after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

The Growery

Active Member
no disrespect the growery but thats not even close to a gram per watt and since you only have 4 plants than that means you veged those for a very long time. if i were you i would test out advanced nutrients im confident you would get much better results
oh ya I am well aware, but I only vegged for 6 weeks (check out my grow journal) and it was my first grow so I had to buy clones and 4 was all I was willing to purchase. for 4 plants vegged for 6 weeks, 3 lbs is pretty good. I will never use AN nutes... some of their additives are things the plants produce naturally like.... B-52 LOL. to each their own though, good luck!
 

homebrewer

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oh ya I am well aware, but I only vegged for 6 weeks (check out my grow journal) and it was my first grow so I had to buy clones and 4 was all I was willing to purchase. for 4 plants vegged for 6 weeks, 3 lbs is pretty good. I will never use AN nutes... some of their additives are things the plants produce naturally like.... B-52 LOL. to each their own though, good luck!
You produced 12 ounces per plant which is really good regardless of how many watts you were running. Well done!
 

hugetom80s

Well-Known Member
Wow, I'm not even going to claim I've read everything posted in the last few days. Some of you guys have way more free time than I do (or don't post during "free time" as the case may be.)

Homebrewer - I'm not going to get into a futile argument with you trying to prove I don't work for AN. You've abundantly demonstrated that your mind can't be changed about anything that relates to Advanced Nutrients. Besides, any classically-educated person knows the futility of proving a negative. Barring the ability to prove a contradicting positive such as where I do work, which obviously raises concerns to safeguarding my identity, it can't be done. And even if I could somehow prove to your satisfaction (if such a quantity of proof even exists) you would/could simply claim that I also worked for AN. It's an argument that is impossible to win for anyone. I could ask you to prove you don't work for Wal-Mart. Short of proving your identity and providing tax forms you can't do it.

The same identity concerns are why I don't post photographs, which makes the idea of any grow journal a little silly. Those who are familiar with how computers work know the lunacy of believing anything, once on the internet, is ever deleted can understand. Until such time as I am personally satisfied it's possible to post a picture that cannot - using any current or future technology - be traced back to me I will continue to err on the side of safety.

So I'm not going to bother launching into a lengthy and fruitless debate on the topic with anyone, least of all someone who's willfully chosen to be immune to reason. The mere fact that you see everything I do in commercial terms, and believe I'm "pushing" products when I rarely ever actually recommend someone buy something and when I do I am more likely to be recommending someone get fewer things than what the actual salesman at the store says they need... well that just proves to me that you view me the way you want to see me and not with any actual clarity.


A very apt observation was made earlier in this thread. If you do a search for Advanced Nutrients on this forum, or for Dyna-Gro, this guy's name turns up a lot. Think about the effort involved to track down and post on every thread that mentions those two nutrients. That's thousands of posts. Definitely not a job I'd want. Then frost that cake with the fact that he's the first one to point fingers and call someone a shill. It doesn't take a Freudian psychologist to form a theory on that. We see in others what lurks within ourselves. The first person to accuse another of cheating is usually a cheater. Liars see liars in everyone they meet. Empathy is nothing more than a projection of our own ego into another person's place and using that to predict how we would react if we were them. So the darkness within ourselves is the darkness we most commonly see in other people, reflected in the mirror of our own ego.

The real tragedy for those suspicious-natured finger-pointers is that it might never occur to the rest of us to suspect them of anything until they bring up the topic. Homebrewer might never have been seen as anything but a confusingly eager AN-hater if he hadn't brought up the topic of being a shill.
 

Stonefree69

Member
I've come across at least a few dozen experienced growers through RIU, GC and a bunch of other forums. They all have their
preferences for nutes. But many are using GH/Lucas formula and Dyna-Gro w/excellent results using the KISS approach, including
Advanced Nutrients.

I can say I've learned both from tree king & homebrewer. I do have my disdain for sock puppets, that's for sure. I've been called
one once (inquisitively mentioning mykos product names), so I know not to jump to conclusions as well.
 

tree king

Well-Known Member
very good post hugetom i agree

i just measured some of my tallest plants and there 38". big difference between those 22" midgets i had last time with dyna gro. thats almost double the fuckin height lol! cant wait to see my final yield
 

Kite High

Well-Known Member
Wow, I'm not even going to claim I've read everything posted in the last few days. Some of you guys have way more free time than I do (or don't post during "free time" as the case may be.)

