Chief Walkin Eagle
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xD I see I've got myself a fan club, Im flattered, wanna follow me on twitter too?... If I used twitter lol
Proving "God" is real..
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trichome fiend
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Heisenberg
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So, IOW you are unable to suggest any reason you should be taken seriously. I suppose your pretense allows you to feel righteous when laughing at others, unfortunately it doesn't provide you with the intellectual capacity to defend your ridicule. I guess the nice thing about pretense is that it doesn't have to be real, especially if your goal is the enjoyment of arrogance. It allows you to deflect when other's find your words absurdly childish; creates an impervious self-reinforcing bubble.
Try not to make too much noise from the kids table, the adults are trying to talk.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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I think its agreed here that heaven and hell are not real
Chief Walkin Eagle
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I gave you some logical things to speculate but you passed it off as mumbo jumbo because it reminded you of the logic of indigo children... I KNOW, you dont agree that I sent you anything that holds meaning, I KNOW that you think my way of thinking is nonsensical, no need to repeat yourself... I think its fair to say that we dont take each other seriously, can we end it there?
Heisenberg
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Got me confused with someone else. I am not even sure what indigo children is a reference to. I don't believe I have criticized any evidence directly, but your basic understand of the elemental foundations of physics and logic. These things are not a matter of opinion. If you make a claim or take an ideological position, and are unwilling or unable to back it up, then you really have no business expressing it to others in the first place, and shouldn't be surprised when they stop taking you seriously. If you are unwilling to hear your ideas criticized by your peers, why bring them to the table at all? Do you suppose you are capable of identifying all possible errors yourself without any help?
As for ending it, I don't intend to harass, or exclude anyone from participation. However, around here, disingenuousness tends to get put in it's place. Expect it.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Changed your message I see.... Anyways, I dont know who the fuck Im talking to either, everything I've been posting lately all has to do with the subject of spirituality... Would you like to see the video that I was referring too? Perhaps you can find some logic in it, but I dont count on it.
eye exaggerate
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...Chief, I thoroughly enjoyed the video and have watched others in the series. Nifty stuff.
mindphuk
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Okay, I watched the relevant part and more. I really don't think you understand what I said because it was not addressed. Using the calculations in the video of taking the circumference of the outer circle and subtracting that of the inner circle gives me a value of 299.687 when I use 230.3 meters (average) for the length of the sides. The speed of light in a vacuum is 299,792,458 m/s. Not only is the number off by a factor of a million, it doesn't mean anything since the meter hadn't even been invented yet and although the Egyptians divided a day in to two twelve hour periods, there is no evidence that they had anything like our standard 'second.' You realize that if I did the measurements using feet or cubits I would get a completely different number. As I said, if you look hard enough and do enough calculations and use different units you can approximate almost any number you are looking for. The speed of light is not encoded in the pyramid. You are merely searching for patterns that mean something and leaving the answers open-ended, you are bound to find some odd coincidences. This is no different than the bible-code, numerology and other synchronicities that seem to be more common than non-mathematicians would think.
As for your obnoxious tone and continued personal insults, I will not bother responding to you if you wish to continue. I have been straightforward and respectful from my very first post. I have also spent some valuable time actually responding to you in a thorough manner and researching your claims. Just because I disagree with you does not give you the right to be rude to me. If you cannot act like a civilized adult, I will no longer participate.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Sorry if my immaturity offends you, I think immaturity is essential to living, because really, who gives a fuck? I just added the smartypants comment because you sounded like you think very highly of yourself when you said the destroy comment. If you're offended, oh fucking well, you dont have to take me seriously or even pay attention to me just like you said, it really should go without saying. And I dont know what to say about your calculations, perhaps that anonymous physicist in the video estimated what he thought to be the true size of the pyramid before hand, or he could just be making stuff up and looking for attention but that wouldnt make sense because hes anonymous... And I strongly suggest you watch the full video because it does explain that they had knowledge of the metric system. This is not the deciding factor but what they believe to be the very top of the pyramid is exactly 1 meter high and the sides are 1.15 meters in length (it is also found to be an exact scale model of the pyramid). Watch a little more and it will further prove that they had knowledge of the metric system... And the architects and physicists that support and are featured in this video are of much higher stature career and education wise, surely they would have seen the flaws you were talking about... And Im aware that if you mathematically dissect and analyse something your bound to get numbers that match up, but pi and the golden number come up way too many times in the pyramid for it to be a mere coincidence, and if you were to take a picture from the air of the pyramids and the sphinx and put a fibonacci spiral over it you would find that they fit together like a puzzle... If your going to try and disprove this video, I suggest you watch the entire video so you dont leave stuff out again.
cannabineer
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You could only view it thus if I'd "laid the word down". I am maintaining a posture that is light on my figurative toes, not committing to uncertain facts while still pulling at the more obvious frays in the fabric you present.
And it's never "a piece of technology" doing the proving. (Am I detecting a technophobic bias?) It's the humans who employ the technology and interpret its yield of data. Knowledge begins and ends with people. The machine is blameless, and by symmetry without the central credit.
I am not certain that Hancock is wrong. Almost, but not quite. A key virtue in scholarly research of any sort, be it physics or anthropology, is consistency. Since Hancock's claim is quite inconsistent with several independent lines of inquiry that yield an age surrounding the time around 2500 BCE, the burden is on him to provide extraordinarily strong evidence to back up his strongly extraordinary claim. He has not done so, since almost any critical thinker will recognize the astrochronological argument he mounts as suggestive but not at all conclusive. For this argument to advance, Hancock or another researcher would have to present a solid case why the available archeological and historical evidence is so far off point.
