UncleBuck
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reality on the ground begs to differ.
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UncleBuck
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at least you can just come out and say it, unlike these long-winded dickbags who try to make a humanitarian investment into other countries into some sort of partisan hackery nonsense.
and for the record, i completely disagree with you on foreign aid.
Dr Kynes
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It was supposed to be an investment in unemployed Americans, that it went to another place is bullshit, that it went to dick scrubbing is hilarious. Thats the point, now get off your high horse and deal with the facts. Obama spends money we aint got for stupid shit we dont need just like bush did, and clinton did, and bush1 did, and reagan did, and carter did, and so on all the way back to the last Balanced Budget in the USA under Andrew Jackson. Thats the problem.
waving your partisan flag and shouting about how its ok, cuz its for a "social good" is bullshit and you know it. when youre broke you gotta stop spending. thats just a fact.
UncleBuck
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lol @ "we're broke".
nothing in that bill dictated that it had to be solely for the purpose f putting americans back to work, which is why nearly half of it was tax breaks.
+ WitchDoctor +
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Saying this a second time didn't make it make any more sense.
What the hell are you talking about lol. It was STIMULUS MONEY FOR AMERICA. Whether it was used to put Americans back to work, or used for education, or USED TO SHOW PEOPLE HOW TO WASH THEIR HEEHAWS...it was for America and Obama had no right to use it for another country. That's the point. I'm not sure what point you're trying to argue....
And foreign aid not only takes from us our liberty, but imposes on the liberty of others in other countries. We use foreign aid as a bargaining chip, and then when the countries leaders piss us off.....we cut off the aid, tell other countries not to trade with them...and then set up fifty something stations set up around the perimeter of their country with Armed officers...just to make sure the citizens their "feel safe".
Charity is a wonderful thing, but it's up to us as free individuals to give it. We shouldn't be asking, nor allowing our government to do that on our behalf.
Check out this link man. http://youtu.be/WQ3NsLr1al0 I just want you to understand what "liberty" really means.
UncleBuck
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disagreeing with it doesn't make it any less true.
show me where it says that.
pretty sure congress voted on this bill and congress gave the OK for those funds.
you sound like a petulant child.
lifegoesonbrah
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Picking and choosing who we give foreign aid promotes favoritism and further embeds us in the affairs of other nations. No foreign aid means no overseas obligations and less involvement in affairs that are none of our business. If individuals instead donate on their own at their free will we can avoid all of the negative side effects that come along with trying to do good in the world and people can choose which charities to donate to. What is wrong with that?
By funding charity through government we undermine the use of charities as everyone feels the government will solve these problems for them. If we rely on charities and cut taxes people will be more apt to help people on their own. Government never has and never will be the answer to solving humanities problems. Further perpetuating the responsibilities of government further disconnects us from the direct responsibility of helping others.
By funding charity through government we undermine the use of charities as everyone feels the government will solve these problems for them. If we rely on charities and cut taxes people will be more apt to help people on their own. Government never has and never will be the answer to solving humanities problems. Further perpetuating the responsibilities of government further disconnects us from the direct responsibility of helping others.
+ WitchDoctor +
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I didn't disagree with anything lol, I said that what you said didn't make sense. I still don't understand it...must be my child-sized brain.
..a petulant child? Coming from the person who just said "show me where it says that" about stimulus money that was OBVIOUSLY supposed to be used to help Americans. If it was supposed to be used for foreign aid or dickwashing then it would have been called the "foreign aid dickwashing package" instead of "stimulus".
And you're just using the fact that we have a sense of humor about things as an attack on our humanity because you're obviously a little slow on how "reality" actually works.
And your thoughts on the video I posted? Or were you too busy pretending that you believe in freedom? Here, let me post that link again in case you missed it...
http://youtu.be/WQ3NsLr1al0
UncleBuck
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show me where it says that. until then, you sound like a petulant little child.
i'm not watching your videos, use your words, brainiac.
Dr Kynes
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"The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, abbreviated ARRA (Pub.L. 111-5) and commonly referred to as the Stimulus or The Recovery Act, is an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress in February 2009 and signed into law on February 17, 2009, by President Barack Obama.
To respond to the late-2000s recession, the primary objective for ARRA was to save and create jobs almost immediately. Secondary objectives were to provide temporary relief programs for those most impacted by the recession and invest in infrastructure, education, health, and ‘green’ energy. The approximate cost of the economic stimulus package was estimated to be $787 billion at the time of passage, later revised to $831 billion between 2009 and 2019.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] The Act included direct spending in infrastructure, education, health, and energy, federal tax incentives, and expansion of unemployment benefits and other social welfare provisions. The Act also included many items not directly related to economic recovery such as long-term spending projects (e.g., a study of the effectiveness of medical treatments) and other items specifically included by Congress (e.g., a limitation on executive compensation in federally aided banks added by Senator Dodd and Rep. Frank).
