5-31-2012 MSC MMM Act Ruling for your reading pleasure.

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Considering the Scope and Depth of this one ruling, which combined, People Vs Kolanek, and People Vs King, Opposed to a bunch of threads with bits and pieces, I though I would try a different approach.

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FILED MAY 31, 2012 S T A T E O F M I C H I G A N
SUPREME COURT
PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN,
Plaintiff-Appellee,
v No. 142695
ALEXANDER EDWARD KOLANEK,
Defendant-Appellant.
PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN,
Plaintiff-Appellant,
v No. 142712
ALEXANDER EDWARD KOLANEK,
Defendant-Appellee.
PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN,
Plaintiff-Appellee,
v No. 142850
Michigan Supreme Court
Lansing, Michigan
Opinion
Chief Justice:
Robert P. Young, Jr.
Justices:
Michael F. Cavanagh
Marilyn Kelly
Stephen J. Markman
Diane M. Hathaway
Mary Beth Kelly
Brian K. Zahra 2
LARRY STEVEN KING,
Defendant-Appellant.
BEFORE THE ENTIRE BENCH
MARY BETH KELLY, J.
We granted leave in these cases to consider substantive and procedural aspects of
the affirmative defense of medical use of marijuana under § 8, MCL 333.26428, of the
Michigan Medical Marihuana Act (MMMA).
1
Given the plain language of the statute,
we hold that a defendant asserting the § 8 affirmative defense is not required to establish
the requirements of § 4, MCL 333.26424, which pertains to broader immunity granted by
the act. The Court of Appeals erred by reaching the opposite conclusion in People v
King,
2
and we therefore reverse the Court of Appeals’ judgment in King.
Further, to establish the affirmative defense under § 8, we hold that a defendant
must show under § 8(a)(1) that the physician’s statement was made after enactment of the
MMMA but before commission of the offense. The Court of Appeals reached this
conclusion in People v Kolanek,
3
and we affirm the Court of Appeals in this regard.
However, the Court of Appeals also held that defendant could reassert the affirmative
defense at trial, despite his failure at the evidentiary hearing to establish the existence of a

1
MCL 333.26421 et seq. Although the act uses the spelling “marihuana,” we use the
more common spelling “marijuana” throughout this opinion.
2
People v King, 291 Mich App 503; 804 NW2d 911 (2011).
3
People v Kolanek, 291 Mich App 227; 804 NW2d 870 (2011). 3
timely physician’s statement under § 8(a)(1). This was error, and we reverse that portion
of the Court of Appeals’ holding.
I. FACTUAL BACKGROUND
A. PEOPLE v KING
In May 2009, police officers received an anonymous tip that marijuana was
growing in the backyard of defendant Larry King’s home in Owosso, Michigan. The
officers went to the residence and observed, from a neighbor’s driveway, marijuana
plants growing inside a chain-link dog kennel that was wrapped on three sides with a
plastic tarp. The officers then spoke with King, who showed them his “registry
identification card” for medical use of marijuana that had been issued April 20, 2009.
The officers asked to see the marijuana plants, and King consented. Using a key, he
unlocked the padlock on the kennel. Inside the kennel were six marijuana plants. The
kennel was six feet tall, was not anchored to the ground, and was open on top.
The officers then obtained a search warrant for King’s home. Inside, the officers
discovered six marijuana plants in his living-room closet, which did not have a lock on it.
The back door to the home also lacked a lock. In addition to the live plants, the officers
also found processed marijuana in two prescription bottles; several plastic bags
containing marijuana stalks, buds, and leaves; two additional dead marijuana plants; and
a food dehydrator. 4
King was arrested and charged with one count of manufacturing marijuana.
4
At
the preliminary examination in the district court, he moved to dismiss the charge under
§ 8 of the MMMA.
5
The court denied King’s motion and bound him over on the charge.
6

King renewed his motion to dismiss in the circuit court, again asserting that he had
established the elements of the affirmative defense under § 8. The prosecutor responded
that because King had failed to comply with § 4(a) by not keeping his marijuana in an
“enclosed, locked facility,” King could not establish the elements of the affirmative
defense under § 8. The circuit court disagreed with the prosecutor that King was not in
compliance with § 4(a), ruling instead that King had satisfied the requirements of § 4
because he was a qualifying patient with a valid registry identification card; possessed no
more than 12 plants in an enclosed, locked facility; and was entitled to the presumption
that he was engaged in the medical use of marijuana. The circuit court further reasoned
that King, in accordance with § 8, had obtained a valid physician’s statement, possessed a
reasonably necessary amount of marijuana consistently with § 4, and was engaged in the
use and possession of marijuana to treat a serious medical condition. The circuit court

4
MCL 333.7401(2)(d)(iii).
5
Although King had a valid registry card, he never asserted that he was entitled to
immunity under § 4 of the MMMA.
6
The district court did not hold an evidentiary hearing on King’s motion to dismiss.
Rather, the court denied the motion on the basis that the evidence supported binding King
over on the charge. 5
therefore ruled that King’s use of marijuana was “in accordance with [the MMMA]”
7
and
that King was entitled to dismissal of the charge under § 8.
8
The Court of Appeals reversed. The Court of Appeals held that the “express
reference” in § 8 “to § 7 [MCL 333.26427] and the statement in § 7(a) that medical use of
marijuana must be carried out in accordance with the provisions of the MMMA require
[King] to comply with the provisions of § 4 concerning growing marijuana.”
9
Applying
its interpretation of the statute, the Court of Appeals concluded that because King had
failed to keep the plants in an “‘enclosed, locked facility,’” he had not complied with
§ 4(a). As a consequence, the Court held that he also failed to meet the requirements for
the affirmative defense in § 8.
10
The Court of Appeals reversed the circuit court and
remanded for further proceedings.
We granted leave to consider, in relevant part, “whether the language ‘[e]xcept as
provided in section 7’ in § 8(a) required the defendant to fulfill all of the conditions set
forth in § 4 in order to have a valid affirmative defense under § 8(a).”
11

7
See MCL 333.26427(a).
8
The circuit court reached this conclusion without holding an evidentiary hearing on
King’s motion to dismiss under § 8.
9
King, 291 Mich App at 510.
10
Id. at 514, quoting MCL 333.26424(a).
11
People v King, 489 Mich 957 (2011). Our grant order in King contained several other
issues. However, because resolution of those questions is not necessary to the disposition
of King’s appeal, we have limited our consideration to the issue stated above. 6
B. PEOPLE v KOLANEK
On April 6, 2009, police arrested defendant Alexander Kolanek for the possession
of eight marijuana cigarettes. Kolanek did not have a registry identification card at the
time of his arrest. The next day, the prosecution charged Kolanek with possession of
marijuana.
12
Six days later, on April 12, 2009, Kolanek requested that his physician of nine
years, Dr. Ray Breitenbach, authorize his medical use of marijuana to treat chronic severe
pain and nausea caused by Lyme disease. Breitenbach complied with this request on the
basis of his professional opinion that Kolanek would receive a therapeutic benefit from
using marijuana. The same day, Kolanek applied for a registry identification card. The
Michigan Department of Community Health issued him a card two weeks later on May 1,
2009.
On June 9, 2009, Kolanek moved to dismiss the criminal charge pending against
him, asserting the affirmative defense in § 8 of the MMMA. The district court held an
evidentiary hearing on the motion, at which Breitenbach testified that Kolanek would
have been eligible for the medical use of marijuana on the date of his arrest. However,
despite having discussed Kolanek’s potential medical use of marijuana on July 14, 2008,
before the enactment of the MMMA, Breitenbach testified that he did not provide
Kolanek with authorization to use marijuana until April 12, 2009, six days after the date
of Kolanek’s arrest.
13


12
MCL 333.7403(2)(d).
13
Kolanek testified that he mentioned the upcoming vote on the medical use of marijuana
during an appointment with Breitenbach on July 14, 2008. According to Kolanek’s 7
The district court rejected the prosecutor’s argument that Kolanek must have had a
valid registry identification card to assert a § 8 defense, but nonetheless denied Kolanek’s
motion to dismiss. The court reasoned that the language “has stated” in § 8(a)(1)
contemplates a physician’s statement made before commission of the offense. Because
Kolanek had not obtained such a statement, the court concluded that Kolanek had failed
to meet his burden under § 8.
Kolanek appealed in the circuit court, which reversed the district court’s ruling. In
the circuit court’s view, the district court’s interpretation of § 8(a)(1) was erroneous.
Section 8(a)(1), according to the circuit court, “does not require the physician have stated
[sic] this before the defendant’s arrest. It merely requires that the physician has stated it.
In this case, the physician stated it at the hearing.”
The Court of Appeals reversed the circuit court. Like the district court, the panel
rejected the prosecution’s argument that Kolanek had to meet the registry-card
requirement of § 4 in order to assert a valid defense under § 8.
14
The Court of Appeals
also concluded that Kolanek had not produced sufficient evidence of the § 8 affirmative
defense.
15
The Court of Appeals reasoned, like the district court, that the phrase “has
stated” in § 8(a)(1) contemplates a physician’s statement made after enactment of the
MMMA but before the offense occurs.
16
It reversed the circuit court’s decision and

testimony, Breitenbach responded that if it was legalized, he would support Kolanek in
using it.
14
Kolanek, 291 Mich App at 233.
15
Id. at 241.
16
Id. at 235, 240-241. 8
remanded for reinstatement of the charge.
17
In doing so, the Court provided directions on
remand:
Because the statute does not provide that the failure to bring, or to
win, a pretrial motion to dismiss deprives the defendant of the statutory
defense before the factfinder, [Kolanek’s] failure to provide sufficient
proofs pursuant to his motion to dismiss does not bar him from asserting
the § 8 defense at trial or from submitting additional proofs in support of
the defense at that time.
[18]
We granted Kolanek’s application for leave to appeal to consider “whether, in
order to have a valid affirmative defense for the medical use of marijuana under MCL
333.26428(a)(1), a defendant must obtain the required physician’s statement after the
date of enactment of the [MMMA], but before the date of the defendant’s arrest.”
19
We
also granted the prosecution’s application for leave to appeal to consider “whether a
defendant may assert the affirmative defense under MCL 333.26428(a) as a defense at
trial after a court has denied the defendant’s motion to dismiss under MCL 333.26428(b)”
and also the issue raised in King regarding whether a defendant must satisfy § 4 to have a
valid § 8 defense.
20

