trayvan martin

[MuyLocoNC]

Zimmerman had NO BUSINESS persuing TM once the police ORDERED him to stop!

Wrong. He wasn't ORDERED to do anything AND had EVERY right to go wherever he so pleases. Repeating that lie is starting to make you look foolish.

 

[doc111]

Uhhh, he did.

Have you listened to the 911 call!?

Stay. "no"
Stay. "no"
STAY! "It's cold" (Exiting vehicle)
STAY! "BANG"

Or did Treyvon Martin punch Zimmy through the glass? And then unbroke the glass? Zimmerman had NO BUSINESS persuing TM once the police ORDERED him to stop!

OMFG!!!!!!! The police never "ordered" Zimmerman to stop! Even the dispatcher never "ordered" him to stop. The dispatcher CANNOT order anyone to do anything! He/she can "strongly recommend" or "strongly suggest". They cannot give "lawful orders". Sheesh!!!!

 

[afrawfraw]

He was never ordered not to engage.
He was never ordered to remain in his vehicle.

Let's have some fun, since you continue to make statements that are untrue, you're either a pathological liar OR a complete idiot.

YOU PICK!

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Are you following him?

Yes.

WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT!

Read it yourself, Idgit!

He was told to wait! The call originated inside his truck. He told dispatch where he was. Then he said, "Have them call me and I'll tell them where I am." He never said, "In pursuit", the first thing anyone with LEO training would do!

This isn't rocket science. At least not to me. Are we having fun yet!?

 

[afrawfraw]

OMFG!!!!!!! The police never "ordered" Zimmerman to stop! Even the dispatcher never "ordered" him to stop. The dispatcher CANNOT order anyone to do anything! He/she can "strongly recommend" or "strongly suggest". They cannot give "lawful orders". Sheesh!!!!

"We don't NEED you to do that." = Your presence is not needed. Fucking stop angry armed fucker. Oh, I'm not needed. Better follow this stranger any way, even though there's no point to it. That's starting a fight, just so you know.

EDIT: OK, not ordered, but he should have taken it as such having LEO training and all.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Are you following him?

Yes.

WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT!

Read it yourself, Idgit!

He was told to wait! The call originated inside his truck. He told dispatch where he was. Then he said, "Have them call me and I'll tell them where I am." He never said, "In pursuit", the first thing anyone with LEO training would do!

This isn't rocket science. At least not to me. Are we having fun yet!?

As I've stated so many times before, the dispatcher could have told him they didn't NEED him to make a ham sandwich, but he could have legally done that as well.

I think I'm gonna take a page off the UB playbook and post the following quote EVERY time someone brings up what happened before the physical altercation.

Is there a law in Florida against speaking to someone? No.
Is there a law in Forida against running after someone to speak to them? No.
Is there a law in Forida against asking someone their business? No.
Is there a law in Florida against running after someone to ask them their business? No.
Was Zimmerman recorded on a call or heard by Dee Dee asking Trayvon "what are you doing here" or something to that effect. I believe it was.
It's fair to say that Zimmerman did nothing illegal up to and including the moment he asked the question. That being the case, I'd say it definitely matters who threw the first punch and it definitely matters what happened after that. Everything that happened before the attack (whoever initiated the actual physical violence) was legal and while pertinent, won't have much bearing on the outcome.
As I've said from the start, if Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, he's screwed. If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, he walks or gets a slap on the wrist.

 

[doc111]

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Are you following him?

Yes.

WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT!

Read it yourself, Idgit!

He was told to wait! The call originated inside his truck. He told dispatch where he was. Then he said, "Have them call me and I'll tell them where I am." He never said, "In pursuit", the first thing anyone with LEO training would do!

This isn't rocket science. At least not to me. Are we having fun yet!?

lol! Yep, I'm having a BLAST!!!!!

I can't tell if you're being obtuse or you just don't get it...........

 

[doc111]

"We don't NEED you to do that." = Your presence is not needed. Fucking stop angry armed fucker. Oh, I'm not needed. Better follow this stranger any way, even though there's no point to it. That's starting a fight, just so you know.

EDIT: OK, not ordered, but he should have taken it as such having LEO training and all.

Where is the PROOF that he followed after he was ordered not to? I'm not talking about edited 911 tapes either. And even if he did, the fact that the dispatcher cannot give lawful orders makes it IRRELEVANT!

 

[kelly4]

^^^^^like!^^^^^

I wasn't calling him that! That was to suggest some people ASSUME things about people on here. I was actually ripping on particular people, they know who they are.

 

[afrawfraw]

As I've stated so many times before, the dispatcher could have told him they didn't NEED him to make a ham sandwich, but he could have legally done that as well.

I think I'm gonna take a page off the UB playbook and post the following quote EVERY time someone brings up what happened before the physical altercation.

Here we go again...Law,law,law.