The rationale for ARRA was from Keynesian macroeconomic theory which argues that, during recessions, the government should offset the decrease in private spending with an increase in public spending in order to save jobs and stop further economic deterioration..."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
Or was that too wordy for you. Thats what it was sold as, "reinvestment in our infrastructure", for "shovel ready projects" and all the other buzzwords that were popular at the time. it was 3 years ago, so you probably forgot all about it, being so clever and all. I was opposed to it, for a simple reason. It's more spending. when you are broke, its time to stop spending. and yes we were broke, are broke and will be broke until spending comes in under revenue.
UncleBuck
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i still don't see where projects that would reduce our long term spending on foreign aid were exclusively prohibited. oh, wait. that was covered and included under "long term spending projects".
way to shoot yourself in the foot!
and no, i didn't forget about that. i'm still reaping the benefits of the tax breaks i got every night when the lights go on.
and again, lol @ us being broke. i'm not broke, you're not broke, businesses sitting on trillions are certainly not broke.
but let's take this to a more micro level, instead of macro. when i got laid off a few years back, i went out and did some major spending on my credit card. that "spending" (investment) is still paying me back to this day.
we're seeing the failures of austerity overseas. we saw it here at home in 1937. austerity during a recession doesn't work, even your lover boy willard admits this.
any other fail? i've got time.
Dr Kynes
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again. community reinvestment act.... stimulus for OUR economy. how do these propositions benefit from washing balls in africa? no americans got a job because some nigerian 419 scammer's sac was freshly shampooed. They took that money and dumped it into their pet projects. african dick scrubbing initiatives were just the funny part. the part that makes people laugh, and remember the stupidity. the fact that it proves stereotype that leftists throw around taxpayers money like drunken sailors is simply gravy. Even more hilarious, you leftisats are the only ones who cant see the idiocy of borrowing money we cant afford for useless boondoggles like that. or building a rooftop garden ion a private building in chicago at taxpayer's expense, or maintaining an elaborate highway bridge in the desert in california that DOESNT CONNECT TO EVEN ONE YARD OF ROAD, and is solely used by illegal bungee and base jumpers. Yes Uncle buck, you think it's funny that taxpayers have to foot the bill for stupid shit like this. I think it sucks and so does most of the country.i still don't see where projects that would reduce our long term spending on foreign aid were exclusively prohibited. oh, wait. that was covered and included under "long term spending projects".
way to shoot yourself in the foot!
and no, i didn't forget about that. i'm still reaping the benefits of the tax breaks i got every night when the lights go on.
and again, lol @ us being broke. i'm not broke, you're not broke, businesses sitting on trillions are certainly not broke.
but let's take this to a more micro level, instead of macro. when i got laid off a few years back, i went out and did some major spending on my credit card. that "spending" (investment) is still paying me back to this day.
we're seeing the failures of austerity overseas. we saw it here at home in 1937. austerity during a recession doesn't work, even your lover boy willard admits this.
any other fail? i've got time.
UncleBuck
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you listed "long term spending projects" as part of the stimulus.
reducing foreign aid is a long term spending project. one way to reduce foreign aid is via education and prevention.
perhaps you've heard of the saying "a stitch in time saves nine".
i personally prefer prevention based approaches, not treatment based approaches.
i don't consider this rather common sense approach to be stupidity. your mileage may vary.
Dr Kynes
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yes, a stitch in time does save nine, but why are we sewing up socks in africa, when our own footwear is falling apart?
UncleBuck
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because as empathetic, humanitarian leaders of the world, we don't turn our backs on the AIDS epidemic and pretend it doesn't exist, like good old alzheimer's ronnie.
and we can greatly reduce our aid money by preventing the problem rather than responding to it.
it's kind of a simple win win that political hacks use to divide people. absolutely deplorable.