17
Id. at 241.
18
Id. at 241-242.
19
People v Kolanek, 489 Mich 956 (2011) (Docket No. 142695).
20
People v Kolanek, 489 Mich 956, 956-957 (2011) (Docket No. 142712). Our grant
order also requested the parties to brief “whether a defendant is eligible to assert the
affirmative defense of medical use of marijuana under MCL 333.26428(a) without first
obtaining a valid “registry identification card[.]” Id. at 956. However, because all the
parties concede that unregistered patients and persons can assert the affirmative defense
under § 8, we do not separately address this issue at length. 9
II. STANDARD OF REVIEW
These cases present issues of statutory interpretation. We review questions of
statutory interpretation de novo.
21
III. ANALYSIS
A. THE MICHIGAN MEDICAL MARIHUANA ACT
The MMMA was proposed in a citizen’s initiative petition, was elector-approved
in November 2008, and became effective December 4, 2008.
22
The purpose of the
MMMA is to allow a limited class of individuals the medical use of marijuana, and the
act declares this purpose to be an “effort for the health and welfare of [Michigan]

21
People v Feezel, 486 Mich 184, 205; 783 NW2d 67 (2010).
22
Const 1963, art 2, § 9 reserves to the people of Michigan the power to enact laws by
initiative. The ballot proposal at the November 2008 election, Proposal 08-1, explained
to voters that the MMMA would:
• Permit physician approved use of marijuana by registered patients with
debilitating medical conditions including cancer, glaucoma, HIV, AIDS,
hepatitis C, MS and other conditions as may be approved by the
Department of Community Health.
• Permit registered individuals to grow limited amounts of marijuana for
qualifying patients in an enclosed, locked facility.
• Require Department of Community Health to establish an identification
card system for patients qualified to use marijuana and individuals qualified
to grow marijuana.
• Permit registered and unregistered patients and primary caregivers to
assert medical reasons for using marijuana as a defense to any prosecution
involving marijuana. 10
citizens.”
23
To meet this end, the MMMA defines the parameters of legal medicalmarijuana use, promulgates a scheme for regulating registered patient use and
administering the act, and provides for an affirmative defense, as well as penalties for
violating the MMMA.
The MMMA does not create a general right for individuals to use and possess
marijuana in Michigan. Possession, manufacture, and delivery of marijuana remain
punishable offenses under Michigan law.
24
Rather, the MMMA’s protections are limited
to individuals suffering from serious or debilitating medical conditions or symptoms, to
the extent that the individuals’ marijuana use “is carried out in accordance with the
provisions of [the MMMA].”
25

The cases before us involve two sections of the MMMA that provide separate
protections from prosecution for offenses involving marijuana. The first, § 4, MCL
333.26424, grants “qualifying patient”
26
who hold “registry identification card”
27

23
MCL 333.26422(c).
24
See MCL 333.7403(2)(d) (making possession of marijuana a misdemeanor); MCL
333.7401(2)(d) (making the manufacture or delivery of marijuana or the possession of
marijuana with intent to deliver it a felony). Marijuana remains a schedule 1 substance in
Michigan’s Public Health Code, MCL 333.7212(1)(c), and medical use of marijuana is
not recognized as a legal activity at the federal level. The MMMA acknowledges that
federal law continues to prohibit marijuana use, but justifies allowing limited marijuana
use on the grounds that research suggests that marijuana has beneficial medical uses, the
majority of marijuana prosecutions are made under state law, and states are not required
to enforce federal laws. MCL 333.26422.
25
MCL 333.26427(a).
26
The MMMA defines “qualifying patient” as “a person who has been diagnosed by a
physician as having a debilitating medical condition.” MCL 333.26423(h). “Debilitating
medical condition” means one or more of the following: 11
broad immunity from criminal prosecution, civil penalties, and disciplinary actions, and
provides in part:
A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry
identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in
any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to
civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or
professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana
[28]
in accordance with this act, provided that the qualifying patient possesses
an amount of marihuana that does not exceed 2.5 ounces of usable
marihuana, and, if the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary
caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the
qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility.

(1) Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency
virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, hepatitis C, amyotrophic
lateral sclerosis, Crohn’s disease, agitation of Alzheimer’s disease, nail
patella, or the treatment of these conditions.
(2) A chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its
treatment that produces 1 or more of the following: cachexia or wasting
syndrome; severe and chronic pain; severe nausea; seizures, including but
not limited to those characteristic of epilepsy; or severe and persistent
muscle spasms, including but not limited to those characteristic of multiple
sclerosis.
(3) Any other medical condition or its treatment approved by the
[Department of Community Health], as provided for in [MCL
333.26425(a)]. [MCL 333.26423(a).]
27
“Registry identification card” is defined as “a document issued by the [Department of
Community Health] that identifies a person as a registered qualifying patient or registered
primary caregiver.” MCL 333.26423(i).
28
The MMMA defines “medical use” to mean “the acquisition, possession, cultivation,
manufacture, use, internal possession, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana
or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marihuana to treat or alleviate a
registered qualifying patient’s debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated
with the debilitating medical condition.” MCL 333.26423(e). 12
Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots shall also be
allowed under state law and shall not be included in this amount.
[29]
The second provision, § 8, MCL 333.26428, applies to “patients” generally, provides an
affirmative defense to charges involving marijuana for its medical use, and states in
relevant part:
(a) Except as provided in [MCL 333.26427], a patient and a patient’s
primary caregiver, if any, may assert the medical purpose for using
marihuana as a defense to any prosecution involving marihuana, and this
defense shall be presumed valid where the evidence shows that:
(1) A physician has stated that, in the physician’s professional
opinion, after having completed a full assessment of the patient’s medical
history and current medical condition made in the course of a bona fide
physician-patient relationship,
[30]
the patient is likely to receive therapeutic
or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate
the patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the
patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition;
(2) The patient and the patient’s primary caregiver, if any, were
collectively in possession of a quantity of marihuana that was not more than
was reasonably necessary to ensure the uninterrupted availability of
marihuana for the purpose of treating or alleviating the patient’s serious or
debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the patient’s serious or
debilitating medical condition; and

29
MCL 333.26424(a).
30
Although the MMMA does not define “bona fide physician-patient relationship,” a
joint statement by the Michigan Board of Medicine and the Michigan Board of
Osteopathic Medicine and Surgery advises that this term envisions “a pre-existing and
ongoing relationship with the patient as a treating physician.” Statement of the Board of
Medicine and Board of Osteopathic Medicine and Surgery Regarding Certification for
Medical Use of Marihuana by Michigan Physicians
< h t t p s : / / w w w . m i c h i g a n . g o v / d o c u m e n t s/ l a r a / l a r a _ M e d i c a l _ M a r i h u a n a _ F i n a l
_Written_Certification_Statement_8-15-11_376283_7.pdf> (accessed May 25, 2012). 13
(3) The patient and the patient&#8217;s primary caregiver, if any, were
engaged in the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use,
delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating
to the use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient&#8217;s serious or
debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the patient&#8217;s serious or
debilitating medical condition.
(b) A person may assert the medical purpose for using marihuana in
a motion to dismiss, and the charges shall be dismissed following an
evidentiary hearing where the person shows the elements listed in
subsection (a).
(c) If a patient or a patient&#8217;s primary caregiver demonstrates the
patient&#8217;s medical purpose for using marihuana pursuant to this section, the
patient and the patient&#8217;s primary caregiver shall not be subject to the
following for the patient&#8217;s medical use of marihuana:
(1) disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional
licensing board or bureau; or
(2) forfeiture of any interest in or right to property.
Our consideration of the availability of the affirmative defense in § 8 and the
immunity conferred under § 4 is guided by the traditional principles of statutory
construction. However, because the MMMA was the result of a voter initiative, our goal
is to ascertain and give effect to the intent of the electorate, rather than the Legislature, as
reflected in the language of the law itself.
31
We must give the words of the MMMA their
ordinary and plain meaning as would have been understood by the electorate.
32


31
Cf. Feezel, 486 Mich at 205; Schmidt v Dep&#8217;t of Ed, 441 Mich 236, 241-242; 490
NW2d 584 (1992). Laws enacted by the people, rather than the Legislature, have the
same force and effect and are on equal footing. Advisory Opinion on Constitutionality of
1982 PA 47, 418 Mich 49, 66; 340 NW2d 817 (1983).
32
See People v Barbee, 470 Mich 283, 286; 681 NW2d 348 (2004). 14
Clearly, § 4 applies only to &#8220;qualifying patients&#8221; who have obtained registry cards.
Under this section, those patients are provided broad immunity from &#8220;arrest, prosecution,
or penalty in any manner&#8221; and protection from the denial of &#8220;any right or privilege,
including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or
occupational or professional licensing board or bureau,&#8221; provided that these patients
possess not more than 2.5 ounces of usable marijuana and 12 marijuana plants kept in &#8220;an
enclosed, locked facility.&#8221;
33
Additional protections in § 4 prohibit the denial of custody
or visitation with a minor based on the medical use of marijuana in accordance with the
MMMA
34
and provide a presumption that registered cardholders possessing an
appropriate amount of marijuana are engaged in the medical use of marijuana.
35

