can say with absolute certainty that a good healthy diet will be your best bet for gaining control over the illness, cannabis will help to no end as a pain killer and relaxant but it can only do so much and needs to be used with healthy eating and a semi healthy life style. I eat junk food on occasion if I have cannabis to hand but not without it and even then it has to be balanced out with plenty of water to off set the (exiting) of the food to make sure you stay hydrated and don't help to self perpetuate the vicious cycle that is crohns. If belle won't eat healthy food then sadly I believe she will never get any better, there is a vicious cycle with crohns - the worse you get the worse you feel and the worse the condition gets- you need to break this cycle and try and stay on top of it. Fatty foods will only make things worse (seriously) and junk food in general will drag her down, fruits and vegetables eaten regularly in conjunction with plenty of water will help to no end also learning how to cook the unhealthy foods in a healthy manner will make a big difference (grilled instead of fried). A food and pain diary may be a good idea to drive home the damage that a shitty diet will cause. Also without trying to sound mean documenting this journey with junk food as a staple diet won't help many people as the first thing you learn with crohns is food equals pain and from then on it's just pain management and if your condition is really that bad? food starts to become the enemy and managing what you eat no longer is a choice. for example when i'm having a bad day you couldnt pay or make me eat a burger because I know what will follow- extreme pain. I think keeping track of food and pain levels is a great starting point to educate yourself to what really aggravates the condition and making a positive change, most of us at some point have stopped eating solid foods all together and been on a liquid diet (during the worst of times). Diet is your best friend if you really want to help yourself mate
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Great advice dragon!
 
cephalopod

cephalopod

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Yeah, after doing a little looking 3 days is the recommended shelf life. I initially figured that I'd just treat it as a prepared food.
tomcatjones said:
i doubt it tbh... 6 days sounds like a lot. and i can give you my reasoning.

i had posted another video about the juicing of ALL veggies and fruits (Gerson therapy for cancer but proper nutrition is all it is.)


when you use the special juicer - you have about 20 minutes before 90 percent of all the good good good stuff goes away. oxidation being the root cause for degradation in the juice.

when my friend's grandfather started the juice therapy i had got to try a lot and it was all pretty good, i just don't like carrot juice but they are the best for you when battling cancer.

if you are healthy person just juicing to stay healthy, then 6 days could work.

but if you want to use the juice to heal and get the maximum, drink it up the second it gets out pf that juicer.



just like most of the fruits and veggies you get in the store. -most of their nutritional value has deteriorated over the course of the travel life and so you aren't eating as healthy as you might think. flash frozen over fresh in a super market ANY DAY! they are picked at peak ripeness and hold their nutritional values for longer.

but even then, go organic, grow your own, keep the food web close.
Click to expand...
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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Grow Goddess said:
That would be Jack Lalane, and that is a cool juicer too. Now that is a blast from the past. I grew up watching his exercise show with my mom back in the day. Well I watched, she exercised, I was just a kid then.

I wish only the best for Belle. I have heard some good things about juicing the healthy fan leaves, small fresh buds, and shoots. There is a book a lady wrote about it. I will have to see if I can find the info on it and post it.
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I will have the juicer set up in kitchen by the time she gets back from downstate. Maybe I can get her to stop at Randazzo's for some veggies while she is down there.
 
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