trayvan martin

[Red1966]

I hope they fry him personally. I just wish it would stop being a giant argument about race. I've heard Zimmerman referred to as white then hispanic then white again. Who cares? Is justice a color?

In this country, it often is.

 

[Red1966]

you have no evidence that martin "returned to confront zimmerman". why would he? he ran away. his path home was blocked off. in all likelihood it's the other way around. hence martin asking "why are you following me?" before zimm shoots him to death.

"in all likelihood" means it's just your opinion. If Zimmerman was FOLLOWING Martin, how was his path forward blocked? So your preposition isn't likely at all.

 

[Red1966]

I'm going to give the police the benefit of the doubt on this one and believe they actually have enough evidence to charge him. Again, there are facts established. Z shot M dead. Now they have to sort out the details as to if it was a criminal act or not. I'm of the opinion that it is. I'm not trying to prove it. I'm just enjoying the dialog and like throwing my .02 in. Plus, I like having dialog with people I don't agree with. I'm not so closed minded to the possibility that I could walk away with something out of it.

The police initially did not charge Zimmerman, they did so only after political pressure was applied.

 

[Red1966]

that small tie judge had the pull to get the lazy d.a.'s ass out of bed in the middle of the night on a sunday...and the d.a. trumps the police...so uhh yeah

Something not mentioned in any news broadcasts I've seen. Do you have a source?

 

[Corso312]

did you miss the whole police chief and D.A. stepping down?

 

[Red1966]

did you miss the whole police chief and D.A. stepping down?

No, I saw that. Didn't see anything mentioning it was because of a late-night phone call.

 

[UncleBuck]

The police initially did not charge Zimmerman, they did so only after political pressure was applied.

you have it dead wrong. they did want to charge him with manslaughter that night. it was only when wolfinger oddly left his house on a sunday night that they cut him loose.

 

[UncleBuck]

No, I saw that. Didn't see anything mentioning it was because of a late-night phone call.

do you know what a conflict of interest is?

 

[UncleBuck]

If Zimmerman was FOLLOWING Martin, how was his path forward blocked? So your preposition isn't likely at all.

zimmerman was directly between martin and his path home.

your scenario that martin returned to confront zimmerman, which you state as fact, not as preposition, is not only completely unfounded, but entirely inconsistent with the fact that martin ran away from zimmerman.

 

[NoDrama]

Plus, I like having dialog with people I don't agree with. I'm not so closed minded to the possibility that I could walk away with something out of it.

You get a fuckin cookie my man, glad to have you here.

 

[NoDrama]

that small tie judge had the pull to get the lazy d.a.'s ass out of bed in the middle of the night on a sunday...and the d.a. trumps the police...so uhh yeah

wait wait wait, how many DA's are in that county?

on another note, Angela Corey isn't good looking at all, no way can she win this case.

 

[NoDrama]

zimmerman was directly between martin and his path home.

your scenario that martin returned to confront zimmerman, which you state as fact, not as preposition, is not only completely unfounded, but entirely inconsistent with the fact that martin ran away from zimmerman.

Teleportation dun it. I think redivider might have been on to something.

Your entire argument relies on a map where paths are "ASSUMED"

 

[Canna Sylvan]

you have no evidence that martin "returned to confront zimmerman". why would he?

To get pussy that was on the other end of his cellphone.

 

[Red1966]

zimmerman was directly between martin and his path home. your scenario that martin returned to confront zimmerman, which you state as fact, not as preposition, is not only completely unfounded, but entirely inconsistent with the fact that martin ran away from zimmerman.

According to you Zimmerman was "chasing" Martin, now you say Zimmerman was in front of Martin? One or the other could be true, but not both.

 

[Red1966]

zimmerman is not white..we do not claim that douchebag..i speak for the whites on this and it is annoying that the media is calling this guy white.....and if zimms old man was not a retired judge..that bitch is arrested at the scene.

He was arrested, didn't you see the cuffs when they brought him in?

 

[NoDrama]

According to you Zimmerman was "chasing" Martin, now you say Zimmerman was in front of Martin? One or the other could be true, but not both.

I think what UB is trying to get at is this...

 

[NoDrama]

According to you Zimmerman was "chasing" Martin, now you say Zimmerman was in front of Martin? One or the other could be true, but not both.

You haven't looked into Redividers "Teleportation" theory have you?

 

[Red1966]

You haven't looked into Redividers "Teleportation" theory have you?

I think Redivider is one of UncleButt's other accounts

 

[ginjawarrior]

Neither is either one. That Martin tried to kill Z is the status quo unless it is proven otherwise. That Z thought Martin was trying to kill him is the only requirement. Under stand your ground there is more burden for Z, but as I understand it from reading legal analysis, it is easily met by evidence that he was on his back and could not have retreated and Martin was on top of him and he was bleeding. There is going to be a stand your ground hearing for exactly this.

There simply never was enough evidence for a murder 2 charge. It was a purely political charge and in effect, Zimmerman is a political prisoner.

i thought the status quo would be that zimmerman wouldnt even be charged if that was the case. you can hand wave that away as "political" all you want

but that aside this is a public forum and i always thought the "status quo" is if you make a claim/ statement then you back it up it up with evidence if people ask

the closest you got was something along the line "dont you know he actually said im gonna kill you" *paraphrased too far back to go quote*
the only place i found backing that up is zimmermans dad

 

[Illegal Smile]

i thought the status quo would be that zimmerman wouldnt even be charged if that was the case. you can hand wave that away as "political" all you want

but that aside this is a public forum and i always thought the "status quo" is if you make a claim/ statement then you back it up it up with evidence if people ask

the closest you got was something along the line "dont you know he actually said im gonna kill you" *paraphrased too far back to go quote*
the only place i found backing that up is zimmermans dad

It's the status quo because it is Zimmerman's testimony and there is no evidence to refute it. So if this went to trial, and it won't, the jury would operate under the assumption that Martin said it. This devolves from the prosecution's burden to prove it was NOT self defense. Part of that is the burden to DISPROVE Martin's testimony which is considered factual unless refuted. Like it or not, that be the law.

As for Z being charged, he shouldn't have been. The evidence isn't there to even come close to supporting murder two, not even manslaughter or anything else. It was self defense and that is not a crime. (yet)