Comparatively, § 8 provides an affirmative defense to &#8220;patients&#8221; or &#8220;a person&#8221;
generally.
36
As the prosecution in both cases concedes, the language of § 8 permits those
individuals who are not registered cardholding patients to assert the § 8 affirmative
defense.
37
Under § 8, a patient in any criminal prosecution involving marijuana may

33
MCL 333.26424(a).
34
MCL 333.26424(c).
35
MCL 333.26424(d).
36
All the parties concede that § 8 is, in fact, an affirmative defense, and we agree with
this characterization. As we have explained, an affirmative defense &#8220;&#8216;admits the doing of
the act charged, but seeks to justify, excuse, or mitigate it . . . .&#8217; It does not &#8216;negate
selected elements or facts of the crime.&#8217;&#8221; People v Lemons, 454 Mich 234, 246 n 15; 562
NW2d 447 (1997) (citations omitted).
37
Not only does the textual language of the MMMA support this conclusion, but so does
the text of the ballot proposal, which stated in part that the proposed law would &#8220;[p]ermit 15
establish an affirmative defense requiring dismissal of the charges if the patient can
establish that (1) &#8220;[a] physician has stated that, in the physician&#8217;s professional opinion,
after having completed a full assessment of the patient&#8217;s medical history and current
medical condition made in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship, the
patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of
marihuana,&#8221; (2) the patient did not possess an amount of marijuana that was more than
&#8220;reasonably necessary&#8221; for this purpose, and (3) the patient&#8217;s use was &#8220;to treat or
alleviate the patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms . . . .&#8221;
38
The
protections afforded a patient under § 8 are much less broad than those provided under
§ 4 and extend only to prosecutions involving marijuana, disciplinary actions by a
business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, and forfeiture of any
interest in or right to property.
B. REQUIREMENTS OF THE § 8 AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The facts of King and Kolanek require us to consider whether a defendant must
satisfy the requirements of § 4 in order to have a valid defense under § 8. The
prosecution argues that the language &#8220;except as provided by section 7&#8221; in § 8(a)
incorporates the requirements of § 4, so that a defendant must establish under § 8 that he
did not possess more than 2.5 ounces of usable marijuana and did not possess more than
12 plants contained in an &#8220;enclosed, locked facility.&#8221;

registered and unregistered patients and primary caregivers to assert medical reasons for
using marijuana as a defense to any prosecution involving marijuana.&#8221;
38
MCL 333.26428(a)(1) through (3). 16
The relevant language of § 8 provides, &#8220;Except as provided in section 7, a patient
and a patient&#8217;s primary caregiver, if any, may assert the medical purpose for using
marihuana as a defense to any prosecution involving marihuana . . . .&#8221;
39
Section 7
provides a list of places where and situations in which the MMMA prohibits a person
from using or possessing marijuana. Specifically, it states, in relevant part:
(a) The medical use of marihuana is allowed under state law to the
extent that it is carried out in accordance with the provisions of this act.
(b) This act shall not permit any person to do any of the following:
(1) Undertake any task under the influence of marihuana, when
doing so would constitute negligence or professional malpractice.
(2) Possess marihuana, or otherwise engage in the medical use of
marihuana:
(A) in a school bus;
(B) on the grounds of any preschool or primary or secondary school;
or
(C) in any correctional facility.
(3) Smoke marihuana:
(A) on any form of public transportation; or
(B) in any public place.
(4) Operate, navigate, or be in actual physical control of any motor
vehicle, aircraft, or motorboat while under the influence of marihuana.
(5) Use marihuana if that person does not have a serious or
debilitating medical condition.
[40]

39
MCL 333.26428(a) (emphasis added).
40
MCL 333.26427 (emphasis added). 17
Reading §§ 7 and 8 together, it is clear that even if a defendant can establish the elements
of the affirmative defense under § 8, the defendant will not be entitled to dismissal under
§ 8 if the possession or medical use of marijuana at issue was in a manner or place
prohibited under § 7(b).
Under the Court of Appeals&#8217; construction, which the prosecution urges that we
adopt, the phrase &#8220;in accordance with the provisions of this act&#8221; in § 7(a) requires a
defendant to satisfy all the requirements of § 4 in order to establish the § 8 affirmative
defense. Principles of statutory construction, however, do not support this conclusion.
Nowhere does § 8 state that a defendant must also establish the requirements of § 4 in
order to present a valid affirmative defense under § 8. Precisely because such a
requirement is lacking, assertion of the § 8 defense without establishment of the § 4
requirements is &#8220;in accordance with the provisions of [the MMMA].&#8221;
The textual distinctions among §§ 4, 7(a), and 8 provide further support for our
interpretation that the plain language of § 8 does not require compliance with the
requirements of § 4. Sections 4 and 8 provide separate and distinct protections and
require different showings, while § 7(a), by its plain terms, does not incorporate § 4 into
§ 8.
41
Both §§ 4 and 7(a) refer to the &#8220;medical use&#8221; of marijuana, which the MMMA

41
The Court of Appeals recognized this distinction in People v Redden, 290 Mich App
65, 81; 799 NW2d 184 (2010), in which the Court rejected the same argument that the
prosecution raises here:
[T]his position ignores that the MMMA provides two ways in which
to show legal use of marijuana for medical purposes in accordance with the
act. Individuals may either register and obtain a registry identification card
under § 4 or remain unregistered and, if facing criminal prosecution, be
forced to assert the affirmative defense in § 8. 18
specifically defines as the use of marijuana &#8220;to treat or alleviate a registered qualifying
patient&#8217;s debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating
medical condition.&#8221;
42
Comparatively, § 8 refers primarily to the &#8220;medical purpose&#8221; of
marijuana and refers only to &#8220;patients,&#8221; not &#8220;registered qualifying patient.&#8221;
43
Thus,
§§ 4 and 7(a) have no bearing on the requirements of § 8, and the requirements of § 4
cannot logically be imported into the requirements of § 8 by means of § 7(a).
Further, in both cases, the prosecution concedes that the § 8 affirmative defense is
available to unregistered patients. There is simply no principled basis on which to
conclude that a defendant asserting a § 8 affirmative defense must meet some of the § 4
requisites, but not others, i.e., the registry card requirement. Moreover, if § 8 required a
defendant to establish all the requirements of § 4, then unregistered patients would never
be eligible for the affirmative defense under § 8. The result would be to effectively
abolish the differing protections extended to registered and unregistered patients. This

* * *
[A]dherence to § 4 provides protection that differs from that of § 8.
Because of the differing levels of protection in §§ 4 and 8, the plain
language of the statute establishes that § 8 is applicable for a patient who
does not satisfy § 4.
42
MCL 333.26423(e) (emphasis added).
43
Section 4 further refers to requirements applicable only to registered patients. The
term &#8220;enclosed, locked facility&#8221; used in § 4(a) is defined as a &#8220;closet, room, or other
enclosed area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a
registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.&#8221; MCL 333.26423(c)
(emphasis added). It would make no sense to import this requirement into § 8 given that
unregistered patients could never meet the definition of maintaining &#8220;an enclosed, locked
facility&#8221; because they are not registered qualifying patients. 19
interpretation is internally inconsistent, renders the affirmative defense in § 8 a nullity,
and is contrary to the electors&#8217; intent to permit both registered and unregistered patients
to assert medical reasons for using marijuana as a defense to any prosecution involving
marijuana.
We also reject the argument that § 8 must incorporate § 4 because otherwise
unregistered patients could possess more than 2.5 ounces of usable marijuana and keep
more than 12 marijuana plants outside an enclosed locked facility while registered users
cannot do so in an enclosed locked facility. The prosecution asserts that this result
affords unregistered patients more protection under the MMMA than registered patients.
This assertion is false and premised on a basic misunderstanding of how the differing
protections of § 4 and § 8 operate. The stricter requirements of § 4 are intended to
encourage patients to register with the state and comply with the act in order to avoid
arrest and the initiation of charges and obtain protection for other rights and privileges. If
registered patients choose not to abide by the stricter requirements of § 4, they will not be
able to claim this broad immunity, but will be forced to assert the affirmative defense
under § 8, just like unregistered patients.
44
In that instance, registered patients will be
entitled to the same lower level of protection provided to unregistered patients under § 8.
This result is not absurd, but is the consequence of the incentives created by the wider
protections of § 4.
Accordingly, we hold that to establish the elements of the affirmative defense in
§ 8, a defendant need not establish the elements of § 4. Any defendant, regardless of

44
See Redden, 290 Mich App at 81. 20
registration status, who possesses more than 2.5 ounces of usable marijuana or 12 plants
not kept in an enclosed, locked facility may satisfy the affirmative defense under § 8. As
long as the defendant can establish the elements of the § 8 defense and none of the
circumstances in § 7(b) exists, that defendant is entitled to the dismissal of criminal
charges.
Consequently, we reverse the Court of Appeals in King because it held that a
defendant asserting a § 8 defense must also meet all the requirements of § 4. King, who
had a valid patient registry card, may move for dismissal under § 8 and is not required to
establish the immunity requirements of § 4 in order to satisfy the requirements of the § 8
affirmative defense.
45
Similarly, Kolanek, who did not have a patient registry card at the
time of the offense, is likewise entitled to move for dismissal under § 8 and does not have
to establish the requirements of § 4 to be entitled to dismissal under § 8. The Court of
Appeals in Kolanek reached this same conclusion, and we therefore affirm the Court of
Appeals in this regard.
C. TIMELINESS OF PHYSICIAN&#8217;S STATEMENT UNDER § 8(a)(1)
The facts of Kolanek require us to determine when a physician must provide a
statement that a defendant is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the

