Religion: why you believe what you believe, and how can you prove it.

Kronika said:

Not to any significant degree I'm afraid. I do know that pantheism and panentheism run parallel to one another up to a point, with the major difference being that panentheists recognize God as also being separate from the universe and not just of it. It loses me there.

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Don't get your pantheists in a bunch. cn

Kronika said:

Not to any significant degree I'm afraid. I do know that pantheism and panentheism run parallel to one another up to a point, with the major difference being that panentheists recognize God as also being separate from the universe and not just of it. It loses me there.

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...thanks for the reply. It's interesting that mainstream christians are taught to 'be in the world but not of it'.

Kronika said:

Not to any significant degree I'm afraid. I do know that pantheism and panentheism run parallel to one another up to a point, with the major difference being that panentheists recognize God as also being separate from the universe and not just of it. It loses me there.

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If you think of that line as defining atheism from deism, you'll be less confused. The confusion comes from the pretense of pantheism to be more than it is.

im trying to remember when i had faith or believed in god but i cant i never have . ive had times when i wanted to belive i wanted to go and tell a priest of the bad things ive done and clear my mind, but i got over them any way with out the help of god, i learned about the ego and how it manifests itself in religion, i dont care to much for that either i think the human race couldnt survive without a reason to explain why some things happens, its like they need it to cope. at this point in my life i dont believe in religion i dont believe there is an answer to why we are here. i used to go to church every sunday when i was younger but i was constantly numb then anyway in my own little world. i was raised buy my irish/scotish grandparents who were strictly religius and i learnd that if i do wrong i will feel bad not because of god but because of the feeling of guilt that was instiled in me but now i know that guilt is just a feeling and it goes away, its not god its part of being human.
do people only want to be part of a group or religion to socialise ? i dont no, i do no that people will kill each other over religion thats been proven, catholic prodestant for example but even then they had other motives the religion was just a way of grouping together right?
i know that if i do help some one if they need it, it makes me feel good but that again is just a feeling, if a situation arose were i had a chance to help some one and i never, i would not feel that god would punish me for it.
i just had a though, why are we the only species on earth that has evolved this way. could this be a way of evoling and our brains have not adapted to it yet so there is a gap wich we havnt figured out yet ?
how can you say it is better to abort a child than foster it i know i would not be alive today if that was true

crazyhazey said:

title says it all, im just curious how people can look into ancient text and find their purpose in life? especially since most of these books go by life thousands of years ago. most of you also cherry pick the books you live by also, but why only live by some words and not the others? if these people made this book and you completely take their word without any of their proof, doesnt it defeat the purpose when you reject on fallacy but accept another? how do you go about judging what is morally right in the books you live by, when you base your morals on said book?

also, has anyone ever taken into account, when someone believe they spoke to "god" or some other "higher being", do you ever wonder if this person may have been schizophrenic? possibly even on drugs, or maybe just dreaming? how do you live by the words of something that has no proof, and ignore something that shows evidence of proof like science?


oh and one last thing, for the last question dont answer by saying "faith", elaborate a little bit.

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I base mine on experince...and i do cherry pick..from tree to tree,[religion to religion].

The thing is we don't have to take anyone's word or teaching. We don't need signs and wonders to force us to believe. We don't have to believe anything.


That's the freedom or salvation or enlightenment, whatever they call it.