romney on MMJ: "aren't there issues of significance you'd like to talk about?"

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
lifegoesonbrah said:
Oh ok so he just lied again and Bucky believes him.... again. Great. bongsmilie
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he didn't lie, he actually said it's time for a serious debate. now it's up to us to debate. my position: full legalization, taxation, and regulation on a federal level.

judging by your support for rawn pawl, i believe you would be content to let states prohibit at their discretion. n'est pas?
 
deprave

deprave

New Member
Why would you need to look for reasons to hate Obama Or Mitt Romney, theres plenty, hatred and evil just oozes out their pours.

Why are you looking to justify the war on Marijuana on a Marijuana site? Troll much?
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
deprave said:
Why would you need to look for reasons to hate Obama Or Mitt Romney, theres plenty, hatred and evil just oozes out their pours.

Why are you looking to justify the war on Marijuana on a Marijuana site? Troll much?
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LOL!

You are so twisted. Facts do not prevail to demonstrate to you that Obama is the most liberal president on cannabis that has ever sat in the Oval Office. You still insist that Obama = Romney in a thread about MMJ, you're not stupid bro. I had respect for you but I see you are just a liar. We agree that Obama's approach to MMJ is stupid because he is not swinging his political weight around, but to say they are the same is blatantly dishonest and you know it. You know full well that the progress of the last four years will disappear and never return if Obama loses.

You are the one who supports prohibition of cannabis here.

You call yourself a left leaning Libertarian, but have you read anything from Noam Chomskey? You're right leaning, you're just a republican.
 
lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

Well-Known Member
UncleBuck said:
he didn't lie, he actually said it's time for a serious debate. now it's up to us to debate. my position: full legalization, taxation, and regulation on a federal level.

judging by your support for rawn pawl, i believe you would be content to let states prohibit at their discretion. n'est pas?
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Kinda like he said it should be debated 4 years ago. When is this debate supposed to occur exactly?

Vous êtes un idiot. bongsmilie
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
lifegoesonbrah said:
Its pretty pathetic that you can't even come up with your own arguments, you have to use Bucky's twisted and ridiculous logic.
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Nothing you just said shows a fallacy in the logic. Just because UB may have said this before doesn't make it false. Some perspicacious logician you are...
 
deprave

deprave

New Member
abandonconflict said:
LOL!

You are so twisted. Facts do not prevail to demonstrate to you that Obama is the most liberal president on cannabis that has ever sat in the Oval Office. You still insist that Obama = Romney in a thread about MMJ, you're not stupid bro. I had respect for you but I see you are just a liar. We agree that Obama's approach to MMJ is stupid because he is not swinging his political weight around, but to say they are the same is blatantly dishonest and you know it. You know full well that the progress of the last four years will disappear and never return if Obama loses.

You are the one who supports prohibition of cannabis here.

You call yourself a left leaning Libertarian, but have you read anything from Noam Chomskey? You're right leaning, you're just a republican.
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"You call yourself a left leaning Libertarian, but have you read anything from Noam Chomskey? You're right leaning, you're just a republican."

I am not a republican, I am very insulted by that, that is impossible. Additionally I am not right leaning, that is also impossible. Finally, I know all about Noam Chomskey and I have seen several films, I like it, I don't take it as gospel, he is really not that smart.

"Facts do not prevail to demonstrate to you that Obama is the most liberal president on cannabis that has ever sat in the Oval Office."

Which facts would those be? Such as? There has been no action only pandering which all recent presidents have done, pander to this.

"You still insist that Obama = Romney in a thread about MMJ"

As far as actions and not pandering and political stunts they would be. They agree on absolutely everything aside from their pandering audience, they split that up 50/50. It is a false choice. They both have the same corporate sponsors. If saying "its time to talk about legalizing crack" would get him votes, Mitt Romney would say it, so would Obama...Why the fuck not?

"I had respect for you but I see you are just a liar."

What did I lie about?

" We agree that Obama's approach to MMJ is stupid "

I am glad you think we agree, but... what approach would that be exactly? Laughing at town halls and saying things people want to hear when you get cornered? I don't consider this as an approach at all.