45
Because we have concluded that a defendant need not establish the requirements of § 4
in order to satisfy the elements of the § 8 affirmative defense, we need not address the
Court of Appeals&#8217; holding that Kolanek did not satisfy the &#8220;enclosed, locked facility&#8221;
requirement of § 4. However, to provide some guidance, we note that courts considering
whether a defendant&#8217;s plants were kept in an &#8220;enclosed, locked facility&#8221; should focus on
whether the security device functions to &#8220;permit access only by a registered primary
caregiver or registered qualifying patient.&#8221; MCL 333.26423(c) (emphasis added). 21
medical use of marijuana under § 8(a)(1) in order for the defendant to assert the
affirmative defense. This inquiry requires us to answer two related questions: whether
the MMMA applies retroactively, so that a defendant may have a viable defense based on
a physician&#8217;s statement made before the MMMA&#8217;s effective date, and whether a
physician&#8217;s statement made after commission of the offense, but after enactment of the
MMMA, satisfies § 8(a)(1).
1. PRE-MMMA PHYSICIAN&#8217;S STATEMENTS
With regard to the first question, Kolanek argues that the MMMA applies
retroactively and that he therefore has a viable affirmative defense based on his
physician&#8217;s statements made five months before enactment of the MMMA. In
determining whether a statute adopted by initiative applies retroactively, the intent of the
electors governs.
46
Generally, &#8220;&#8216;statutes are presumed to operate prospectively unless the
contrary intent is clearly manifested.&#8217;&#8221;
47
However, statutes that &#8220;operate in furtherance
of a remedy or mode of procedure&#8221; and that &#8220;neither create new rights nor destroy,
enlarge, or diminish existing rights are generally held to operate retrospectively&#8221; absent a
contrary legislative intent.
48

We agree with the Court of Appeals that § 8 creates an affirmative defense that did
not previously exist for patients with serious medical conditions who are facing

46
Cf. Brewer v A D Transp Express, Inc, 486 Mich 50, 55-56; 782 NW2d 475 (2010).
47
Franks v White Pine Copper Div, 422 Mich 636, 671; 375 NW2d 715 (1985), quoting
Selk v Detroit Plastic Prod, 419 Mich 1; 345 NW2d 184 (1984).
48
Franks, 422 Mich at 672. 22
prosecution for possession of marijuana. This defense is a new substantive right
available to some defendants.
49
Section 8 cannot be fairly described as a mere correction
to an oversight in the law. Absent from the MMMA is any specific indication that the act
is to be applied retrospectively.
50
Therefore, the presumption of prospective application
controls. Accordingly, we conclude that the MMMA does not apply retroactively and
only has prospective effect.
Consequently, it would make no sense to permit Kolanek to rely on a physician&#8217;s
statement made before the MMMA&#8217;s enactment. At the time of the July 2008
conversation between Kolanek and his physician, state law prohibited the medical use of
marijuana, and Breitenbach&#8217;s speculative statements at that time could not have formed
the basis of an affirmative defense. Because the MMMA does not apply retroactively,
those pre-MMMA statements are legally inoperative in the present prosecution. PreMMMA physician&#8217;s statements, which could not have been used to insulate a defendant
from criminal prosecution before enactment of the MMMA, are not somehow
transformed to protect a defendant after enactment of the MMMA. Because the MMMA
does not apply retroactively, we hold that physician&#8217;s statements made before its
enactment cannot satisfy § 8(a)(1).

49
Kolanek, 291 Mich App at 240-241, discussing People v Campbell, 289 Mich App 533,
536; 798 NW2d 514 (2010) (reaching the same conclusion).
50
See Frank W Lynch & Co v Flex Technologies, Inc, 463 Mich 578, 584; 624 NW2d
180 (2001) (explaining that the Legislature can make clear its intent for a statute to apply
retroactively by explicitly so stating). 23
2. POSTOFFENSE PHYSICIAN&#8217;S STATEMENTS
Kolanek also argues that the physician&#8217;s statement he obtained six days after
committing the offense satisfied the requirements of § 8(a)(1) because that provision
merely requires that a physician &#8220;has stated&#8221; at some point in time that the patient has a
medical need for marijuana. When subdivisions (1) through (3) are read together, it
becomes clear that the physician&#8217;s statement must necessarily have occurred before the
commission of the offense if it is to be used as the basis for a § 8 defense.
As noted, § 8(a) provides in relevant part:
(1) A physician has stated that, in the physician&#8217;s professional
opinion, after having completed a full assessment of the patient&#8217;s medical
history and current medical condition made in the course of a bona fide
physician-patient relationship, the patient is likely to receive therapeutic or
palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the
patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the
patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating medical condition;
(2) The patient . . . [was] . . . in possession of a quantity of
marihuana that was not more than was reasonably necessary to ensure the
uninterrupted availability of marihuana for the purpose of treating or
alleviating the patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating medical condition or
symptoms . . . ; and
(3) The patient . . . [was] engaged in the . . . possession . . . of
marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating medical
condition or symptoms of the patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating medical
condition.
[51]
Beginning with § 8(a)(1), the term &#8220;has stated&#8221; is in the present perfect tense,
which &#8220;indicates action that was started in the past and has recently been completed or is

51
MCL 333.26428(a) (emphasis added). 24
continuing up to the present time.&#8221;
52
In People v Stewart,
53
we considered the temporal
limits of another present-perfect-tense term, &#8220;has cooperated,&#8221; and concluded it meant
that a defendant&#8217;s cooperation must have occurred sometime before the defendant applied
for parole. Similarly, the term &#8220;has stated&#8221; indicates that the physician&#8217;s statement must
have been made sometime before a defendant filed the motion to dismiss under § 8 but
not necessarily before commission of the offense.
Other language of § 8(a)(1), however, indicates that the statement must in fact
have been made even before the patient began using marijuana for the defense to apply.
Reading the term &#8220;has stated&#8221; in conjunction with the language in the same sentence &#8220;is
likely to receive [benefit from the medical use of marijuana]&#8221; indicates a future event that
will occur after the physician&#8217;s statement. Stated differently, § 8(a)(1) contemplates that
a patient will not start using marijuana for medical purposes until after the physician has
provided a statement of approval. It necessarily follows that any marijuana use before
the physician&#8217;s statement was not for medical purposes.
The language of § 8(a)(2) and (3) supports this conclusion. Section 8(a)(2)
requires a patient to establish that he or she had a &#8220;reasonably necessary&#8221; quantity of
marijuana &#8220;for the purpose of treating or alleviating the patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating
medical condition or symptoms . . . .&#8221; Similarly, § 8(a)(3) requires a showing that the
patient possessed the marijuana &#8220;to treat or alleviate the patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating

52
Sabin, The Gregg Reference Manual (11th ed) (New York: Glenco McGraw-Hill,
2011), p 314.
53
People v Stewart, 472 Mich 624, 631-632; 698 NW2d 340 (2005). 25
medical condition or symptoms . . . .&#8221; Both provisions presuppose a physician&#8217;s prior
diagnosis of a serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms before a patient may
treat the condition with marijuana. Consequently, reading these provisions together, it is
clear that the physician&#8217;s statement under § 8(a)(1) must have been made before a patient
began using marijuana for medical purposes. Thus, we hold that in order to satisfy the
requirements of § 8(a)(1), a defendant must establish that the physician&#8217;s statement was
made before the commission of the offense.
54

This interpretation makes sense in light of the laws criminalizing possession,
manufacture, and delivery of marijuana and the fact that the MMMA allows such charges
to be dismissed under certain circumstances. A reasonable inference to be drawn from
the MMMA&#8217;s provisions allowing the medical use of marijuana is that § 8 is intended to
protect those individuals who believe they have a genuine medical need for marijuana
that has been recognized by a physician, but for whatever reason have not obtained a
registry card. It would be illogical to extend this protection to individuals who have not
obtained a physician&#8217;s recognition of their medical need because the MMMA provides no
protections to such individuals. An after-the-fact exception to criminal liability would
encourage individuals to engage in self-medication or criminal activity on the basis of the
possibility that if prosecuted they could then obtain a doctor&#8217;s approval postoffense and
avoid criminal charges.
55
Because the MMMA was not intended to legitimize illegal

54
See also People v Reed, 294 Mich App 78; __ NW2d __ (2011) (holding the same).
55
The Court of Appeals in Reed, 294 Mich App at 84, recognized the nonsensical result
if § 8(a)(1) could be satisfied by a postoffense physician&#8217;s statement: 26
marijuana use, it makes sense to require that a defendant obtain a physician&#8217;s statement
authorizing the medical use of marijuana before the defendant actually uses marijuana for
that purpose.
56

In Kolanek, neither the postarrest physician&#8217;s statements nor the physician&#8217;s
statements made before the enactment of the MMMA satisfy, as a matter of law, the
requirement under § 8(a)(1). Thus, Kolanek, although entitled to raise the § 8 defense in
a motion for an evidentiary hearing, failed to establish at that hearing the requirements of
the § 8 affirmative defense and he cannot now, for reasons we will explain, present the
defense to the jury.
D. RAISING THE § 8 AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
The facts of Kolanek also require us to consider whether a defendant may reassert
the defense at trial after the circuit court has denied the defendant&#8217;s motion to dismiss

