Dying alone..

[420IAMthatIAM]

Uncertainty in the presence of vivid hopes, dreams and fears can be extremely painful... but must be endured if we wish to live life without the support of comforting fairytales.

I wish you luck in escaping your delusion of certainty in the absence of it. This is something most will never be able to escape... Plato's "the allegory of the cave", you should read it. <---Still chained to the walls seeing nothing but the illusory shadows of subjective thought.

Ps. Using large and colorful font does not make your arguments any more valid, more so makes you look desperate.

you have got to be old and alone...if not you need... to grow up.

 

[eye exaggerate]

You appear to be saying this quite matter of factly. I'm sure you really meant to preface it by saying, "I believe....", right? If not, I have to ask, how do you know this is how things work if we really have no memories of our past lives?

...a bodhisattva is said to remember past lives. And, given evolution, I'd say that past lives are possible. It's kinda like a theme

I think of Ionic Bonding when I read your post. Look at William Blakes' Ancient of Days from 1794. God splits the atom and makes both male and female. God removes the electron (rib) from adam and creates something new. We know that energy does not die, it changes into another form of energy. I'm quite sure this is why a lot of Christians think the lhc experiments are like 'playing God'.

 

[Dislexicmidget2021]

So sure that what you hear is the truth, you forgot something plain,simple and refreshing,there is only here and now,that other people will tell you what they think and believe is the truth yet it dose not make it so.The minds subjectivity is an open field for creating delusion on an almost infinite level when unchecked by reason and understanding of the natural laws that govern each and every one of us.You believe dejavu is something seen from a past life and experienced once more in this one,like a buddhist would believe.Dejavu is an experience from previous moments in the same life,the one you are living ,the only one you get,there are no other lives.Moments that are forgotten then reoccur in the same subjective sequence as the first time you experienced it in your life,this is what constitutes dejavu and is still a subjective occurance.I hope you can realize that it is a Buddhist teaching in which it revolves around the punishment and reward ideology,just because it is said to be karma that directs you up or down in the conciousness realm dose not actualy make it so.But if it is what you believe and what you truely want to believe then do it. Im sure you can expect opposition with your stance,If you do, then realize it is pointless to attempt a preachdown upon people in the forums or anywhere else for that matter.Karma is simply another subjective route for directing ones behavior into the religious guidelines.Realize it or not,it dose not matter what you do with your life,there are no cosmic consequences to deal with,this is just another way to manipulate behavior of the person seeking "truth".

 

[eye exaggerate]

So sure that what you hear is the truth, you forgot something plain,simple and refreshing,there is only here and now,that other people will tell you what they think and believe is the truth yet it dose not make it so.The minds subjectivity is an open field for creating delusion on an almost infinite level when unchecked by reason and understanding of the natural laws that govern each and every one of us.You believe dejavu is something seen from a past life and experienced once more in this one,like a buddhist would believe.Dejavu is an experience from previous moments in the same life,the one you are living ,the only one you get,there are no other lives.Moments that are forgotten then reoccur in the same subjective sequence as the first time you experienced it in your life,this is what constitutes dejavu and is still a subjective occurance.I hope you can realize that it is a Buddhist teaching in which it revolves around the punishment and reward ideology,just because it is said to be karma that directs you up or down in the conciousness realm dose not actualy make it so.But if it is what you believe and what you truely want to believe then do it. Im sure you can expect opposition with your stance,If you do, then realize it is pointless to attempt a preachdown upon people in the forums or anywhere else for that matter.Karma is simply another subjective route for directing ones behavior into the religious guidelines.Realize it or not,it dose not matter what you do with your life,there are no cosmic consequences to deal with,this is just another way to manipulate behavior of the person seeking "truth".

...I don't know who this was directed at but there are some really good points in here. When I think of Blake having 'religious visions' that drove his art, I think of how long ago he worked. So a guy has religious visions, doesn't ascribe to a religion per se, but believes in a creator (and believes fiercely in the freedom of the artist / creator). Many years later science is 'doing the math on his vision'. I think it's pretty cool. There are many such examples of artists that knew then what we are getting to know now. It is likely that they weren't consciously mapping out quantum physics, but instead creating visuals that would inspire the current scientific trends. (My 2¢)

 

[420IAMthatIAM]

...I don't know who this was directed at but there are some really good points in "here. When I think of Blake having 'religious visions' that drove his art, I think of how long ago he worked. So a guy has religious visions, doesn't ascribe to a religion per se, but believes in a creator (and believes fiercely in the freedom of the artist / creator). Many years later science is 'doing the math on his vision'. I think it's pretty cool. There are many such examples of artists that knew then what we are getting to know now. It is likely that they weren't consciously mapping out quantum physics, but instead creating visuals that would inspire the current scientific trends. (My 2¢)

like the art or move on to the next piece" me i enjoy my life

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Weather we enjoy our lives in delusional thought, or embrace the truth of our existence, it matters not... just as long as we respect eathother and do no harm, i really dont see a problem with anything that anyone thinks is true or false.

But this doesn't mean im not going to call people out on ther stupidity lol.

