trayvan martin

[afrawfraw]

No, but we enjoy the presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. Just because a person is arrested for a crime means little if there is no conviction or plea deal. If he wasn't convicted then all of that shit is irrelevant. I'm guessing his attorney will have that shit suppressed, if it can even be admitted as evidence. From a legal standpoint, these arrests are irrelevant. Are you that dense?

I'm assuming by your statements you've never sat on a jury. Sorry, dude, but they are all human. And most have a 12th grade education level, if that. Just knowing he has a propensity for violence, and he has an arrest record, will sit in the jurors minds. I get it, your delusional, and have full faith in our judicial system. Mystery solved, SCOOBY DOO! In REALITY, baby killers and wife killers walk every day. What doesn't change is human behavior. Read a book, take a psychology class, and stop barking at me.

I wonder if those arresting officers can be character witnesses even though the charges were dropped...HMMMMM...

"Merits of Christianity"...OK, NOW I'M LAUGHING!

 

[doc111]

I'm assuming by your statements you've never sat on a jury. Sorry, dude, but they are all human. And most have a 12th grade education level, if that. Just knowing he has a propensity for violence, and he has an arrest record, will sit in the jurors minds. I get it, your delusional, and have full faith in our judicial system. Mystery solved, SCOOBY DOO! In REALITY, baby killers and wife killers walk every day. What doesn't change is human behavior. Read a book, take a psychology class, and stop barking at me.

"Merits of Christianity"...OK, NOW I'M LAUGHING!

Barking at you? Hardly. It's called having a debate. Don't like what I have to say? Too fucking bad! I've sat on a jury before my friend. You are making an awful lot of assumptions about me, yet you don't know a thing about me. I realize that innocent people get sent to prison and vice versa. I'm not saying he wasn't "guilty" of those things he was accused of. However, it will likely be suppressed. Don't shoot the messenger bro. I'm just saying what will likely happen. I have no opinion as to whether or not Zimmerman is guilty. I wasn't there, so I will reserve judgement until I see ALL the evidence. I don't believe in convicting someone based on "theories" or past arrests, let alone past convictions. I realize our judicial system is far from perfect, but we have certain protections for a reason. Not sure if you saw it posted about a hundred pages back, but I was accused of a crime I didn't commit. It nearly cost me my career and all because somebody claimed I did something I did not do. I will not villify someone else based on past allegations. It's frustrating when guilty people walk, but in my mind, I'd rather see a few guilty guys walk than see ONE innocent person imprisoned.

 

[afrawfraw]

On another subject, does any one know how ABC is "Obtaining" all this inside info? They were credited for both the video as well as the photo.

 

[afrawfraw]

Barking at you? Hardly. It's called having a debate. Don't like what I have to say? Too fucking bad! I've sat on a jury before my friend. You are making an awful lot of assumptions about me, yet you don't know a thing about me. I realize that innocent people get sent to prison and vice versa. I'm not saying he wasn't "guilty" of those things he was accused of. However, it will likely be suppressed. Don't shoot the messenger bro. I'm just saying what will likely happen. I have no opinion as to whether or not Zimmerman is guilty. I wasn't there, so I will reserve judgement until I see ALL the evidence. I don't believe in convicting someone based on "theories" or past arrests, let alone past convictions. I realize our judicial system is far from perfect, but we have certain protections for a reason. Not sure if you saw it posted about a hundred pages back, but I was accused of a crime I didn't commit. It nearly cost me my career and all because somebody claimed I did something I did not do. I will not villify someone else based on past allegations. It's frustrating when guilty people walk, but in my mind, I'd rather see a few guilty guys walk than see ONE innocent person imprisoned.

Was it common knowledge among your family and friends that you did this crime often? I'm guessing, no. That is apples and oranges. Zimm is KNOWN for violence. Period. He's a loose cannon. He's been arrested, fired, dumped, Etc. for at LEAST the last 10 years. It's no stretch. What IS a stretch, and defies human behavior, is to suddenly alter your brain patterns in a pursuit situation. I'm not saying FOR SURE that he killed in cold blood. What I AM saying, is that it is far more likely that Zimm provoked this altercation, and when shit went south, he went the cowards route. If he had not gotten out of the car, TM would be alive. Period. These are facts. "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

 

[doc111]

Was it common knowledge among your family and friends that you did this crime often? I'm guessing, no. That is apples and oranges. Zimm is KNOWN for violence. Period. He's a loose cannon. He's been arrested, fired, dumped, Etc. for at LEAST the last 10 years. It's no stretch. What IS a stretch, and defies human behavior, is to suddenly alter your brain patterns in a pursuit situation. I'm not saying FOR SURE that he killed in cold blood. What I AM saying, is that it is far more likely that Zimm provoked this altercation, and when shit went south, he went the cowards route. If he had not gotten out of the car, TM would be alive. Period. These are facts. "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

No jury is going to convict him based on past arrests without any other HARD EVIDENCE, such as credible eyewitness testimony or video. Past convictions? Maybe, but we aren't talking convictions here. Just because something was one way in the past does not make it so in the present. Maybe Zimmerman left his house that night and said to himself "I'm gonna kill me a black kid!". I highly doubt it but you never know. It's also possible that shit happened the way Zimmeran says it did. We just don't know. Are you seriously ready to convict a guy because he MIGHT have done something or because he did something in the past? God, I hope you never become a judge!

