Atheists

Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Oh you guys are gunna LOVE who wrote this lol

Atheists are of three kinds.​

  1. The mere stupid man. (Often he is very clever, as Bolingbroke, Bradlaugh and Foote were clever). He has found out one of the minor arcana, and hugs it and despises those who see more than himself, or who regard things from a different standpoint. Hence he is usually a bigot, intolerant even of tolerance.
  2. The despairing wretch, who, having sought God everywhere, and failed to find Him, thinks everyone else is as blind as he is, and that if he has failed—he, the seeker after truth!—it is because there is no goal. In his cry there is pain, as with the stupid kind of atheist there is smugness and self-satisfaction. Both are diseased Egos.
  3. The philosophical adept, who, knowing God, says “There is No God,” meaning, “God is Zero,” as qabalistically He is. He holds atheism as a philosophical speculation as good as any other, and perhaps less likely to mislead mankind and do other practical damage as any other. Him you may know by his equanimity, enthusiasm, and devotion. I again refer to Liber 418 for an explanation of this mystery. The nine religions are crowned by the ring of adepts whose password is “There is No God,” so inflected that even the Magister when received among them had not wisdom to interpret it.

There is a fourth kind of atheist, not really an atheist at all. He is but a traveller in the Land of No God, and knows that it is but a stage on his journey—and a stage, moreover, not far from the goal. Daath is not on the Tree of Life; and in Daath there is no God as there is in the Sephiroth, for Daath cannot understand unity at all. If he thinks of it, it is only to hate it, as the one thing which he is most certainly not (see Liber 418, 10th Æthyr. I may remark in passing that this book is the best known to me on Advanced Qabalah, and of course it is only intelligibile to Advanced Students).This atheist, not in-being but in-passing, is a very apt subject for initiation. He has done with the illusions of dogma. From a Knight of the Royal Mystery he has risen to understand with the members of the Sovereign Sanctuary that all is symbolic; all, if you will, the Jugglery of the Magician. He is tired of theories and systems of theology and all such toys; and being weary and anhungered and athirst seeks a seat at the Table of Adepts, and a portion of the Bread of Spiritual Experience, and a draught of the wine of Ecstasy.

(My words) I'd like to think atheists of today are a combination of these... I think one and two are the most frequent mixes.​
 
delvite

delvite

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Oh you guys are gunna LOVE who wrote this lol

Atheists are of three kinds.​

  1. The mere stupid man. (Often he is very clever, as Bolingbroke, Bradlaugh and Foote were clever). He has found out one of the minor arcana, and hugs it and despises those who see more than himself, or who regard things from a different standpoint. Hence he is usually a bigot, intolerant even of tolerance.
  2. The despairing wretch, who, having sought God everywhere, and failed to find Him, thinks everyone else is as blind as he is, and that if he has failed—he, the seeker after truth!—it is because there is no goal. In his cry there is pain, as with the stupid kind of atheist there is smugness and self-satisfaction. Both are diseased Egos.
  3. The philosophical adept, who, knowing God, says “There is No God,” meaning, “God is Zero,” as qabalistically He is. He holds atheism as a philosophical speculation as good as any other, and perhaps less likely to mislead mankind and do other practical damage as any other. Him you may know by his equanimity, enthusiasm, and devotion. I again refer to Liber 418 for an explanation of this mystery. The nine religions are crowned by the ring of adepts whose password is “There is No God,” so inflected that even the Magister when received among them had not wisdom to interpret it.

There is a fourth kind of atheist, not really an atheist at all. He is but a traveller in the Land of No God, and knows that it is but a stage on his journey—and a stage, moreover, not far from the goal. Daath is not on the Tree of Life; and in Daath there is no God as there is in the Sephiroth, for Daath cannot understand unity at all. If he thinks of it, it is only to hate it, as the one thing which he is most certainly not (see Liber 418, 10th Æthyr. I may remark in passing that this book is the best known to me on Advanced Qabalah, and of course it is only intelligibile to Advanced Students).This atheist, not in-being but in-passing, is a very apt subject for initiation. He has done with the illusions of dogma. From a Knight of the Royal Mystery he has risen to understand with the members of the Sovereign Sanctuary that all is symbolic; all, if you will, the Jugglery of the Magician. He is tired of theories and systems of theology and all such toys; and being weary and anhungered and athirst seeks a seat at the Table of Adepts, and a portion of the Bread of Spiritual Experience, and a draught of the wine of Ecstasy.

(My words) I'd like to think atheists of today are a combination of these... I think one and two are the most frequent mixes.​
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id like to mail him this.............................................http://atheismblog.blogspot.co.uk/2008/05/100-reasons-to-believe-that-god-does.html
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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All one has to do is acknowledge the source. Crowley's writings and philosophy have as much merit as your own. I'd consider your post more seriously if it were written by Big Bird...
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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/sigh, you cant BE agnostic. Agnostic is a position you take, not something you are. You can be agnostic atheist, agnostic theist, agnostic deist etc. etc. etc. Heis helped me figure this one out.
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Zaehet Strife said:
/sigh, you cant BE agnostic. Agnostic is a position you take, not something you are. You can be agnostic atheist, agnostic theist, agnostic deist etc. etc. etc. Heis helped me figure this one out.
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*sigh* most peoples definition of agnostic is believing that theres some form of higher power but they dont really stress too much thinking about it... Drop the literal terminologies and get with the program, man.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
*sigh* most peoples definition of agnostic is believing that theres some form of higher power but they dont really stress too much thinking about it... Drop the literal terminologies and get with the program, man.
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Someone that believes there is some sort of higher power is by definition a theist. Drop the ambiguous terminologies and shifting of the goalposts just to suit your position.
 
Doer

Doer

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Wikipedia:

Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who is undecided about the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively.[SUP][2][/SUP] In the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify the belief that deities either do or do not exist. Within agnosticism there are agnostic atheists (who do not believe any deity exists, but do not deny it as a possibility) and agnostic theists (who believe a deity exists but do not claim it as personal knowledge).
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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lefty11 said:
All I know is there ain't no atheists in a foxhole and thats the truth.
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I believe we have narrowed this down to one of two reasons. Jesus is in the foxhole and the atheist sees him, becoming a theist. Or else fear and uncertainty are really what motivates theists to believe, and a foxhole is the scariest situation they can imagine themselves in, which really has nothing to do with atheists.
 
robert 14617

robert 14617

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i am agnostic , i am not convinced this how i describe myself get over it , i will be a theist if there is proof , or i will be a atheist if it is proven , i am not convinced therefore i am agnostic
 
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