"but to say they are the same is blatantly dishonest"

Thats not dishonesty, thats a fundamental disagreement. I think they are the same, that's my opinion. My opinion is not a fact and neither is yours. Can you tell me how they are different? I have explained how they are the same in great detail over the last months. I would appreciate some feedback.


"You are the one who supports prohibition of cannabis here."

Really hows that?
 
lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

Well-Known Member
abandonconflict said:
LOL!

Facts do not prevail to demonstrate to you that Obama is the most liberal president on cannabis that has ever sat in the Oval Office.
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List of U.S Presidents more liberal on cannabis use compared to Obama:


George Washington (1789-1797) John Adams (1789-1797)
John Adams (1797-1801) Thomas Jefferson (1797-1801)
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) Aaron Burr (1801-1805)
George Clinton (1805-1809)
James Madison (1809-1817) George Clinton (1809-1812)
none (1812-1813)
Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814)
none (1814-1817)
James Monroe (1817-1825) Daniel D. Tompkins (1817-1825)
John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) John C. Calhoun (1825-1829)
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) John C. Calhoun (1829-1832)
none (1832-1833)
Martin Van Buren (1833-1837)
Martin Van Buren (1837-1841) Richard M. Johnson (1837-1841)
William Henry Harrison (1841) John Tyler (1841)
John Tyler (1841-1845) none (1841-1845)
James K. Polk (1845-1849) George M. Dallas (1845-1849)
Zachary Taylor (1849-1850) Millard Fillmore (1849-1850)
Millard Fillmore (1850-1853) none (1850-1853)
Franklin Pierce (1853-1857) William King (1853)
none (1853-1857)
James Buchanan (1857-1861) John C. Breckinridge (1857-1861)
Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865) Hannibal Hamlin (1861-1865)
Andrew Johnson (1865)
Andrew Johnson (1865-1869) none (1865-1869)
Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877) Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873)
Henry Wilson (1873-1875)
none (1875-1877)
Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881) William Wheeler (1877-1881)
James A. Garfield (1881) Chester Arthur (1881)
Chester Arthur (1881-1885) none (1881-1885)
Grover Cleveland (1885-1889) Thomas Hendricks (1885)
none (1885-1889)
Benjamin Harrison (1889-1893) Levi P. Morton (1889-1893)
Grover Cleveland (1893-1897) Adlai E. Stevenson (1893-1897)
William McKinley (1897-1901) Garret Hobart (1897-1899)
none (1899-1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909) none (1901-1905)
Charles Fairbanks (1905-1909)
William Howard Taft (1909-1913) James S. Sherman (1909-1912)
none (1912-1913)
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) Thomas R. Marshall (1913-1921)
Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) Calvin Coolidge (1921-1923)
Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929) none (1923-1925)
Charles Dawes (1925-1929)
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) Charles Curtis (1929-1933)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945) John Nance Garner (1933-1941)
Henry A. Wallace (1941-1945)
Harry S Truman (1945)
Harry S Truman (1945-1953) none (1945-1949)
Alben Barkley (1949-1953)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961) Richard Nixon (1953-1961)
John F. Kennedy (1961-1963) Lyndon B. Johnson (1961-1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969) none (1963-1965)
Hubert Humphrey (1965-1969)
Richard Nixon (1969-1974) Spiro Agnew (1969-1973)
none (1973)
Gerald Ford (1973-1974)
Gerald Ford (1974-1977) none (1974)
Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977)
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981) Walter Mondale (1977-1981)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) George Bush (1981-1989)
George Bush (1989-1993) Dan Quayle (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001) Al Gore (1993-2001)
George W. Bush (2001-2009) Dick Cheney (2001-2009)
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
deprave said:
"You call yourself a left leaning Libertarian, but have you read anything from Noam Chomskey? You're right leaning, you're just a republican."

I am not a republican, I am very insulted by that, that is impossible. Additionally I am not right leaning, that is also impossible. Finally, I know all about Noam Chomskey and I have seen several films, I like it, I don't take it as gospel, he is really not that smart.

"Facts do not prevail to demonstrate to you that Obama is the most liberal president on cannabis that has ever sat in the Oval Office."

Which facts would those be? Such as? There has been no action only pandering which all recent presidents have done, pander to this.