 

[afrawfraw]

No jury is going to convict him based on past arrests without any other HARD EVIDENCE, such as credible eyewitness testimony or video. Past convictions? Maybe, but we aren't talking convictions here. Just because something was one way in the past does not make it so in the present. Maybe Zimmerman left his house that night and said to himself "I'm gonna kill me a black kid!". I highly doubt it but you never know. It's also possible that shit happened the way Zimmeran says it did. We just don't know. Are you seriously ready to convict a guy because he MIGHT have done something or because he did something in the past? God, I hope you never become a judge!

Did you even read my post!? I said "I'm not saying FOR SURE that he killed in cold blood. What I am saying, is that it is far more likely that Zimm provoked this altercation..."

I'm not convicting any one. I'm SAYING IT'S FAR MORE LIKELY THAT HE PROVOKED AN ATTACK, and then shot TM. If you don't see anything wrong with that my friend, I hope you never enter law enforcement, period.

 

[afrawfraw]

If you had gone to court, and had an arrest record for your charge, and your family admits you like your charge, and your previous employers testified that you have been seen doing this charge before, you would have been convicted.

 

[cliffey501]

If you had gone to court, and had an arrest record for your charge, and your family admits you like your charge, and your previous employers testified that you have been seen doing this charge before, you would have been convicted.

LOL @ previous employer.It was an under the table security company that did security at illegal house parties.The same employer also said he could never see george committing murder.

 

[afrawfraw]

LOL @ previous employer.It was an under the table security company that did security at illegal house parties.The same employer also said he could never see george committing murder.

Right after saying, I can't believe how hard he snapped. He just lost control. It surprised me because he's usually pretty calm.

 

[doc111]

Did you even read my post!? I said "I'm not saying FOR SURE that he killed in cold blood. What I am saying, is that it is far more likely that Zimm provoked this altercation..."

I'm not convicting any one. I'm SAYING IT'S FAR MORE LIKELY THAT HE PROVOKED AN ATTACK, and then shot TM. If you don't see anything wrong with that my friend, I hope you never enter law enforcement, period.

lmfao!!!!!!! You don't have to worry about ME entering law enforcement!

I've read all of your recent posts in this thread and I GET what you're saying.........and I'm saying that "far more likely" does not equal "guilty". And thank GOD, because there would likely be even MORE innocent people wasting away in our lovely prison system! Law enforcement shouldn't be concerning itself with innocence or guilt or likelihood of guilt. That's for the courts to sort out. Forgive me if I've misinterpreted anything you've posted, but it seems like many people (yourself included) seem to think the guy is guilty and should be convicted because of his past history. If that's not what's being implied, then I apologize.

 

[afrawfraw]

And now Georgie is all bent out of shape because everyone wants to follow him...

 

[cliffey501]

Right after saying, I can't believe how hard he snapped. He just lost control. It surprised me because he's usually pretty calm.

“It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223#ixzz1ssXLX5No
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Sounds to me like any bouncer.I mean its almost like their job is to throw people out of places.Sounds like he really "lost" it.He threw her out and she twisted her ankle.I see this happen almost everytime Im at a bar.

 

[doc111]

If you had gone to court, and had an arrest record for your charge, and your family admits you like your charge, and your previous employers testified that you have been seen doing this charge before, you would have been convicted.

Really???? Because Casey Anthony's own parents thought she had something to do with her daughter's disappearance and subsequent death. She had a history of partying and lying and pretty much everything she told the police turned out to be fiction. SHE didn't get convicted, so there goes that theory! lol!

The law is very complex and a conviction or acquital is going to depend on a lot of things. This case has quite a few similarities to Casey Anthony. A good attorney is going to move to suppress any past arrests or convictions. He will probably get it in this case. Some of Casey Anthony's priors DID come into play. I doubt we will see this here. If it doesn't come up in court, the jury can't weigh that evidence. If they do, then we would probably have a mistrial. Jury instructions are VERY explicit! We will see what the prosecution has up its sleeve. Until then, all we can really do is speculate.

 

[afrawfraw]

Really???? Because Casey Anthony's own parents thought she had something to do with her daughter's disappearance and subsequent death. She had a history of partying and lying and pretty much everything she told the police turned out to be fiction. SHE didn't get convicted, so there goes that theory! lol!