Dr Kynes
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Im not empathetic. i dont give two squirts of piss about the cleanliness of foreign nutsacks, and i seriously doubt washin your dick after banging suzie rottencrotch will prevent the clapp much less aids. Cutting off aid money would be one of the the best things we could do, and packing foreign aid riders into a stimulus bill to stop our economic freefall is pathetic, retarded and idiotic. Claiming that an unneeded expense will prevent the paying of a possible future unneeded expense is specious. I dont care if foreign peoples cant figure out how to use the free rubbers we have sent them for all these years, and if the message hasnt sunk in yet, maybe its time to let the chips fall where they may. Before you yell social darwinism, i'm talking just plain darwinism. after the first "fuck without a rubber and you will die" lecture i had a pretty good idea about how to not get aids. maybe it's time to stop trying to help idiots survive and just let the dopes deal with their own shit. You can be as generous as you want with your money. i need mine, maybe as bad as the assholes you want to help. Make a few Kiva Loans, give blood, send a box of rubbers to mozambique, i dont care, just stop telling me i have to do it too.
londonfog
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You do realize that you can catch HIV using a condom...so not understanding that lecture. I'm willing to bet you have never traveled outside of the United States
UncleBuck
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common trait in the ronbots. they all reek of a teenage boy who just done reading ayn rand.
i'm sorry you lack empathy, truly i am. it is one of the best parts of the human condition.
UncleBuck
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another ronbot trait.
you have no right to use force against me, but i reserve the right to use force against you!
Dr Kynes
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Yes londonfog. i have traveled to canada and mexico but no, i have never been nor have i any desire to go to africa. and yes, i know rubbers arent 100%, but their percentage is way better than prophylactic dick washing after screwing a person with aids or the herps or the clap or syphalis etc... as a matter of course i wear a jim-hat whenever i release the worm. this helps prevent the spread of disease. this has been common knowledge here in the US since the 40's. just because somebody in a far off land cant learn the lessons i got in secondary school, i dont feel the need to weep for them.
ahh Uncle buck. so now i'm a ronbot. brainwashed by the power of Ron Paul's magnetic personality.
I read Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead many years ago, along with Kant, Plato, Aristotle, Pliny the Elder, Confucius, Mencius, Voltaire, Neitsche and Marx just to name a few. I received a well rounded classical education, despite my humble rural upbringing. For all the venom spat out at Ayn Rand i expected something either groundbreaking or riddonkulously stupid. it was neither. Rand's philosophy is better than Kant's but less well defined than Nietsche's. Plato makes them all his bitches though, and Voltaire was the funny one.
I have never been terribly empathetic even when i was a young dumb liberal. idiots who streetrace, and crash are hilarious. dimwits who join amway and wonder why they arent making sportscar and yacht money are funny as hell. People who vote for a candidate who promises nebulous hope and change but deliver more of the same old shit are funny. when those same dingdongs insist i have to vote for their overlord in the next election they are just sad.
I have no desire to use force against you. you are insistent that the government use force on me to ensure your preferred projects get funded, despite the shellacking the economy has taken under dubya and The One. playing the victim card for no apparent reason is a common trait of the leftist who has nothing and wants to share it with the world. I have never in my life expected my neighbors to pay my bills, or accepted the idea that i should be forced to pay theirs. Charity is a personal choice, and even though my place sometimes looks like a hippie flop house with people sleeping in every possible corner, if any of them ever said they had a right to be there or demanded i give them anything i didnt offer freely, they would be out of my house on their ear. My being a good host is dependent on their being a good guest. It's only polite. But then my friends and associates are classy like that.
ahh Uncle buck. so now i'm a ronbot. brainwashed by the power of Ron Paul's magnetic personality.
I read Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead many years ago, along with Kant, Plato, Aristotle, Pliny the Elder, Confucius, Mencius, Voltaire, Neitsche and Marx just to name a few. I received a well rounded classical education, despite my humble rural upbringing. For all the venom spat out at Ayn Rand i expected something either groundbreaking or riddonkulously stupid. it was neither. Rand's philosophy is better than Kant's but less well defined than Nietsche's. Plato makes them all his bitches though, and Voltaire was the funny one.
I have never been terribly empathetic even when i was a young dumb liberal. idiots who streetrace, and crash are hilarious. dimwits who join amway and wonder why they arent making sportscar and yacht money are funny as hell. People who vote for a candidate who promises nebulous hope and change but deliver more of the same old shit are funny. when those same dingdongs insist i have to vote for their overlord in the next election they are just sad.
I have no desire to use force against you. you are insistent that the government use force on me to ensure your preferred projects get funded, despite the shellacking the economy has taken under dubya and The One. playing the victim card for no apparent reason is a common trait of the leftist who has nothing and wants to share it with the world. I have never in my life expected my neighbors to pay my bills, or accepted the idea that i should be forced to pay theirs. Charity is a personal choice, and even though my place sometimes looks like a hippie flop house with people sleeping in every possible corner, if any of them ever said they had a right to be there or demanded i give them anything i didnt offer freely, they would be out of my house on their ear. My being a good host is dependent on their being a good guest. It's only polite. But then my friends and associates are classy like that.