It would be absurd if it were possible to assert the § 8 affirmative
defense by obtaining a physician&#8217;s statement after the crime had been
committed but before an arrest has been made. The law would provide less
incentive to obtain a qualifying physician&#8217;s statement if it were construed in
the manner defendant suggests.
56
In this regard, the Court of Appeals in Kolanek recognized:
The law generally denies defendants the ability to excuse a criminal
violation postarrest. Thus, defendants cannot escape prosecution for a
violation of the concealed weapon statute by seeking a permit after arrest,
or escape prosecution for violations of the controlled substances act by
seeking a prescription for the substance from a physician after arrest.
Furthermore, the very fact that the law creates the ability to legitimately
have a defense to certain actions that would otherwise be illegal indicates
that persons must fulfill those requirements prior to any arrest. Otherwise,
there would be no incentive for anyone to spend their time and money to go
through the process . . . . [Kolanek, 291 Mich App at 238-239.] 27
under § 8. As we have explained, the medical use of marijuana is a statutorily created
affirmative defense. Section 8(a) provides that a patient or person may assert this defense
in &#8220;any prosecution involving marihuana&#8221; and that the defense &#8220;shall be presumed valid&#8221;
if its elements can be established.
57
Section 8(b) provides that a person &#8220;may assert [this
defense] in a motion to dismiss, and the charges shall be dismissed following an
evidentiary hearing where the person shows the elements listed in subsection (a).&#8221;
58
This
scheme makes clear that the burden of proof rests with the defendant, that the defendant
&#8220;may&#8221; move to dismiss the charges by asserting the defense in a motion to dismiss, and
that dismissal &#8220;shall&#8221; follow an evidentiary hearing. This last requirement is significant
because it indicates that the § 8 defense cannot be asserted for the first time at trial, but
must be raised in a pretrial motion for an evidentiary hearing.
A trial judge considering such a motion must be guided by well-established
principles of criminal procedure. Questions of fact are the province of the jury, while
question of law are reserved to the courts.
59
Judges presiding over criminal trials
regularly separate legal questions from factual ones, leaving to the jury those issues
requiring factual resolution and pertaining to the credibility of witnesses and weight of
the evidence. Trial judges undertake this same inquiry with respect to the defenses that a
defendant raises. If, for example, a defendant raises a defense but fails to present

57
MCL 333.26428(a).
58
MCL 333.26428(b) (emphasis added).
59
See Hamilton v People, 29 Mich 173 (1874); People v Mortimer, 48 Mich 37; 11 NW
776 (1882); People v Waldvogel, 49 Mich 337; 13 NW 620 (1882). 28
evidence from which a reasonable jury could conclude that the elements of the defense
have been met, then the defendant is not entitled to the defense instruction and the jury is
precluded from considering the defense.
60
Conversely, if a defendant produces sufficient
evidence of the elements of the defense, then the question whether defendant has asserted
a valid defense is for the jury to decide.
61
Thus, if a defendant raises a § 8 defense, there are no material questions of fact,
and the defendant &#8220;shows the elements listed in subsection (a),&#8221;
62
then the defendant is
entitled to dismissal of the charges following the evidentiary hearing. Alternatively, if a
defendant establishes a prima facie case for this affirmative defense by presenting
evidence on all the elements listed in subsection (a) but material questions of fact exist,
then dismissal of the charges is not appropriate and the defense must be submitted to the
jury.
63
Conflicting evidence, for example, may be produced regarding the existence of a

60
See, e.g., United States v Bailey, 444 US 394, 415; 100 S Ct 624; 62 L Ed 2d 575
(1980) (holding that a criminal defendant must produce evidence of all the elements of an
affirmative defense to be entitled to an instruction on that defense theory); Lemons, 454
Mich at 248 (&#8220;&#8216;Unless a defendant submits sufficient evidence to warrant a finding of
[the common-law affirmative defense of] duress, the trial court is not required to instruct
the jury on that defense.&#8217;&#8221;) (citation omitted); People v Mills, 450 Mich 61, 81; 537
NW2d 909 (1995) (&#8220;A trial court is required to give a requested instruction [for a defense
theory], except where the theory is not supported by evidence.&#8221;).
61
See People v Dupree, 486 Mich 693, 712; 788 NW2d 399 (2010) (holding that a
defendant who had produced sufficient prima facie evidence of the affirmative defense of
self-defense was entitled to the defense instruction).
62
MCL 333.26428(b).
63
The Court of Appeals has reached the same conclusion in a number of MMMA cases.
See, e.g., Redden, 290 Mich App at 83-85 (ruling that the circuit court improperly acted
as the trier of fact when &#8220;colorable issues&#8221; remained concerning the defendant&#8217;s § 8
defense, which should have been submitted to a jury); People v Anderson, 293 Mich App 29
bona fide doctor-patient relationship or whether the amount of marijuana possessed was
reasonable. Finally, if there are no material questions of fact and the defendant has not
shown the elements listed in subsection (a), the defendant is not entitled to dismissal of
the charges and the defendant cannot assert § 8(a) as a defense at trial. A trial judge must
preclude from the jury&#8217;s consideration evidence that is legally insufficient to support the
§ 8 defense because, in this instance, no reasonable juror could conclude that the
defendant satisfied the elements of the defense.
64
If the defendant believes that the circuit
court erroneously denied the motion, the defendant&#8217;s remedy is to apply for interlocutory
leave to appeal.
In Kolanek, no reasonable jury could have concluded that Kolanek satisfied the
elements of the § 8 affirmative defense. As explained, Kolanek did not meet the
requirements of § 8(a)(1) because he did not obtain a physician&#8217;s statement after
enactment of the MMMA and before the commission of his offense. Thus, Kolanek
failed to present evidence supporting the affirmative defense under § 8. Because no
reasonable jury could have concluded that Kolanek is entitled to the defense as a matter
of law, he is precluded from presenting evidence of this defense at trial. To allow

33, 66; 809 NW2d 176 (2011) (M. J. KELLY, J., concurring) (reasoning that determination
by a jury is appropriate if questions of fact exist regarding a defendant&#8217;s § 8 defense).
64
See Reed, 294 Mich App at 86 (concluding that &#8220;[no] reasonable jury could find that
defendant is entitled to the § 8 defense, and thus defendant is barred from asserting it at
trial&#8221;); Anderson, 293 Mich App at 65 (M. J. KELLY, J., concurring) (&#8220;[A] trial court may
bar a defendant from presenting evidence and arguing a § 8 defense at trial when, given
the undisputed evidence, no reasonable jury could find that the elements of the § 8
defense had been met.&#8221;). 30
submission of the defense to the jury when the defense fails as a matter of law would
unnecessarily burden the jury and the circuit court with irrelevant testimony.
65

Accordingly, the Court of Appeals erred by permitting Kolanek a &#8220;&#8216;second bite at the
apple&#8217;&#8221;
66
by allowing him to present his defense to the jury despite its conclusion that he
failed to present sufficient evidence that his use of marijuana was for medical purposes
under § 8. We therefore reverse this portion of the Court of Appeals&#8217; judgment.
In King, neither the district court nor the circuit court held an evidentiary hearing
with regard to King&#8217;s § 8 motion to dismiss. Because § 8 expressly requires an
evidentiary hearing to obtain dismissal of criminal charges, we remand to the circuit court
for it to hold such a hearing.
IV. CONCLUSION
The plain language of the MMMA does not require that a defendant asserting the
affirmative defense under § 8 also meet the requirements of § 4. Additionally, to meet
the requirements of § 8(a)(1), a defendant must establish that the physician&#8217;s statement
occurred after the enactment of the MMMA and before the commission of the offense. If
a circuit court denies a defendant&#8217;s motion to dismiss under § 8 and there are no material
questions of fact, then the defendant may not reassert the defense at trial; rather, the
appropriate remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal. Thus, we reverse the

65
See Bailey, 444 US at 416 (&#8220;If . . . an affirmative defense consists of several elements
and testimony supporting one element is insufficient to sustain it even if believed, the
trial court and jury need not be burdened with testimony supporting other elements of the
defense.&#8221;).
66
People v D&#8217;Angelo, 401 Mich 167, 178; 257 NW2d 655 (1977). 31
Court of Appeals&#8217; judgment in King and remand for an evidentiary hearing so that King
may raise the affirmative defense under § 8. We affirm the Court of Appeals&#8217; judgment
in Kolanek, with the exception of the portion directing the circuit court to allow Kolanek
to reassert the § 8 affirmative defense at trial.
Mary Beth Kelly
Robert P. Young, Jr.
Michael F. Cavanagh
Marilyn Kelly
Stephen J. Markman
Diane M. Hathaway
Brian K. Zahra
32
APPENDIX
In light of the need for guidance regarding the medical use of marijuana in
Michigan, the following is designed to summarize our numerous holdings in these cases.
1. Section 4 of the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act (MMMA), MCL 333.26424,
provides qualified registered patients broad immunity from &#8220;arrest, prosecution, or
penalty in any manner&#8221; and protection from the denial of &#8220;any right or privilege,
including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or
occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana
in accordance with this act . . . .&#8221;
2. To be entitled to the broad immunity of § 4, a qualifying patient with a registry
identification card who has not specified a primary caregiver must possess no more than
2.5 ounces of usable marijuana and 12 marijuana plants, which must be kept in &#8220;an
enclosed, locked facility.&#8221;
3. Registered patients who do not qualify for immunity under § 4, as well as
unregistered persons, are entitled to assert in a criminal prosecution the affirmative
defense of medical use of marijuana under § 8 of the MMMA, MCL 333.26428.
4. Section 8 of the MMMA provides a limited protection for the use of medical
marijuana in criminal prosecutions, which requires dismissal of the charges if all the
elements of the defense are established.
5. A defendant need not establish the elements of § 4 to have a valid affirmative
defense under § 8.
6. A defendant who moves for the dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 must
raise the defense in a pretrial motion to dismiss and for an evidentiary hearing. 33
7. A defendant is entitled to the dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 if, at the
evidentiary hearing, the defendant establishes all the elements of the § 8 affirmative
defense, which are (1) &#8220;[a] physician has stated that, in the physician&#8217;s professional
opinion, after having completed a full assessment of the patient&#8217;s medical history and
current medical condition made in the course of a bona fide physician-patient
relationship, the patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the
medical use of marihuana,&#8221; (2) the defendant did not possess an amount of marijuana that
was more than &#8220;reasonably necessary for this purpose,&#8221; and (3) the defendant&#8217;s use was
&#8220;to treat or alleviate the patient&#8217;s serious or debilitating medical condition or
symptoms . . . .&#8221; As long as a defendant can establish these elements, no question of fact
exists regarding these elements, and none of the circumstances in § 7(b), MCL
333.26427(b), exists, then the defendant is entitled to dismissal of the criminal charges.
8. With regard to the physician&#8217;s statement required by § 8(a)(1), the defendant
must have obtained the physician&#8217;s statement after enactment of the MMMA, but before
the commission of the offense.
9. If a defendant moves for dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 and at the
evidentiary hearing establishes prima facie evidence of all the elements of the § 8
affirmative defense, but material questions of fact exist, then dismissal of the charges is
not appropriate and the defense must be submitted to the jury.
10. If a defendant moves for dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 and at the
evidentiary hearing fails to present evidence from which a reasonable jury could conclude
that the defendant satisfied the elements of the § 8 affirmative defense, and there are no
questions of fact, then the circuit court must deny the motion to dismiss the charges. In 34
this instance, the defendant is not permitted to present the § 8 defense to the jury. Rather,
the defendant&#8217;s remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal.