So we can conclude that OJ is innocent, and Michael Jackson was innocent. (All 3 times)

I'm not speculating on the outcome of the trial. I'm saying use rational thought. It's dark and raining. You see a shadowed figure lurking about. You say, "Hey." He runs off. You call the police. He ducks into a dark alley. IF YOU CONTINUE YOUR PURSUIT, WHY!? Back up is on route. If this guy breaks in somewhere, he'll be in custody in minutes. If he's leaving the park, he's leaving. WHY PURSUE? Because your emotional. Period.

 

[afrawfraw]

Where is the PROOF that he followed after he was ordered not to? I'm not talking about edited 911 tapes either. And even if he did, the fact that the dispatcher cannot give lawful orders makes it IRRELEVANT!

So the 911 transcripts are a conspiracy now!? Oh, brother. *Facepalm*

 

[afrawfraw]

Oh, let's have some fun. So in 2005 he was fired for completely losing it. Your reasoning is lack of training. He is approved in 2008 and begins LEO training. FOUR YEARS LATER, he disregards protocals, disregards a direct order not to engage, disregards orders to remain in his vehicle, and pursues TM further.

Now either 1) He was in control of his anger, due to Anger Management classes, and LEO training, and started the scuffle on purpose.

Or 2) He learned nothing from LEO training and AM Classes and lost his cool and started a fight.

YOU PICK!

You never picked....

 

[Carne Seca]

Sanford police chief Bill Lee expected to resign today.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Here we go again...Law,law,law.

So we can conclude that OJ is innocent, and Michael Jackson was innocent. (All 3 times)

I'm not speculating on the outcome of the trial. I'm saying use rational thought. It's dark and raining. You see a shadowed figure lurking about. You say, "Hey." He runs off. You call the police. He ducks into a dark alley. IF YOU CONTINUE YOUR PURSUIT, WHY!? Back up is on route. If this guy breaks in somewhere, he'll be in custody in minutes. If he's leaving the park, he's leaving. WHY PURSUE? Because your emotional. Period.

Agreed, but we are ONLY discussing the legality of the actions that were taken, to my knowledge no one is saying Zimmerman acted intelligently or that he couldn't have handled the situation better. But that discussion is pointless as Trayvon is dead and the "law, law, law" is what this thread is entirely about.

 

[afrawfraw]

"They always get away"

Sounds like a true Vulcan. Rational. Factual.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

He was never ordered not to engage.
He was never ordered to remain in his vehicle.

Let's have some fun, since you continue to make statements that are untrue, you're either a pathological liar OR a complete idiot.

YOU PICK!

Neither did you.

Lol. Just kidding around.

 

[doc111]

So the 911 transcripts are a conspiracy now!? Oh, brother. *Facepalm*

Where the fuck do you get this shit? lmfao!!!!!! You DO realize how all these ASSumptions are making you look right now?

I'll explain (again); Edited transcripts often don't give the entire picture. This has already happened in the media where an edited 911 transcript made it look like Zimmerman was racially profiling when after hearing the exerpt in its entirety we see that he was simply responding to the dispatchers questioning about a description. Never did I mention conspiracy. I simply am not going to listen to a snippet of a 911 tape and make a judgement as to the innocence or guilt of Zimmerman.

 

[kelly4]

Here we go again...Law,law,law.

I hate it when the law gets in the way of someone making an irrational arguement!

 

[afrawfraw]

Even with all of you against me, you still can't explain Zimmermans MOTIVE for persuing TM.

It's legal to do a lot of things.

Zimmermans lawyers will have to prove that he tried to avoid conflict. How are you avoiding conflict by following someone? I don't think stand your ground will help Zimmy here.

He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

He approached a law abiding citizen, ran after them when they fled, made them feel threatened, and then shot them when they tried to defend themselves.

REMEMBER, Zimms not a cop. If he had been an on duty LEO, my position would be different.

 

[afrawfraw]

Then again, this is Florida. Perhaps he'll walk. Perhaps the people of Florida condone this type of action. Pull that shit in my state, and Zimmy would be the one dead for running after strangers in the night.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/trayvon-shooters-911-calls-potholes-piles-trash-black-men

Scroll down for a HISTORY REPORT for Georgie. Good thing WE don't live near him.

 

[cliffey501]

Even with all of you against me, you still can't explain Zimmermans MOTIVE for persuing TM.

It's legal to do a lot of things.

Zimmermans lawyers will have to prove that he tried to avoid conflict. How are you avoiding conflict by following someone? I don't think stand your ground will help Zimmy here.

He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

He approached a law abiding citizen, ran after them when they fled, made them feel threatened, and then shot them when they tried to defend themselves.

REMEMBER, Zimms not a cop. If he had been an on duty LEO, my position would be different.

He says right in the 911 tape that he lost trayvon.How exactly is he pursuing him?