Does Self Exist? What is the proof?

[cannabineer]

I would not be surprised if our brains had a quantum-computing component. The actual datarate of the front layer of consciousness is damn slow: 10 Hz at best. The richness of our experience can probably best be explained by that bitrate being "unchained" by the sheer dimensionality of a quantum overlay.

Maybe.
cn

 

[Doer]

Here's a list of articles and such. It's pretty compelling stuff. And again I see what we touch on here can be easily found that greater minds than ours are already in there. I had only read one little thing before about micro-tubriles being discovered in the brain. For what possible purpose are stacks and stacks of K+ ions carefully isolated and maintained in tubes? It was thought that perhaps they acted like a set of Qbits, to do the actual, enormous, processing of cognition. THere are some interesting communication and infomation implications, as well.

http://www.quantum-mind.co.uk/key-articles-c127.html

A lot more here. And about a favorite topic, photosynthesis. I can imagine a quantum play in those perfect for uvb, resin spheres, also.

 

[eye exaggerate]

I would not be surprised if our brains had a quantum-computing component. The actual datarate of the front layer of consciousness is damn slow: 10 Hz at best. The richness of our experience can probably best be explained by that bitrate being "unchained" by the sheer dimensionality of a quantum overlay.

Maybe.
cn

...I love how that spirals out from physics to physiques Being connected, or coupled, full-time - giggity (I kid - I kid )

>would that be a non-dimensional overlay ?

 

[high|hgih]

I think we are like computers basically as well, I hope Im not changing the subject too much but if youve ever seen promethius yet, in the beggining this man eats this liquid stuff which basically deteriorates his whole body, his leg collapses into decomposing black shit and he falls apart.

Now about a month or two ago I had a near death experience. If youve ever had one you have your own interpretative view of it. It showed me that we are corrodable.. I mean I knew that before, but like... Jesus, okay so I overdosed on this stuff called 25c nBOME because I smoked a lot of synthetic on it and had this like.. Im not entirely sure it was a seizure but it was something. It felt like there was plastic inside of my skull and it kept popping up at random places, gradually getting bigger. It didnt hurt, but it felt like I was a tree, and someone was chopping me down. I knew I was dead. But I was okay with it. The sky showed me its true colors it was the most beautiful sight I have ever seen. I felt as if I was getting pulled into this giant fractal absent hole of the giant lotus type thing that was surrounding me, it was a light at the end of a tunnel kind of thing. During this I had NO idea what was going on around me, where I was... I didnt care, I felt like I was finally being freed. The further I went the better I felt.

Now I dont know how it happened but I slowly regained consciousness over the course of the next 30 minutes.. The phenomenon lasted all night, until the next morning.

It showed me that death is nothing to be afraid of. It showed me the actual importance behind epicurian quote of 'need not fear death for life is existence and death is the end of our existence. There for irrelevant to our existing selves' Thats not the exact quote butttt... Anyways I would have been completely okay with dying right there. And I realized thatthe saying of 'we all go to the same place' is true because of this. If one is to die, they will experience this universal experience. Therefor going to the same 'place' whether or not the place is the same as someone elses. They will know that you too, went out happily.

 

[Doer]

Just caught one of those sci shows, Through the Wormhole. The universe is alive. by any definition, sort of, using a city as an analogy. OK. Various large and small living organisms. OK. But, then they were talking about dis-local quantum computing and this idea of self awareness of all the particles in the universe of themselves. The remote effects. OK.

But, then they went on to suggest that it is also intelligent and on and on....I got lost. I'll have to watch it again. But, I remember they were linking our quantum minds and observation, etc.

 

[high|hgih]

Quantom mechanics is strange, I need to do more reading on it. Care to explain the whole thing behind quantom particles moving only when being observed? They simply pop into existence? How does this work exactly?

 

[Cut.Throat.]

Quantom mechanics is strange, I need to do more reading on it. Care to explain the whole thing behind quantom particles moving only when being observed? They simply pop into existence? How does this work exactly?

Watch: The.Universe.S07E05.Microscopic.Universe.HDTV.XviD-AFG
Search bittorrent for it.

 

[high|hgih]

Okay it is currently downloading I will watch it tonight thanks man

 

[Doer]

Quantom mechanics is strange, I need to do more reading on it. Care to explain the whole thing behind quantom particles moving only when being observed? They simply pop into existence? How does this work exactly?

Get a playing card and cut two holes next to each other, slits if you like. It's called the Double Hole experiment. Shine a flashlight through the playing card, onto a wall. Two holes outlined in the light? No. The light fans out and makes a row of holes. Not two.

Why is that? So, a bit of reading up. It gets somewhat technical. It is just that when you try to observe at the particle level, you want to see how a photon can be in two places at once, but suddenly they are not. It is because the experiment is not just upset with the use of detectors, the result will be photons going though two holes only. Weird. And if they look back through the the holes it looks like the somehow the particle knows before hand, that the experiment came live. Information pasted back in time. Location can't be pinned down.

That is a very over simplified explanation, but the experiment is famous the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. It means we cannot truly understand what is an atom, for example. It may just be a dense vibration, somehow.

 

[high|hgih]

Hmm interesting. Have you ever dabbled with string theory?
If not nova has a good video of it online for free, I suggest watching it

 

[cannabineer]

I tangled with it once ... cn

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Here you go High, explains in a way everyone can understand, and its fun too!

[video=youtube;DfPeprQ7oGc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc[/video]

 

[high|hgih]

Holy butt fuck, thanks strife! Now I understand.. Thats incredibly strange.. I always think about these things when I trip really hard and they make complete and utter sense. I cant wait til the fourth!

You get rep for that my friend

 

[high|hgih]

• I tangled with it once ... cn​
  
  
  
  

Harharharhar xD

Here if you guys wanna get into it. Im gonna watch it again tonight as Im having a whole new light to quantom mechanics
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/elegant-universe.html

 

[BigJon]

I think we all need to take into consideration that there was a time when there was no consciousness in the universe, matter had not yet evolved to incorporate this. So if at one point there are no conscious beings to observe the universe, would this not mean that the universe would cease to exist as it would not be observable by anything?

This is a rhetorical question, written to make others think, that is all.

But what does matter have to do with consciousness? Pre-universe, maybe its possible that the potential energy that would become the universe was pure consciousness?

 

[Doer]

But what does matter have to do with consciousness? Pre-universe, maybe its possible that the potential energy that would become the universe was pure consciousness?

But, matter alone has created your consciousness. And now it seem more likely that consciousness is a quantum effect. The material we call matter is undifined except in a gross physical sense.

And since we only know one type of conscousness, it may be that the universe has another type of self-awareness. It has to do with qunatum computing. If we can do it, the universe my use QC with neutrinos somehow, as it's DNA to unroll it's living self. It's living self has a propensity to produce organic molecules and black holes. There are cloulds of ethanol that extend for light years, for example.

So, in this very strange view, we are the gut fauna of the universe. No mystery we are here. We're part of the universe and it's natural abilitiies as an organism. It could be spawing child universes in the bottom of black holes. We could be a universe pod spawned at the bottom of a parent hole. So, it reads like fantasy, but it's math. Does not make it true, but it is a bit more than just a silly idea.