Batter Up.
 

ozzrokk

Well-Known Member
Everyone PLEASE read it.

Now I believe they have no choice but to follow the law. But you know how leo and pa's are.....
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
9. If a defendant moves for dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 and at the
evidentiary hearing establishes prima facie evidence of all the elements of the § 8
affirmative defense, but material questions of fact exist, then dismissal of the charges is
not appropriate and the defense must be submitted to the jury.
10. If a defendant moves for dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 and at the
evidentiary hearing fails to present evidence from which a reasonable jury could conclude
that the defendant satisfied the elements of the § 8 affirmative defense, and there are no
questions of fact, then the circuit court must deny the motion to dismiss the charges. In 34
this instance, the defendant is not permitted to present the § 8 defense to the jury. Rather,
the defendant’s remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal.


What does that say, in your esteemed opinion? Because to me, it says that a judge can say "nope, the amount you had was not reasonable" and your section 8 is gone....and you can not present it to a jury...


The judge gets to decide what a "reasonable" jury would decide..before it ever gets to that jury. Pretty plain English.

Big hole in your celebration...
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
Everyone PLEASE read it.

Now I believe they have no choice but to follow the law. But you know how leo and pa's are.....
The only REAL change is that a section 8 is available to a non card holder, that has a Dr rec so long as he got it before the arrest.
AND that failing section 4, due to count, weight or locked and secure..you may try and prove a section 8...which won't help many.

It will reduce arrests of people that are within all aspects of the law. It will not help many that can't prove a rock solid condition to qualify, if they manage to get arrested.

It's a good ruling...but don't overestimate it's scope and depth...
 

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
9. If a defendant moves for dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 and at the
evidentiary hearing establishes prima facie evidence of all the elements of the § 8
affirmative defense, but material questions of fact exist, then dismissal of the charges is
not appropriate and the defense must be submitted to the jury.
10. If a defendant moves for dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 and at the
evidentiary hearing fails to present evidence from which a reasonable jury could conclude
that the defendant satisfied the elements of the § 8 affirmative defense, and there are no
questions of fact, then the circuit court must deny the motion to dismiss the charges. In 34
this instance, the defendant is not permitted to present the § 8 defense to the jury. Rather,
the defendant&#8217;s remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal.


What does that say, in your esteemed opinion? Because to me, it says that a judge can say "nope, the amount you had was not reasonable" and your section 8 is gone....and you can not present it to a jury...


The judge gets to decide what a "reasonable" jury would decide..before it ever gets to that jury. Pretty plain English.

Big hole in your celebration...

It says a Judge must rule on the Law, and Triers of Fact (weights) must be heard by the Jury.

Yes reasonable is one word where a Judge may make a ruling on stating the amount was beyond what a Jury would find Reasonable to a section 8.
But that is a Trier of Fact, and not for a Judge to rule on as Triers of Fact shall be heard by the Jury, and Judges rule on Triers of Law.

Do forget, the MSC also made it clear they (judges) must give the Act the Understanding of the People, not the understanding of Legislature, or the Judiciary, but the Simple and Easy understanding of the Common Michigander.


The MSC States:

  • 63
    The Court of Appeals has reached the same conclusion in a number of MMMA cases.
    See, e.g., Redden, 290 Mich App at 83-85 (ruling that the circuit court improperly acted
    as the trier of fact when &#8220;colorable issues&#8221; remained concerning the defendant&#8217;s § 8
    defense, which should have been submitted to a jury
    ); People v Anderson, 293 Mich App 29
    bona fide doctor-patient relationship or
    whether the amount of marijuana possessed was reasonable. Finally, if there are no material questions of fact and the defendant has not shown the elements listed in subsection (a), the defendant is not entitled to dismissal of the charges and the defendant cannot assert § 8(a) as a defense at trial. A trial judge must
    preclude from the jury&#8217;s consideration evidence that is legally insufficient to support the
    § 8 defense because, in this instance, no reasonable juror could conclude that the
    defendant satisfied the elements of the defense.
    64

    If the defendant believes that the circuit court erroneously denied the motion, the defendant&#8217;s remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal.







  • In Kolanek, no reasonable jury could have concluded that Kolanek satisfied the
    elements of the § 8 affirmative defense. As explained, Kolanek did not meet the
    requirements of § 8(a)(1) because he did not obtain a physician&#8217;s statement after
    enactment of the MMMA and before the commission of his offense. Thus, Kolanek
    failed to present evidence supporting the affirmative defense under § 8. Because no
    reasonable jury could have concluded that Kolanek is entitled to the defense as a matter
    of law, he is precluded from presenting evidence of this defense at trial. To allow






  • 3, 66; 809 NW2d 176 (2011) (M. J. KELLY, J., concurring) (reasoning that determination
    by a jury is appropriate if questions of fact exist regarding a defendant&#8217;s § 8 defense).
    64
    See Reed, 294 Mich App at 86 (concluding that &#8220;[no] reasonable jury could find that
    defendant is entitled to the § 8 defense, and thus defendant is barred from asserting it at
    trial&#8221;); Anderson, 293 Mich App at 65 (M. J. KELLY, J., concurring) (&#8220;[A] trial court may
    bar a defendant from presenting evidence and arguing a § 8 defense at trial when, given
    the undisputed evidence, no reasonable jury could find that the elements of the § 8
    defense had been met.&#8221;). 30






  • submission of the defense to the jury when the defense fails as a matter of law would
    unnecessarily burden the jury and the circuit court with irrelevant testimony.
    65






  • IV. CONCLUSION
    The plain language of the MMMA does not require that a defendant asserting the
    affirmative defense under § 8 also meet the requirements of § 4. Additionally, to meet
    the requirements of § 8(a)(1), a defendant must establish that the physician&#8217;s statement
    occurred after the enactment of the MMMA and before the commission of the offense. If
    a circuit court denies a defendant&#8217;s motion to dismiss under § 8 and
    there are no material
    questions of fact
    , then the defendant may not reassert the defense at trial; rather, the
    appropriate remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal.





you need to read more. If an accused defendant believes the judge ruled in error on a question of Fact, not a question of Law, then the appropriate remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal.

Look bob, as much as you would like to paint me as a criminal trying to game the system, the fact remains I am a Stand Up Law Abiding Citizen. I just wont roll over and play opossum like a coward. I dont Push the Law, like Many should, I make Big Brother Stand Right with the law, whether I really like it or not is not the point, so long as the law is in accordance with our Constitutional and Civil Rights.

The bottom line in your typical Flimsy attack's on me (this one is one of your more ignorant ones, Face it bob, you are WRONG, I am Correct, and it is KILLING YOU) is a question of what someone (note here son, PERSONAL INTERPRETATION) would find "reasonable".

The Amount of Material that a Jury would find "Reasonable" will almost certainly be different than what a Judge (especially one that does not particularly LIKE this Act, but thats not his choice, he MUST Uphold the Law, all of them including this one, OR he must be punished for abuse of power imo) may like them to, but that does not preclude the Jury for hearing the evidence. Only if its a matter of law. The MSC stated a Judge can only Rule and a TRIER OF LAW, all Trier of Facts must be heard by a Jury.



  • In Kolanek, no reasonable jury could have concluded that Kolanek satisfied the
    elements of the § 8 affirmative defense. As explained, Kolanek did not meet the
    requirements of § 8(a)(1) because he did not obtain a physician&#8217;s statement after
    enactment of the MMMA and before the commission of his offense. Thus, Kolanek
    failed to present evidence supporting the affirmative defense under § 8. Because no
    reasonable jury could have concluded that Kolanek is entitled to the defense as a matter
    of law, he is precluded from presenting evidence of this defense at trial.


So to answer you question, as the amount of material needed will vary the interpretation if the amount is "reasonable" or not, 99 out of 100 times will be heard by the jury (ironicaly thats around the amount of arrests in the state for simple possession) and I suspect in simple possession cases (that pesky 99/100 arrests for simple possession statistic that is a factual, quantifiable number) it wont even get to a Judge, let alone to a jury.

the others will be found guilty, as I dont fathom any jury would find 50 lbs reasonable, Unless it is a CG that has cancer, and works strictly with cancer patients. I would think Any jury would find a 90 day supply of medication on hand to be reasonable for most any ailment. Especially a medicine that is safer than aspirin. So accused CG has 50 lbs. It takes approximately 3 lbs of cannabis (dried and cured) to make each patient approximately a 90 day supply. that would be equal to about 2.5 ounces of medication once extracted and processed, give or take.