As for your claim that Hancock is teaching, a teacher's very first obligation to his students is to be right. Failure to hew to this basic tenet is a breach of faith with the students. In this instance, his correctness is neither established nor readily credible. So "teaching" is not an appropriate term for what I recognize as pure speculation costumed as scholarship. As a former professional in a mind-intensive field, I despise arrogation of unearned status as a teacher. cn
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Nifty stuff indeed, I watched every episode of the series, at the end when he talks about Atlantis it does get a bit far-fetched but it was definitely entertaining.
Zaehet Strife
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Very well said Cannabineer
Heisenberg
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You obviously want to be taken seriously or you wouldn't take the time to defend the video. You guard against being thought of as a joke by pretending you do not care. A better way might be to identify your errors and correct them. You are in a place mentally where your mind is impressed by petty patterns and half-baked logic. You perceive this as showing wisdom but when others easily see your mistakes, your only recourse is to double down. It's hard to rise above this, so rather than put the effort into it, you simply belittle others when they disagree. You are already showing signs of the bitterness and resentment this attitude will deliver to you. Thinking for yourself means nothing if it's riddled with mistakes. You end up unwittingly following someone else's fallacious reasoning and spending all your time trying to convince yourself and others that you're perfect.
"If an outsider perceives 'something wrong' with a core scientific model, the humble and justified response of that curious outsider should be to ask 'what mistake am I making?' before assuming 100% of the experts are wrong." - David Brin
Zaehet Strife
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I completely agree 100%. I think it takes someone with true courage, strength and wisdom to see past their mistakes, to admit they are wrong, or that their thought process has glitched in some way... correct themselves, and be happy to have acquired a new understanding of reason, logic, and most importantly... learning more about your self.
"Religion and Spirituality- Because no one wants to think that they are going to cease to exist when they die." -Zaehet Strife
"Fallacies are fallacies. Faith is just a beautiful word for ignoring evidence and logic to maintain peace of mind." - Nick Smeltzer
(Sorry bout the double post, deleted... i'm pretty baked)
Chief Walkin Eagle
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hahaha oh my.
mindphuk
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Look, if we cannot even agree on one claim that you made about the speed of light then why the fuck should I bother picking apart the whole video? Let's get one fact out of the way and then if you disagree on that, then we have nothing more to discuss because I believe I'm being reasonable. If you can use a little critical thinking and listen to what I am explaining rather than looking for reasons I'm wrong, I think you might at least understand why some of us aren't taking you or the video seriously.
First, you claim "they" had knowledge of the metric system. Who is "they"? Egyptians or the advanced beings that knew more than our human ancestors? Considering that our metric system is not something that is discovered but was invented in the 1600s and a meter could have been different, I find your claim hard to believe regardless of who they are.
As for my calculations, you can do them too. However, since the sides of the pyramids are not equal, and considering they vary by more than 10cm, any answer derived from using the measurements in meters would only be correct up to 3 significant digits.
However, Let's use 230.3 meters like I did above and pretend we have 4 significant digits. A circle on the inside of the square has a diameter of 230.3 so multiply by pi and we get a circumference of 723.49. A circle around the outside of the square has a diameter the hypotenuse of the right triangle with each leg 230.3m or 325.69, multiplied by pi and that circle has a circumference of 1023.1. Subtract our earlier 723.49 and we are left with 299.61, we have to drop the 1 and left with 299.6. Like I said, you are off by a factor of a million and even then you can only have 299,600,000. I don't know what number was shown to the physicist because they didn't show us but the physicist only remarked about how it is similar to the speed of light, he didn't calculate the number himself.
Even if the builders had our metric system, it is unlikely they also had our timekeeping system so how would a speed in meters per second actually mean anything to the builders?
As for pi and fibonacci sequence, pi could easily have made it's way into the structure of the pyramid by using rolling logs for measuring long lengths. The phi ratio was well known to ancient Greeks and having it in the Pyramid only suggests that Egyptians recognized it too. As you say it is everywhere in nature. They were the cradle of civilization, they had philosophy and math. It's not evidence of anything otherwordly, just evidence that mankind may have known things earlier than we give them credit for. Anthropology is full of rethinking dates about modern man. Neolithic humans were quite intelligent and creative and they predate the pyramid builders by thousands of years. We actually haven't gained intelligence as a species, only knowledge. People that attribute ancient feats of construction to aliens or gods don't give our ancestors enough credit.
Your appeal to authority is worthless considering you haven't actually vetted these people or know exactly what they said in a possibly highly edited video. Watch a Micheal Moore film or Ben Stein's movie and you can how even experts can say something that apparently supports something they actually do not.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Why should I bother reading your thoroughly thought out paragraph when you wont even pay attention to the video? Im just sharing the ignorance here
mindphuk
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You made a claim in this thread. I asked you for evidence of this claim and you link to an almost 2 hour video. I watch the pertinent section and demonstrate how it is flawed, and demonstrating that you are wrong when you say I won't pay attention to your video. You now ignore my post because I won't watch the whole thing when you won't even acknowledge my criticism of the one thing that I asked you to support to begin with. So am I to deduce from this that you are unable to create your own defense of your statements?
You heard something in a movie that claimed that the speed of light is encoded in the Giza pyramid and you accept this assertion with full credulity without first verifying for yourself this was in fact true. Now when someone else comes along to take issue with this claim, you still defend it, in spite of recognizing you only believe it because you want to, not because there was any real compelling facts to back up this claim. You are a fucking moron. I'm done with your nonsense. I had some glimmer of hope that you could see reason and maybe learn how to apply critical thinking to extraordinary claims. I see that I'm wasting my time.
crazyhazey
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i started noticing that you were wasting your time when that guy responds with one sentence answers to like 3 paragraph arguments. some people on riu just arent worth typing, most are thick headed as fuck.