31 dems to vote against Holder?

[Illegal Smile]

I refer to you as a jackass because I don't like you. It's kind of hard for me to like a homophobe. I find homophobes and racists to be the most morally bankrupt and hypocritical people in our society.

To entertain the "thought" that the Op went as planned and the the mistake is that it was exposed is honestly disgusting. Your point about there being culpability at high levels is a little but if a stretch.

Using that rational, that there's responsibility at the top for every Op undertaken is a slippery slope. Do you really expect the POTUS to be responsible for all ATF, DEA, etc ?

If so what should we do about the unfunded invasion of a country based in bad intelligence and lies?

Does it help?

 

[nontheist]

Take what jackass?

The fact that an op went wrong? The people here in a tizzy are the righties. I'm sitting back laughing, answer my question.
Would you prefer that we let Mexican cartels and drug runners go unchecked?

lulz leaving them unchecked is one thing, but giving them tools to do better is another. I love the mentality "this is bad, quick lets make it worse!" It seems that's all our government can pull off anymore (liberal or conservative). More people have died in Mexico in the last 7 years than our last few wars, and it "ok" cause other presidents have misused positions? So if George Zimmerman IS found guilty of a hate crime, he should use the defense, "Its ok people Hitler was worse!" and we all go our happy way? What a crock. Bush was a terribad president, we all know what, but ignoring accountability because of the past is piss poor way of handling things....Holder and ATF top dogs need to be made an example of, all of our 3 letter abbreviations departments are out of control and need checks and balances put in place. Ignore this now and it only gets worse next time, and it might just be you on the receiving end.

 

[ink the world]

lulz leaving them unchecked is one thing, but giving them tools to do better is another. I love the mentality "this is bad, quick lets make it worse!" It seems that's all our government can pull off anymore (liberal or conservative). More people have died in Mexico in the last 7 years than our last few wars, and it "ok" cause other presidents have misused positions? So if George Zimmerman IS found guilty of a hate crime, he should use the defense, "Its ok people Hitler was worse!" and we all go our happy way? What a crock. Bush was a terribad president, we all know what, but ignoring accountability because of the past is piss poor way of handling things....Holder and ATF top dogs need to be made an example of, all of our 3 letter abbreviations departments are out of control and need checks and balances put in place. Ignore this now and it only gets worse next time, and it might just be you on the receiving end.

Asking the AG to be personally responsible for every decision made by his underlings is to be preposterous. Should the CEO of McDonalds be held responsible because someone got sick from a hamburger in Illinois?

Yep, way too many have died in Mexico. That sure as hell isn't because of FAF. That's been going on for a decade, and its wrong. Blame Prohibition for that not a single operation that went bad.

Seriously, this comes off as a political witch hunt.

 

[ink the world]

Does it help?

Does what help? Me answering your question with honesty?

 

[Illegal Smile]

lulz leaving them unchecked is one thing, but giving them tools to do better is another. I love the mentality "this is bad, quick lets make it worse!" It seems that's all our government can pull off anymore (liberal or conservative). More people have died in Mexico in the last 7 years than our last few wars, and it "ok" cause other presidents have misused positions? So if George Zimmerman IS found guilty of a hate crime, he should use the defense, "Its ok people Hitler was worse!" and we all go our happy way? What a crock. Bush was a terribad president, we all know what, but ignoring accountability because of the past is piss poor way of handling things....Holder and ATF top dogs need to be made an example of, all of our 3 letter abbreviations departments are out of control and need checks and balances put in place. Ignore this now and it only gets worse next time, and it might just be you on the receiving end.

Obviously we need to find out exactly what happened THEN decide if anyone is responsible and if so, who. To do that we need a special prosecutor and an investigation. If it is just a little "oops" that will be revealed. Let the facts come out. The seriousness of the charges demands an investigation.

 

[bundee1]

Obviously we need to find out exactly what happened THEN decide if anyone is responsible and if so, who. To do that we need a special prosecutor and an investigation. If it is just a little "oops" that will be revealed. Let the facts come out. The seriousness of the charges demands an investigation.

Fair Enough

 

[Mr Neutron]

Would you guys prefer if we didn't have stings that target gun runners and the Mexican cartels?

Why are we even getting involved in another country's law enforcement?

 

[Mr Neutron]

Asking the AG to be personally responsible for every decision made by his underlings is to be preposterous. Should the CEO of McDonalds be held responsible because someone got sick from a hamburger in Illinois?

ROTFLMAO... OK, that's it. NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!

 

[Illegal Smile]

Why are we even getting involved in another country's law enforcement?

It's like a sinking boat - it doesn't help that the hole is in the other end.

 

[nontheist]

Asking the AG to be personally responsible for every decision made by his underlings is to be preposterous. Should the CEO of McDonalds be held responsible because someone got sick from a hamburger in Illinois?

Yep, way too many have died in Mexico. That sure as hell isn't because of FAF. That's been going on for a decade, and its wrong. Blame Prohibition for that not a single operation that went bad.

Seriously, this comes off as a political witch hunt.

Well in the normal world, yes this is how it works. I have never worked for anyone that liked excuses (well the people I have working for me are morons) just don't cut it and a judge wont buy it. If someone gets sick at McDonalds in Illinois, McDonalds will end up paying the bill, which in tern will effect the CEO especially if it was proves he was incompetent and showed neglect criminal charges could be filed. We have seen this time and time again, so you may have answered honesty in your terms but not accurately. If Holder cant manage it, he needs to be replaced its as simple as that. I am tired of excuses from both sides, its time to start holding people accountable to get a little fear back in to our politicians.