The law is very complex and a conviction or acquital is going to depend on a lot of things. This case has quite a few similarities to Casey Anthony. A good attorney is going to move to suppress any past arrests or convictions. He will probably get it in this case. Some of Casey Anthony's priors DID come into play. I doubt we will see this here. If it doesn't come up in court, the jury can't weigh that evidence. If they do, then we would probably have a mistrial. Jury instructions are VERY explicit! We will see what the prosecution has up its sleeve. Until then, all we can really do is speculate.

WUH!? Partying and lying equals murder!? Did CA have a history of child abuse towards children? Did she have a first child that died suspiciously? No. And she WAS convicted, just not on all charges, which I helped you explain in another post...Sheesh.

And I'm sorry you go clubing in Kabul! I would be appalled if I saw a bouncer " Pick up and throw" a woman to the ground. I bounced for 3 years at a little place called "The Lime Light". I never picked up and threw anyone, and I'm 6 feet, 300 lbs. I used restraints and pressure points, like any trained bouncer does. A college student with a "Security" shirt is not a bouncer! Why would a "Bouncer"'s boss describe him as "Losing" it and "Out of control" if it was business as usual? I see your Fail rifle! KA-KA-KA-KA-KA-FAIL!

 

[afrawfraw]

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223#ixzz1ssgxgygA

Full quote here. "He got all nuts." "It was pure rage."

I totally want this guy walking around with a loaded side arm...Sheesh.​

 

[Carne Seca]

“It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223#ixzz1ssXLX5No
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Sounds to me like any bouncer.I mean its almost like their job is to throw people out of places.Sounds like he really "lost" it.He threw her out and she twisted her ankle.I see this happen almost everytime Im at a bar.

Funny how you're so eager to prove Zimmerman innocent that you justify his history of violent behavior. No it's not a bouncer's job to pick up a woman and throw her to the ground. He assaulted her and that's a crime. I'm surprised the woman didn't press charges. Also, the man was a student studying law enforcement and he was working at illegal house parties? He was aiding and abetting law breaking and he wanted to go into law enforcement? Wow, what a stand up guy! Personally, I don't care if he's guilty or innocent of manslaughter/2nd degree murder or whatever. I'm just glad it went to trial and there will be a microscope on Sanford's police department and the total fuck up this case has been from the get-go. Hopefully, some changes will happen.

 

[cliffey501]

WUH!? Partying and lying equals murder!? Did CA have a history of child abuse towards children? Did she have a first child that died suspiciously? No. And she WAS convicted, just not on all charges, which I helped you explain in another post...Sheesh.

And I'm sorry you go clubing in Kabul! I would be appalled if I saw a bouncer " Pick up and throw" a woman to the ground. I bounced for 3 years at a little place called "The Lime Light". I never picked up and threw anyone, and I'm 6 feet, 300 lbs. I used restraints and pressure points, like any trained bouncer does. A college student with a "Security" shirt is not a bouncer! Why would a "Bouncer"'s boss describe him as "Losing" it and "Out of control" if it was business as usual? I see your Fail rifle! KA-KA-KA-KA-KA-FAIL!

He wasn't a trained bouncer dumb dumb.Hence the reason he worked underground security at illegal house parties.And under your own admission you used force to remove disorderly patrons including woman Im sure,unless the limelight is a gay bar.

 

[Carne Seca]

He wasn't a trained bouncer dumb dumb.Hence the reason he worked underground security at illegal house parties.And under your own admission you used force to remove disorderly patrons including woman Im sure,unless the limelight is a gay bar.

I should have known you would be an expert on gay bars. You must do a lot of personal research.

 

[cliffey501]

Funny how you're so eager to prove Zimmerman innocent that you justify his history of violent behavior. No it's not a bouncer's job to pick up a woman and throw her to the ground. He assaulted her and that's a crime. I'm surprised the woman didn't press charges. Also, the man was a student studying law enforcement and he was working at illegal house parties? He was aiding and abetting law breaking and he wanted to go into law enforcement? Wow, what a stand up guy! Personally, I don't care if he's guilty or innocent of manslaughter/2nd degree murder or whatever. I'm just glad it went to trial and there will be a microscope on Sanford's police department and the total fuck up this case has been from the get-go. Hopefully, some changes will happen.

This took place in 2005.Try to keep up.He currently worked as an underwriter at a mortgage company and a student.

 

[kelly4]

He wasn't a trained bouncer dumb dumb.Hence the reason he worked underground security at illegal house parties.And under your own admission you used force to remove disorderly patrons including woman Im sure,unless the limelight is a gay bar.

Thats funny!


Carne,how does not knowing if a bar is a gay bar or not, make cliffey501 "an expert on gay bars"?