Now CG still has 32 lbs, He make all his patient, their Reserve meds which leaves him approximatly 14 lbs. He makes his meds and that leaves him 11 lbs. He then makes the remaining 11 lbs into 3 90 day supplies for 3 additional cancer patients and delivers it to a hospice, Cancer Center, Farmers market and accepts ZERO Money for it.

Is he a criminal or just a good human doing what he can to help his fellow man?

I would contest that is for a jury to decide.

Now Zapallio, the cuban cartel guy, is caught with 50 lbs of dank lumbos, 2 kilos of coke, and a pocketful of herion, I dont think hes going to be having a good day.

Sorry to repeatably burst your bubble, but you are an obvious glutton for punishment.

p.s. bob, it may do you well to read my signature once...
goodnight son.
 

FatMarty

Well-Known Member
9. If a defendant moves for dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 and at the
evidentiary hearing establishes prima facie evidence of all the elements of the § 8
affirmative defense, but material questions of fact exist, then dismissal of the charges is
not appropriate and the defense must be submitted to the jury.
10. If a defendant moves for dismissal of criminal charges under § 8 and at the
evidentiary hearing fails to present evidence from which a reasonable jury could conclude
that the defendant satisfied the elements of the § 8 affirmative defense, and there are no
questions of fact, then the circuit court must deny the motion to dismiss the charges. In 34
this instance, the defendant is not permitted to present the § 8 defense to the jury. Rather,
the defendant&#8217;s remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal.


What does that say, in your esteemed opinion? Because to me, it says that a judge can say "nope, the amount you had was not reasonable" and your section 8 is gone....and you can not present it to a jury...


The judge gets to decide what a "reasonable" jury would decide..before it ever gets to that jury. Pretty plain English.

Big hole in your celebration...
The decision says that a Jury should determine material questions of fact.
It's not the Judges call if you assert your rights.

62
then the defendant is
entitled to dismissal of the charges following the evidentiary hearing. Alternatively, if a
defendant establishes a prima facie case for this affirmative defense by presenting
evidence on all the elements listed in subsection (a) but material questions of fact exist,
then dismissal of the charges is not appropriate and the defense must be submitted to the
jury.
63
63
Conflicting evidence, for example, may be produced regarding the existence of a
bona fide doctor-patient relationship or whether the amount of marijuana possessed was
reasonable. Finally, if there are no material questions of fact and the defendant has not
shown the elements listed in subsection (a), the defendant is not entitled to dismissal of
the charges and the defendant cannot assert § 8(a) as a defense at trial. A trial judge must
preclude from the jury&#8217;s consideration evidence that is legally insufficient to support the
§ 8 defense because, in this instance, no reasonable juror could conclude that the
defendant satisfied the elements of the defense.

....

The Court of Appeals has reached the same conclusion in a number of MMMA cases.
See, e.g., Redden, 290 Mich App at 83-85 (ruling that the circuit court improperly acted
as the trier of fact when &#8220;colorable issues&#8221; remained concerning the defendant&#8217;s § 8
defense, which should have been submitted to a jury); People v Anderson, 293 Mich App 29

 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
It says a Judge must rule on the Law, and Triers of Fact (weights) must be heard by the Jury.

Yes reasonable is one word where a Judge may make a ruling on stating the amount was beyond what a Jury would find Reasonable to a section 8.
But that is a Trier of Fact, and not for a Judge to rule on as Triers of Fact shall be heard by the Jury, and Judges rule on Triers of Law.

Do forget, the MSC also made it clear they (judges) must give the Act the Understanding of the People, not the understanding of Legislature, or the Judiciary, but the Simple and Easy understanding of the Common Michigander.


The MSC States:


you need to read more. If an accused defendant believes the judge ruled in error on a question of Fact, not a question of Law, then the appropriate remedy is to apply for interlocutory leave to appeal.

Look bob, as much as you would like to paint me as a criminal trying to game the system, the fact remains I am a Stand Up Law Abiding Citizen. I just wont roll over and play opossum like a coward. I dont Push the Law, like Many should, I make Big Brother Stand Right with the law, whether I really like it or not is not the point, so long as the law is in accordance with our Constitutional and Civil Rights.

The bottom line in your typical Flimsy attack's on me (this one is one of your more ignorant ones, Face it bob, you are WRONG, I am Correct, and it is KILLING YOU) is a question of what someone (note here son, PERSONAL INTERPRETATION) would find "reasonable".

The Amount of Material that a Jury would find "Reasonable" will almost certainly be different than what a Judge (especially one that does not particularly LIKE this Act, but thats not his choice, he MUST Uphold the Law, all of them including this one, OR he must be punished for abuse of power imo) may like them to, but that does not preclude the Jury for hearing the evidence. Only if its a matter of law. The MSC stated a Judge can only Rule and a TRIER OF LAW, all Trier of Facts must be heard by a Jury.





So to answer you question, as the amount of material needed will vary the interpretation if the amount is "reasonable" or not, 99 out of 100 times will be heard by the jury (ironicaly thats around the amount of arrests in the state for simple possession) and I suspect in simple possession cases (that pesky 99/100 arrests for simple possession statistic that is a factual, quantifiable number) it wont even get to a Judge, let alone to a jury.

the others will be found guilty, as I dont fathom any jury would find 50 lbs reasonable, Unless it is a CG that has cancer, and works strictly with cancer patients. I would think Any jury would find a 90 day supply of medication on hand to be reasonable for most any ailment. Especially a medicine that is safer than aspirin. So accused CG has 50 lbs. It takes approximately 3 lbs of cannabis (dried and cured) to make each patient approximately a 90 day supply. that would be equal to about 2.5 ounces of medication once extracted and processed, give or take.

Now CG still has 32 lbs, He make all his patient, their Reserve meds which leaves him approximatly 14 lbs. He makes his meds and that leaves him 11 lbs. He then makes the remaining 11 lbs into 3 90 day supplies for 3 additional cancer patients and delivers it to a hospice, Cancer Center, Farmers market and accepts ZERO Money for it.

Is he a criminal or just a good human doing what he can to help his fellow man?

I would contest that is for a jury to decide.

Now Zapallio, the cuban cartel guy, is caught with 50 lbs of dank lumbos, 2 kilos of coke, and a pocketful of herion, I dont think hes going to be having a good day.

Sorry to repeatably burst your bubble, but you are an obvious glutton for punishment.

p.s. bob, it may do you well to read my signature once...
goodnight son.
Oh, simple possession charges for card holder will all but go away.

Again, the problem in your logic lies in "intent of the people"....the voters did not intend for this law to be a ticket to grow for profit...very few think that.

Well, anyhow..when the fist case happens, and I'm proven right..at least we can expect you to hide again, rather than admit your poor judgement....
 

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
ahahahha, I dont Hide. being cowardly is your shtick not mine.
The issue here son is that YOU want everyone to bow over to do as you say, not as you do...
world dont work like that, and to think it does, only proves your simpleton, lazy ideals.
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
ahahahha, I dont Hide. being cowardly is your shtick not mine.
The issue here son is that YOU want everyone to bow over to do as you say, not as you do...
world dont work like that, and to think it does, only proves your simpleton, lazy ideals.
I don't want anyone to bow over to me. I want them to have all views so that they can make their own decision.

God, I love the way you try and make your agenda into mine....classic rookie con artist....
 

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
Lol. all one needs to do is to go back to last fall, and read any of my posts concerning the Act Mr Jonny come Lately. Your the Mitt Romney that is flipping your position to suit your current position. lol what a dolt.
 

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
ya, the past and the truth will cement your position Mitt, err bob. you like another 2 days to change your position 3 times more?
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
ya, the past and the truth will cement your position Mitt, err bob. you like another 2 days to change your position 3 times more?
My position doesn't change much, or often. It will occasionally change as the situation changes..new rulings..hb's..stuff like that. I do incorporate new information into my thoughts.
 

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
you have argued both sides of a position, in the same thread, on the same DAY bob. lol
come on now be honest (its in print right here on this forum), you change your place a bit more often than Occasionally.

here is where we have our Largest difference. It seems you and others prefer to change your position as the tides roll in and out, while neglecting the fact as a Law passed by the People, it must be dealt with by Specific means. This is not any different that how we have to conduct ourselves under the 08 Act to have the protections from prosecution it offers. In the same respect, those governing our Laws, must also Follow the laws set forth to govern. So when they willingly and knowingly run afoul of the law, should we citizens not expect the same law to apply to them, as they apply to us? Thus, should we not expect our governing officials to follow and live by the rules we have to live by, and be rightfully punished when they break them? As any judge will tell you, Ignorance of the law is No Excuse, so what does that say about willful neglect of the law?

And I contest, should they actually not live up to a slightly Higher standard, being they are in the governing positions?

Why is it ok for you or I to go to jail for perhaps having 3 oz instead of 2.5 oz, while the CoA and other government officials can willfully break the law by knowingly violating the specific process a Law it to be governed by, simply because THEY do not agree with the LAW we the people passed.

I do not recall reading anywhere in any constitution, or constitutional amendment, that as an agent of the ruling body they are immune from prosecution for violation of the same laws they hold us accountable to.

I must ask, If We the People passed a Initiative that limited retirement benefits for all Government officials so they could not retire with a 250,000.00 annual salary, and lifetime full paid medical for their entire families (including grandchildren), and the government tried to overturn that Initiative with Illegal and Improper rulings, would you still be so nonchalant about it?

