Im with you guys on this one...the only time i trim, well i guess never, unless you want to count pruning as trimming. I also take clones, but i have yet to see my babies droop or sag from this, they are always "perky". I like fdd's quote...mother natures been doing it without us and it managed to make it this far, why interfeer with nature. the only time i will do anything like reomving a leaf is when i know for a fact its dead, as in yellow and dried up, I will never remove one of the green sun leaves, momma nature put them there for a reason,and if its not broke i wont fix it.....
On a side note, closely related...i do do the L.S.T. method and why I switch over to the flowering cycle I like to "pull back" the sun leaves to expose the lower nods to more light, but when I do this i always make sure i dont remove or damage the sun leaves, they are still connected to the plant but are "below" the bend in the plant....if the gallery was up i would upload a picture to it so you can see what I am talking about. sorry fellas, will have to wait
in the meantime lets pass this around------->