 

[Doer]

...The minds subjectivity is an open field for creating delusion on an almost infinite level when unchecked by reason and understanding of the natural laws that govern each and every one of us.

This a logic bomb, isn't it? You are acting as if you have certain knowledge. (I cut out the parts where you are so SURE your belief is what's true)

My friend, you just can't have it both ways. The subjectivity you grant for us all, extends to yourself, as well. Reason is the least realiable indicator on this subject. It's quite easy for me to propose, as emphatically as you, the very opposite. There is no Objective Reality. So called, day to day reality is only what your senses can grasp, an Illusion, only. There is much proof of this in Science.

Sure, Reality can be manipulated within the model of Objectivity. But, at the edges, there is no Objectivity. That is the Heisenberg/Schroedinger Conjecture that rules Quantum Science, since 1921.

You cannot say anything about Subjective Reality, because you define Objective only as your rule base. Make sense?

 

[Dislexicmidget2021]

I hold only one certainty,that there is always uncertainty which coincides with the constant change happening on all levels of life, I wont try to convince anyone here of something that is readily observable and available to understanding.I would never go so far as to exclude myself from subjectivity,surely as I can perceive my own mind and am soundly aware of it,I to contain subjectivity,I am no different here.I simply posit that one should keep themselves in check with reality before believeing in something that someone else has told them.To check within the self for answers.I also stated that dejavu is its own subjective experience because it was experienced in the mind first and foremost,It was stated in another post that it was experiences from past lives which is touted in the Buddhist principles,I disagreed with the statement and sub-expounded that the experience comes from moments in this life that have been forgotten then remembered with a subconscious simulacrum of previously experienced events or moments,yes while it may have sounded as if I were touting certain knowledge,I was not,it is something that can be conceived logicaly.BTW I know It is a bit persnickety when i say this the term subjective reality is a paradox in base form, thought I would point that out.

 

[mindphuk]

...a bodhisattva is said to remember past lives. And, given evolution, I'd say that past lives are possible. It's kinda like a theme

My next-door neighbor could claim to remember a past life...so fucking what? Personal testimony is rarely good evidence. Even when and if it is completely true, if it is something that can't be verified independently then it is very weak at best. If you haven't figured that out by now with the number of threads where this is discussed, you will just have to be content to recognize your standards of evidence are much lower for woo than it is (or should be) for mundane things.

Given evolution has nothing to do with the continuation of some essence of our being after death, a prerequisite for reincarnation, all I can make from this argument is a non-sequitur. Putting your 'argument' in a syllogism would be, Evolution occurs, therefore past lives. Similarly we can say, given chemistry, I'd say that unicorns are possible, it's sort of a theme.

 

[Nice Ol Bud]

Do you guys ever think you're gonna die alone? No friends no family. It seems that I always turn into a dick with everybody I meet. I get into a mentality where I honestly start believing everybody is a dick so I need to be a dick too.. It always comes back to bite me in the ass though.

Change your trace of thought now.
I would never ever look at it that way.

Not everyone is going to understand you, not even me..
I dont know what you've been through, but all I know is that even thinking that way is not the way to go at all.
Im not ganna be like, "Its people like you that fucks this world up!".. Cause you have your reasons..
But im here to say choose a different route.
If they dont want to listen they dont want to listen.

Peace & Love.
NoB

 

[Doer]

I hold only one certainty,that there is always uncertainty which coincides with the constant change happening on all levels of life, I wont try to convince anyone here of something that is readily observable and available to understanding.I would never go so far as to exclude myself from subjectivity,surely as I can perceive my own mind and am soundly aware of it,I to contain subjectivity,I am no different here.I simply posit that one should keep themselves in check with reality before believeing in something that someone else has told them.To check within the self for answers.I also stated that dejavu is its own subjective experience because it was experienced in the mind first and foremost,It was stated in another post that it was experiences from past lives which is touted in the Buddhist principles,I disagreed with the statement and sub-expounded that the experience comes from moments in this life that have been forgotten then remembered with a subconscious simulacrum of previously experienced events or moments,yes while it may have sounded as if I were touting certain knowledge,I was not,it is something that can be conceived logicaly.BTW I know It is a bit persnickety when i say this the term subjective reality is a paradox in base form, thought I would point that out.

Interesting you define Subjective Reality as a paradox, yet to you, Objective Reality contains no paradox. However, you cannot describe Objective Experience in a way that would withstand the truth that your experience and description is totally Subjective, only.

It's the argument for Objective Reality that contains the paradox.

We only possess a Subjective sensation, touch, feel, etc, that combine to create reasonable and limited Subjective Reality for our survival. Therefore, none of our experience is Objective. A paradox, right?

 

[jokerindustries187]

I used tk be the same way until i realized that i wasnt getting anywhere...you know what they say...you can catch more flies with sugar

 

[BillyBonnie]

You talking suicide? I was thinking of commitibg suicide, not sure though. I mean I'm only 18 so I feel like I can change somebody's life for the better good.. But I'm not sure if livin g every single day is worth it. I'm not talking about dying alone the moment you die btw.. I guess I meant to say I'm afraid of living alone until the day I die.