Homebrewer - I'm not going to get into a futile argument with you trying to prove I don't work for AN. You've abundantly demonstrated that your mind can't be changed about anything that relates to Advanced Nutrients. Besides, any classically-educated person knows the futility of proving a negative. Barring the ability to prove a contradicting positive such as where I do work, which obviously raises concerns to safeguarding my identity, it can't be done. And even if I could somehow prove to your satisfaction (if such a quantity of proof even exists) you would/could simply claim that I also worked for AN. It's an argument that is impossible to win for anyone. I could ask you to prove you don't work for Wal-Mart. Short of proving your identity and providing tax forms you can't do it.

The same identity concerns are why I don't post photographs, which makes the idea of any grow journal a little silly. Those who are familiar with how computers work know the lunacy of believing anything, once on the internet, is ever deleted can understand. Until such time as I am personally satisfied it's possible to post a picture that cannot - using any current or future technology - be traced back to me I will continue to err on the side of safety.

So I'm not going to bother launching into a lengthy and fruitless debate on the topic with anyone, least of all someone who's willfully chosen to be immune to reason. The mere fact that you see everything I do in commercial terms, and believe I'm "pushing" products when I rarely ever actually recommend someone buy something and when I do I am more likely to be recommending someone get fewer things than what the actual salesman at the store says they need... well that just proves to me that you view me the way you want to see me and not with any actual clarity.


A very apt observation was made earlier in this thread. If you do a search for Advanced Nutrients on this forum, or for Dyna-Gro, this guy's name turns up a lot. Think about the effort involved to track down and post on every thread that mentions those two nutrients. That's thousands of posts. Definitely not a job I'd want. Then frost that cake with the fact that he's the first one to point fingers and call someone a shill. It doesn't take a Freudian psychologist to form a theory on that. We see in others what lurks within ourselves. The first person to accuse another of cheating is usually a cheater. Liars see liars in everyone they meet. Empathy is nothing more than a projection of our own ego into another person's place and using that to predict how we would react if we were them. So the darkness within ourselves is the darkness we most commonly see in other people, reflected in the mirror of our own ego.

The real tragedy for those suspicious-natured finger-pointers is that it might never occur to the rest of us to suspect them of anything until they bring up the topic. Homebrewer might never have been seen as anything but a confusingly eager AN-hater if he hadn't brought up the topic of being a shill.
as he again buries his head in the sand
 

tree king

Well-Known Member
wow treeking. now i see why you didn't want to talk about nutes in the other thread. lol. good luck man. looks like you got your hands full over here.
yes sir no doubt lol

il post more pictures in the next week. the plants im growing barely put out any buds in the first 5 weeks so theres nothing to really see right now
 

Trich Fiend

New Member
just stick with what you like treeking. nutrients will be debated till the end of time. everyone has an opinion. some guys get all fired up about them as if you were discussing politics or something. if you like sensi then stick with it. dyna nutes aren't really any cheaper than sensi. maybe $15 more for sensi and sensi is about 20% more concentrated so it all works out in the end. you don't need any more additives with sensi than you need with dyna.
 

tree king

Well-Known Member
just stick with what you like treeking. nutrients will be debated till the end of time. everyone has an opinion. some guys get all fired up about them as if you were discussing politics or something. if you like sensi then stick with it. dyna nutes aren't really any cheaper than sensi. maybe $15 more for sensi and sensi is about 20% more concentrated so it all works out in the end. you don't need any more additives with sensi than you need with dyna.
very important post right here thank you trich fiend!

HOMEBREWER IS 100% WRONG SAYING DYNA GRO IS ALOT MORE CONCENTRATED THAN ADVANCED NUTRIENTS

after you add everything up the sensi 2 part might be like 15% more money but 10 ml of a and 10 ml of b is more concentrated than 10 ml of dyna gro bloom i ran some tests and heres what i found

630 tds 10 ml of dyna gro bloom in a gal of water
790 tds 10 ml of sensi a bloom and 10 ml of sensi bloom b

a gal of sensi 2 part a&b is like $73

a gal of dyna gro bloom is like $50

these nutes are basically almost the same price do the math! i should mention though that dyna gro grow is alot more concentrated than the bloom so theres an advantage there. i got 985 ppm with 10 ml of grow in a gal of water
 

Trich Fiend

New Member
very important post right here thank you trich fiend!

