Religion: why you believe what you believe, and how can you prove it.

BigJon

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...yep :) And, the 'best' part, we ALL do it. Seems to be the 'job' of man to rise above 'being above' other people.
And that's where the catholic guilt comes in!

When I say to myself that I think Christians need to do more guilt and less praise, at the same time I'm sitting here feeling guilty for even having the thought.
 

crazyhazey

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No offense homie but imo, you're Christian. Maybe even moreso than a lot of the self-righteous ones who scream it at the top of their lungs. Nobody needs a book to be nice, but our world has created humans who are so attached to their ego that they dont often realize how often they put themselves before others.
idk about that, i dont like to categorize myself, but id just say i know how it feels to be have problems and anyone with common morality should know that helping our species as herd is nothing but beneficial(depending on how you help someone of course). i think being christian constitutes one to believe in a higher being and deny many common facts, im simply not that type of person. i dont exactly put myself before others, but if im not too busy i will be glad to lend a hand.

Unless you understand and read old time greek, one may not fully understand the book of John

Unless you understand and read ancient hebrew, one may not fully understand the old testament/torah.

etc etc...

Religion is just a big game of telelphone. But I like to read. and I like to ponder on the spiritual so I read as much as I can get my hands on so I can put it together for myself. Some people dont need to but I personally need emotions to be put into words and ideas that I feel but never verbalized often come to light through the reading of old texts.
all you really have to know is the religion all of it came from really, hinduism is the base religion and many follow. once youve read whatever propaganda hinduism is, youll probably realize your religion is a knock off, its like drinking pepsi, then drinking coke. you notice their similarities, but theres just a different tag on the front. any knowledge is good though, always read and continue to use your brain as your "god" wanted you to, dont waste it asking for forgiveness and thanking someone for supposedly dying on a cross for your "predetermined sins". people have died worse deaths i believe, for many good causes, but i dont go to an establishment to praise him/her on sundays, or write a book about said person and how they were so inherently good they could only be related to god. i hope you have as much fun putting together the puzzle that is "the right religion", doubt there is or ever will be one(besides pastafarianism of course!).
 

crazyhazey

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Its not diversity in religion that's bad, it's people focusing on the differences and labeling those differences as bad because they dont understand it.

But with understanding comes enlightenment. This is why I like to know my friend's past, histories, back grounds, family life, etc. So that when they say really ignorant shit, I can look past it and chuckle at it.
some religions seem to emphasize shunning a non believer though, this i know to be true. i know people can interpret things differently, but i think it takes a lot to push someone to homicide, and maybe even suicide to kill any non believers, a prime example of how religion diversity could cause problems, and how religion is basically mind control.
 

crazyhazey

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I highly doubt people pick a religion based on how they can be different...
not what i said, although i guarantee some people who love attention have done so for this reason. all religions originated from another, saying your one of them is just another way to make yourself diverse, im not saying this is their goal but i feel like whoever created these knockoff religions probably wanted to be different from the one they copied, and loosely base all the stories from the original book, and maybe change some names or places here and there. but still, they're basically all the same, its like one person wearing multiple masks.
 

Growman3001

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not what i said, although i guarantee some people who love attention have done so for this reason. all religions originated from another, saying your one of them is just another way to make yourself diverse, im not saying this is their goal but i feel like whoever created these knockoff religions probably wanted to be different from the one they copied, and loosely base all the stories from the original book, and maybe change some names or places here and there. but still, they're basically all the same, its like one person wearing multiple masks.
Well of course you have your minority...

Tom Cruize
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Most people choose a religion because they actually believe what is being feed to them...

"knockoff religions" are created by members of an earlier religion that no longer believed everything the original religion told them. So they edit the religion to better suit their beliefs and then call it their own...

If that is what you mean, then I agree with you...
 

Heisenberg

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The lack of mind control is actually the problem in virtually all cases. Lack of mental discipline. The heart of all these issues is the willingness to surrender the mind to ideas with no support. Accepting answers to questions which have none, and pretending they must be right. In most cases, the problem can be distilled down to the inability or unwillingness to think. It's that simple. Not to say a thinking man must be atheist, but if a person is truly conscientious there is rarely a problem no matter their beliefs.
 

eye exaggerate

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And that's where the catholic guilt comes in!

When I say to myself that I think Christians need to do more guilt and less praise, at the same time I'm sitting here feeling guilty for even having the thought.
...good for you! Well done!

:lol:
 

Growman3001

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just another way to call yourself different really, doesnt mean shit. you can just say you believe in a handfull of life lessons, but some people want to categorize themselves and create some sort of diversity, which will 99% of the time lead to conflict when speaking about beliefs.
this is a quote....
 

BigJon

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some religions seem to emphasize shunning a non believer though, this i know to be true. i know people can interpret things differently, but i think it takes a lot to push someone to homicide, and maybe even suicide to kill any non believers, a prime example of how religion diversity could cause problems, and how religion is basically mind control.
Which is why I think people need to have their own thoughts.