Man stop. Stop right now. Talk to someone about your suicidal feelings. You have too much to live for. Think of all the dank weed you'll smoke if you live to be 75.

Just like you see a doctor when you have a physical ailment, see a professional (psychiatrist, psychologist, counceller) for your mental needs.

I have a son a little older than you. So I'm a lot older than you (49). I've been rocked by suicide in my family (my mother and sister-in-law). It hurts.

I've also thought about suicide. But suicide is a big lie. It solves nothing. I now take an antidepressent and it really helps.

Just do it. Reach out for some help, and you'll get it.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

hes gonna be just fine

 

[BillyBonnie]

hes gonna be just fine

What makes you think so? No disrespect intended...I'm just wondering...

Suicidal thoughts are serious...I should know.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Man stop. Stop right now. Talk to someone about your suicidal feelings. You have too much to live for. Think of all the dank weed you'll smoke if you live to be 75.

Just like you see a doctor when you have a physical ailment, see a professional (psychiatrist, psychologist, counceller) for your mental needs.

I have a son a little older than you. So I'm a lot older than you (49). I've been rocked by suicide in my family (my mother and sister-in-law). It hurts.

I've also thought about suicide. But suicide is a big lie. It solves nothing. I now take an antidepressent and it really helps.

Just do it. Reach out for some help, and you'll get it.

I've seeked professional help before. I've called a suicide hotline not to talk me out of it but just to talk to them you know? I don't have anybody I can talk to (just people that flash by in life), so I hit them up. I asked them a bunch of questions and their answers were so set up lol. Like pathetically set up. I told them that it would be better if they talked to people more like people and not like patients then I hung up. I shouldn't have hung up without telling them that I would be fine because they traced my call back to my apartment and sent two cops after me. I'm so fucking glad I didn't smoke weed in my house that day lol. Anyways, they took me to a psychiatric hospital and made me wear some stupid as robe for two months. It sucked seeing people get clothes sent to them by family while I had to wear the stupid flower pattern robe. I wasn't in a very happy mood so they prescribed me trazodone and celexa (I think that's what it's called), which is a anti-depressant. I don't take it though because I have a fear of pills. Ironically I love the trazodone since it helps me sleep at night. Point is, professional help sucks IMO.

But like strife said "hes gonna be just fine".

I've realized that life is too short to be mad or sad. It really is too short. I regret any moment I've thought of suicide or any day I just laid in bed not wanting to move. I regret it because that's time I could have spent helping others or just straight fucking chilling in my place hitting the bong and playing zelda. I've wasted some of my life, so now I hope I can talk somebody else out of depressing thoughts and making them stop that instant because I know they will wish for that moment back when they're on their death bed wishing they had spent their life better. But I'm young, I can still live a great life.

 

[Dislexicmidget2021]

Interesting you define Subjective Reality as a paradox, yet to you, Objective Reality contains no paradox. However, you cannot describe Objective Experience in a way that would withstand the truth that your experience and description is totally Subjective, only.

It's the argument for Objective Reality that contains the paradox.

We only possess a Subjective sensation, touch, feel, etc, that combine to create reasonable and limited Subjective Reality for our survival. Therefore, none of our experience is Objective. A paradox, right?

lol Doer, I was stating THE TERM subjective reality to be a paradox in base form not its principle definition.As i said i was being persnickety.You looked a bit to far into that one.

 

[Doer]

lol Doer, I was stating THE TERM subjective reality to be a paradox in base form not its principle definition.As i said i was being persnickety.You looked a bit to far into that one.

No, actually, I used the opportunity to point out that the term Subjective Reality is not a base form paradox, at all. I never said you were being anything. But, to say Subjective Reality is a term of base paradox is incorrect.
No way around it.

The oxymoron, the paradox is Objective Reality. It's Objective Reality that cannot be proven at the edges, no matter how hard, far or deep we look.

 

[Dislexicmidget2021]

No, actually, I used the opportunity to point out that the term Subjective Reality is not a base form paradox, at all. I never said you were being anything. But, to say Subjective Reality is a term of base paradox is incorrect.
No way around it.

The oxymoron, the paradox is Objective Reality. It's Objective Reality that cannot be proven at the edges, no matter how hard, far or deep we look.

the subjective point of view dosent trust itself as purely correct so that it may harbor potentialy intellegent models of reality without certainty of being correct or acting as if it were infallible,By definition Subjective reality dosent trust in its own correct form of unbias clarity as a viewpoint. After all, if we cannot disprove something, then our model should account for the possibility that it is true (without blindly assuming it&#8217;s true either). a form of prudent perceptive reality? ,,,,,is there no paradox to assume such a careful model of reality, when reality itself is still subject to so much uncertainty?is there corectness in this form of certain uncertainty,while not being bias is a milestone for approaching that possible truth,there cant be definitive affirmation of any truth even on this level,it still boils down to how you perceive reality dose it not?.

 

[Doer]

It really does. How we describe our reality to ourselves. Objectivity perception tools is how we operate the Subjective Reality. We don't the sense to be totally objective. And to me this idea of correctness is just part of the Subjective.