HOMEBREWER IS 100% WRONG SAYING DYNA GRO IS ALOT MORE CONCENTRATED THAN ADVANCED NUTRIENTS

after you add everything up the sensi 2 part might be like 15% more money but 10 ml of a and 10 ml of b is more concentrated than 10 ml of dyna gro bloom i ran some tests and heres what i found

630 tds 10 ml of dyna gro bloom in a gal of water
790 tds 10 ml of sensi a bloom and 10 ml of sensi bloom b

a gal of sensi 2 part a&b is like $73

a gal of dyna gro bloom is like $50

these nutes are basically almost the same price do the math! i should mention though that dyna gro grow is alot more concentrated than the bloom so theres an advantage there. i got 985 ppm with 10 ml of grow in a gal of water
what ppm did you get on sensi grow?
 

crazyhazey

Well-Known Member
just stick with what you like treeking. nutrients will be debated till the end of time. everyone has an opinion. some guys get all fired up about them as if you were discussing politics or something. if you like sensi then stick with it. dyna nutes aren't really any cheaper than sensi. maybe $15 more for sensi and sensi is about 20% more concentrated so it all works out in the end. you don't need any more additives with sensi than you need with dyna.
a good point, different strains prefer different food so nutes will work differently sometimes. once youve got a strain dialed in, you should be able to grow it with just about anything if you know how to mix your nutes right.
 

Trich Fiend

New Member
i think everyone knows you can throw most nutrient company calculators out the window. they are pretty much worthless. from my experience seems that veg formulas are more concentrated and take less to move tds. not sure why that is but it always seems that way. maybe cause nutrient companies make bloom formulas less concentrated to leave room for additives. who knows.
 

tree king

Well-Known Member
i think everyone knows you can throw most nutrient company calculators out the window. they are pretty much worthless. from my experience seems that veg formulas are more concentrated and take less to move tds. not sure why that is but it always seems that way. maybe cause nutrient companies make bloom formulas less concentrated to leave room for additives. who knows.
i think your right trich it seems like when i only dump in 15ml of grow it moves the ppm alot. im gonna test it now
 

tree king

Well-Known Member
yeah so it looks like the grow and bloom are the same concentration. the grow measured 750ppm but when i did the dyna gro twice i had a difference of like 40-50 ppm so its in the ballpark of the bloom. that doesnt really surprise me after seeing the additives are added at the same ratio like i said earlier. thats one of things i like about AN is that its very specific and easy to remember the 50% ratio of all additives to use compared to the nutes
 

Trich Fiend

New Member
yeah so it looks like the grow and bloom are the same concentration. the grow measured 750ppm but when i did the dyna gro twice i had a difference of like 40-50 ppm so its in the ballpark of the bloom. that doesnt really surprise me after seeing the additives are added at the same ratio like i said earlier. thats one of things i like about AN is that its very specific and easy to remember the 50% ratio of all additives to use compared to the nutes
that's cool. thanks for doing that treeking. i guess since you keep your ppm steady at 300-400 then you can just do 50% additives. when you go higher that ratio becomes different. you ever run any strains over 500ppm?
 

tree king

Well-Known Member
that's cool. thanks for doing that treeking. i guess since you keep your ppm steady at 300-400 then you can just do 50% additives. when you go higher that ratio becomes different. you ever run any strains over 500ppm?
the highest i ever ran healthy plants in flower was i forget either 500 or 600ppm. it was a massive yielding cash cropper strain. i was also very surprised when i was able to give the moms 1000 ppm when i had them in some big pots. that was the only strain i can remember where i could go that high even right now im keeping my moms of blubonic at 3-400. i got a feeling though that these connoisseur secret recipe's that im growing out right now from seed are gonna be able to handle a good amount more nutes cause there supposed to yield massive
 

Trich Fiend

New Member
you got me curios so i just ran the test myself. i used r/o water with a ppm of 6. i ran each test twice using 2ml of parts a & b in 1 liter of water and this is what i got. i used a very accurate syringe to measure the nutes and a measuring pitcher for the water. i also calibrated my hanna growcheck meter in 1500ppm solution beforehand.

sensi grow a & b (2ml each) in 1 liter of water - 926ppm (test 1)
sensi grow a & b (2ml each) in 1 liter of water - 917ppm (test 2)

sensi bloom a & b (2ml each) in 1 liter of water - 809ppm (test 1)
sensi bloom a & b (2ml each) in 1 liter of water - 831ppm (test 2)
 
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