I read the Act a dozen or more times, Understood it, discussed it with some associates (some are lawyers, some Drs., some professional musicians, but most are just folks like myself, decent law abiding citizens just looking to make a good life, with minimal intrusion by the government or anyone else...), I formed my position derived from the exact words of the Act and being a politically minded soul, I already understood the differences between how a people initiative is to be handled, compared to Legislative or Judicial enacted bills/laws/mandates...

So this being a People's Initiative is the Key point to this Act, and as such, is actually the most important part of it. Otherwise, As I stated to the Judiciary, We the People would make a Law, and before it was even put into place, they could legislatively change it so dramatically, it would not even be CLOSE to the Law/Act We the People Enacted. Which is why I am so Hard Line on it.

If they can breach and dismantle this Peoples Initiative, one that over 60% of the US Citizens are firmly set needs to be on the law books, then what does that say to the Citizens about the government that works for them?

As a big business guy bob, would you let the guy in 1st level management, tell you, the CEO how to run the company? let him change the rules so your job as CEO is more complicated, and harder for you to run the company?


So should we just set back and allow the government to tell you what you want/wanted, or should you tell the government what you Expect out of them, your Employee?

Thats not how it works, and if it does work that way, then we may as well roll over and turn ourselves into the FEMA camps now. or the newly, re opened Michigan Prisons that need to be filled.
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
you have argued both sides of a position, in the same thread, on the same DAY bob. lol
come on now be honest (its in print right here on this forum), you change your place a bit more often than Occasionally.

here is where we have our Largest difference. It seems you and others prefer to change your position as the tides roll in and out, while neglecting the fact as a Law passed by the People, it must be dealt with by Specific means. This is not any different that how we have to conduct ourselves under the 08 Act to have the protections from prosecution it offers. In the same respect, those governing our Laws, must also Follow the laws set forth to govern. So when they willingly and knowingly run afoul of the law, should we citizens not expect the same law to apply to them, as they apply to us? Thus, should we not expect our governing officials to follow and live by the rules we have to live by, and be rightfully punished when they break them? As any judge will tell you, Ignorance of the law is No Excuse, so what does that say about willful neglect of the law?

And I contest, should they actually not live up to a slightly Higher standard, being they are in the governing positions?

Why is it ok for you or I to go to jail for perhaps having 3 oz instead of 2.5 oz, while the CoA and other government officials can willfully break the law by knowingly violating the specific process a Law it to be governed by, simply because THEY do not agree with the LAW we the people passed.

I do not recall reading anywhere in any constitution, or constitutional amendment, that as an agent of the ruling body they are immune from prosecution for violation of the same laws they hold us accountable to.

I must ask, If We the People passed a Initiative that limited retirement benefits for all Government officials so they could not retire with a 250,000.00 annual salary, and lifetime full paid medical for their entire families (including grandchildren), and the government tried to overturn that Initiative with Illegal and Improper rulings, would you still be so nonchalant about it?

I read the Act a dozen or more times, Understood it, discussed it with some associates (some are lawyers, some Drs., some professional musicians, but most are just folks like myself, decent law abiding citizens just looking to make a good life, with minimal intrusion by the government or anyone else...), I formed my position derived from the exact words of the Act and being a politically minded soul, I already understood the differences between how a people initiative is to be handled, compared to Legislative or Judicial enacted bills/laws/mandates...

So this being a People's Initiative is the Key point to this Act, and as such, is actually the most important part of it. Otherwise, As I stated to the Judiciary, We the People would make a Law, and before it was even put into place, they could legislatively change it so dramatically, it would not even be CLOSE to the Law/Act We the People Enacted. Which is why I am so Hard Line on it.

If they can breach and dismantle this Peoples Initiative, one that over 60% of the US Citizens are firmly set needs to be on the law books, then what does that say to the Citizens about the government that works for them?

As a big business guy bob, would you let the guy in 1st level management, tell you, the CEO how to run the company? let him change the rules so your job as CEO is more complicated, and harder for you to run the company?


So should we just set back and allow the government to tell you what you want/wanted, or should you tell the government what you Expect out of them, your Employee?

Thats not how it works, and if it does work that way, then we may as well roll over and turn ourselves into the FEMA camps now. or the newly, re opened Michigan Prisons that need to be filled.
The system is working. The SC just ruled, and slapped the hands of the prosecutors..did ya miss that?

You expect everything to go as you see it. Period, end of discussion. The government IS trying to make sense of the law...without letting it become out of hand.

People like you want the law to mean legal cannabis. It was never intended to do that. You have no respect for authority or government..that is your real fight.

It's so easy for you to criticize peoples efforts..as you sit and do nothing.

You still can't admit that the act "as written" needs amendments and clarification...nope leave it alone..free for all. I can sell weed at a lemonade stand...law "as written" doesn't forbid it....that's you message.

Mine is more about having some respect and appreciation for what we have.

Your close minded attitude will further hurt medical cannabis..The MMMA has become an embarrassment to medical patients...as will you.
 

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
sorry bob, your assuming again and it is showing.....

if I wanted Legal Cannabis, then I will be voting for it this November should it make its ballot.
Imagine that, someone actually Started a Separate Peoples Initiative to accomplish the task at hand.

your correct, i wont admit it needs amendments or clarification because it needs neither. It is firmly outlines what the Act is to do. Allow Patients and Caregivers to be protected from prosecution for ANY Cannabis related issue, so long as the person is in compliance with the Act.

So the act does exactly what is supposed to do, and what it was voted in to do. Now with the MSC ruling the parts of government that Didn't like this act, have NO RECOURSE but to fully and rightfully uphold the intent of the act, via the simple words given to the act by the electorate the ratified the act, ie, the Voters in 2008.

That is where you are confused bob. You and SO MANY others think this act was supposed to dot all the I's and cross all the T's and account for every angle of cannabis. So it is YOU that want more of this Act, than it is meant to do/say/mean/make acceptable, not I.

The 2008 MMM Act is simply a Law, passed by a majority of voters via a People's Initiative (the most important part of this Act) to protect those with a Drs recommendation from Prosecution for the Medical Use of cannabis, Greater protections including simply arrest, for those that register with the state as part of the act, and outlines the basic do's that are authorized activity, and the don'ts that are not authorized activities.

It was not meant, nor intended to create a state wide brick and mortar business law, but simple protections for the Citizens.

So explain to me again, how it is I'm confused over what this law is, when it is you that is trying to make it more than it was ever meant, or intended, or could even be interpreted to be?
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
sorry bob, your assuming again and it is showing.....

if I wanted Legal Cannabis, then I will be voting for it this November should it make its ballot.
Imagine that, someone actually Started a Separate Peoples Initiative to accomplish the task at hand.

your correct, i wont admit it needs amendments or clarification because it needs neither. It is firmly outlines what the Act is to do. Allow Patients and Caregivers to be protected from prosecution for ANY Cannabis related issue, so long as the person is in compliance with the Act.

So the act does exactly what is supposed to do.

That is where you are confused bob. You and SO MANY others think this act was supposed to dot all the I's and cross all the T's and account for every angle of cannabis. So it is YOU that want more of this Act, than it is meant to do/say/mean/make acceptable, not I.

The 2008 MMM Act is simply a Law, passed by a majority of voters via a People's Initiative (the most important part of this Act) to protect those with a Drs recommendation from Prosecution for the Medical Use of cannabis, Greater protections including simply arrest, for those that register with the state as part of the act, and outlines the basic do's that are authorized activity, and the don'ts that are not authorized activities.

It was not meant, nor intended to create a state wide brick and mortar business law, but simple protections for the Citizens.

So explain to me again, how it is I'm confused over what this law is, when it is you that is trying to make it more than it was every meant to be?
I'm not assuming..I'm predicting....based upon years of experience.

For the most part..the law works. It does protect the vast majority of medical users. Yes, an occasional guy gets arrested for pushing untested limits of the law. Where is the surprise in that? So far, the courts have ruled favorably for most of those people.

Far more people are getting away with abusing it than innocents are being arrested.

A law also has to define implementation and effect...this act does not...it is hastily written and full of holes.

Pleas find me a law that HAS NOT been amended to clarify over time...why should this one be different?
 

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
again, all fluff no substance... well you need to improve your abilities, or get more experience.



You have been wrong pretty much every step of the way, and the MSC ruling has proven it so far.
and Ironically enough, it has upheld pretty much all that I have said.

Interesting.
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
again, all fluff no substance... well you need to improve your abilities, or get more experience.



You have been wrong pretty much every step of the way, and the MSC ruling has proven it so far.
and Ironically enough, it has upheld pretty much all that I have said.

Interesting.
Your interpretation of the SC ruling is far too generous. They did as they should, they clarified and upheld the basic defenses.

And for anyone who can read..they also opened up a whole bunch of new things for prosecutors to test.

See, it works like this. I was representing myself in court, suing a guy for breech of contract. The judge denied a motion I made. I asked him if I could file a differently worded motion, on the same subject and have the motion pass.

His reply was that he could not give legal advise, but could answer questions on protocol. I re worded my question to "how would one go about re filing a new motion"...and he told me exactly how to word it, file it and proceed. The simple change of wording, made it a protocol question..not legal advise.

Two days later, the same judge granted my new motion, and I had a $40,000 judgement for damages. Same judge helped me collect too. At least, he guided me through the protocol..without giving direct advise.

He wanted to help me..but could not under protocol. So he directed me to proper protocol. Supreme Court just did the same thing for prosecutors.

All I'm saying is that the SC rulings upheld the med law, but they also established new "protocol" for the prosecutors...the prosecutors know the rules of the game, and will begin round two of arrests soon....and the direction they have been given by the SC, will bite people that think like you in the ass..

"Reasonable amounts for medical condition".....huge wording..huge...but you can't grasp open minded thinking..so all you'll do is cry foul when some poor guy goes to jail for following your advise.

Me, I'd rather he didn't get arrested in the first place.
 
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