But thinking outside the box doesn't mean you can't revere and honor the box.
 

Geronimo420

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Religion is just the original form of government...
What religions and governments do best is cause war...

I wanted to be apart of a group so I joined rollitup.org...
I think it may actually be the first form of law instead. It was invented by the first government ( a Barbarian chief most likely ) as a way to kept control over a group of non-educated barbarian.
 

BigJon

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well you dont need religion to tell you to be nice to other
Of course not. I've seen dogs save kittens from a swimming pool before.

You do not need religion to tell you to be nice, but reading knowledge from 100 generations ago and from several continents helps me feel connected to our ancestors helps me live a frame of mind where I view myself as one with the you, God, and the Universe.
 

MixedMelodyMindBender

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The lack of mind control is actually the problem in virtually all cases. Lack of mental discipline. The heart of all these issues is the willingness to surrender the mind to ideas with no support. Accepting answers to questions which have none, and pretending they must be right. In most cases, the problem can be distilled down to the inability or unwillingness to think. It's that simple. Not to say a thinking man must be atheist, but if a person is truly conscientious there is rarely a problem no matter their beliefs.
" All humans are born with a brain, but its another to find a man that can use them, and use them well"--George Orwell's 1984
"Nothing is greater to a Government than a citizenry of sheep"--Adolf Hitler


Truer words are rarely spoken Heins. Makes me think of the infamous proverb of " Lifes a tragedy to those whom feel, and a utter comedy to those whom think".
 

MixedMelodyMindBender

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some religions seem to emphasize shunning a non believer though, this i know to be true. i know people can interpret things differently, but i think it takes a lot to push someone to homicide, and maybe even suicide to kill any non believers, a prime example of how religion diversity could cause problems, and how religion is basically mind control.
Oddly enough while at the dentist last week I was reading an article about the Amish in a magazine. Unbeknownst to myself but the Amish have the largest rate of suicide outside of Islam. Which kinda makes sense to me, as I have seen just how horrific they can be to a non-believer or someone who is "exiled". shunning, especially in the Amish community, can be the blame to such a high suicide rate. If I remember correctly the average age was like 18 or right around the time of Amish "courting" or dating period where they have the option of leaving the cult.
 

BigJon

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A work mate as a bumper sticker that read : SO MANY CHRISTIANs, SO FEW LIONS
I like that. People revere Heysoos so much, that nobody even wants to attempt to live their life like he did. Although, he told us that WE can do anything HE could!
 

Geronimo420

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" All humans are born with a brain, but its another to find a man that can use them, and use them well"--George Orwell's 1984
"Nothing is greater to a Government than a citizenry of sheep"--Adolf Hitler


Truer words are rarely spoken Heins. Makes me think of the infamous proverb of " Lifes a tragedy to those whom feel, and a utter comedy to those whom think".
Hitler's best Quote : The great masses of the people…will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. is regime was base on it.
 

MixedMelodyMindBender

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The paradox is that 21st Century America is perfectly alike Nazi Germany of yesterday. For whatever the reason may be, we forget history, the fastest.

If you take a good hard look at America today, your a fool to think we have not relic the liking of Hitler's "fatherland" ( sound familiar....."homeland"). Whatever the interest of our "homeland" shall it be, law. No where in that, will any human, find freedom. ANd if you think you have, your hallucinating. Its a illusion.

The only thing I think America and its citizenry has on its side, is a very notable history, of being Non-Conformist. Our Government has sadly not learned that the people WILL NEVER bend to the Government. And we will take arms against anything that stands in the way of our self proclaimed Imperial Destiny. Even if its our own Government. Which I think we need more now than ever before.

From time to time, the spirit ( or Zeitgeist) of Liberty will need to be refreshed from time to time with blood and treasure , and even against it's own government--Thomas Jefferson
 

Geronimo420

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The paradox is that 21st Century America is perfectly alike Nazi Germany of yesterday. For whatever the reason may be, we forget history, the fastest.

If you take a good hard look at America today, your a fool to think we have not relic the liking of Hitler's "fatherland" ( sound familiar....."homeland"). Whatever the interest of our "homeland" shall it be, law. No where in that, will any human, find freedom. ANd if you think you have, your hallucinating. Its a illusion.

The only thing I think America and its citizenry has on its side, is a very notable history, of being Non-Conformist. Our Government has sadly not learned that the people WILL NEVER bend to the Government. And we will take arms against anything that stands in the way of our self proclaimed Imperial Destiny. Even if its our own Government. Which I think we need more now than ever before.

From time to time, the spirit ( or Zeitgeist) of Liberty will need to be refreshed from time to time with blood and treasure , and even against it's own government--Thomas Jefferson
This probably the only thing that kept America from really becoming Nazi under G.W.BUSH
 
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