"You still insist that Obama = Romney in a thread about MMJ"

As far as actions and not pandering and political stunts they would be. They agree on absolutely everything aside from their pandering. It is a false choice. They both have the same corporate sponsors. If saying "its time to talk about legalizing crack" would get him votes, Mitt Romney would say it, so would Obama...Why the fuck not?

"I had respect for you but I see you are just a liar."

What did I lie about?

" We agree that Obama's approach to MMJ is stupid "

I am glad you think we agree, but... what approach would that be exactly? Laughing at town halls and saying things people want to hear when you get cornered?

"but to say they are the same is blatantly dishonest"

Thats not dishonesty, thats a fundamental disagreement. I think they are the same, that's my opinion. My opinion is not a fact and neither is yours. Can you tell me how they are different? I have explained how they are the same in great detail over the last months. I would appreciate some feedback.
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If you're not lying, and you really believe everything you are saying about Obama not being the best thing that has happened to American stoners in decades, then you are stupid. So which is it, stupid or dishonest? You are pretty much ignoring all the arguments that go against what you have to say and insisting that Obama and Rmoney have the same views on cannabis.

Ignoring facts to believe lies makes you a republican. Believing that there is only one brand of libertarian makes you a republican because Rawn Pawl is just another republican.

I get what you are saying, that you think the Holder memo was just pandering to get stoner votes, but judge a tree by it's fruit, look at what it did, look at the message it sent. We are closer than we have ever been to ending cannabis prohibition.
 
lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

Well-Known Member
You are copying material wrong. UB usually slips in that he is the best President on Medical marijuana, since medical marijuana hasn't existed previously. You need to learn to be more deceptive if you are going to argue for the right or left.

You are doing it wrong. bongsmilie
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
lifegoesonbrah said:
List of U.S Presidents more liberal on cannabis use compared to Obama:


George Washington (1789-1797) John Adams (1789-1797)
John Adams (1797-1801) Thomas Jefferson (1797-1801)
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) Aaron Burr (1801-1805)
George Clinton (1805-1809)
James Madison (1809-1817) George Clinton (1809-1812)
none (1812-1813)
Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814)
none (1814-1817)
James Monroe (1817-1825) Daniel D. Tompkins (1817-1825)
John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) John C. Calhoun (1825-1829)
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) John C. Calhoun (1829-1832)
none (1832-1833)
Martin Van Buren (1833-1837)
Martin Van Buren (1837-1841) Richard M. Johnson (1837-1841)
William Henry Harrison (1841) John Tyler (1841)
John Tyler (1841-1845) none (1841-1845)
James K. Polk (1845-1849) George M. Dallas (1845-1849)
Zachary Taylor (1849-1850) Millard Fillmore (1849-1850)
Millard Fillmore (1850-1853) none (1850-1853)
Franklin Pierce (1853-1857) William King (1853)
none (1853-1857)
James Buchanan (1857-1861) John C. Breckinridge (1857-1861)
Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865) Hannibal Hamlin (1861-1865)
Andrew Johnson (1865)
Andrew Johnson (1865-1869) none (1865-1869)
Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877) Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873)
Henry Wilson (1873-1875)
none (1875-1877)
Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881) William Wheeler (1877-1881)
James A. Garfield (1881) Chester Arthur (1881)
Chester Arthur (1881-1885) none (1881-1885)
Grover Cleveland (1885-1889) Thomas Hendricks (1885)
none (1885-1889)
Benjamin Harrison (1889-1893) Levi P. Morton (1889-1893)
Grover Cleveland (1893-1897) Adlai E. Stevenson (1893-1897)
William McKinley (1897-1901) Garret Hobart (1897-1899)
none (1899-1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909) none (1901-1905)
Charles Fairbanks (1905-1909)
William Howard Taft (1909-1913) James S. Sherman (1909-1912)
none (1912-1913)
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) Thomas R. Marshall (1913-1921)
Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) Calvin Coolidge (1921-1923)
Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929) none (1923-1925)
Charles Dawes (1925-1929)
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) Charles Curtis (1929-1933)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945) John Nance Garner (1933-1941)
Henry A. Wallace (1941-1945)
Harry S Truman (1945)
Harry S Truman (1945-1953) none (1945-1949)
Alben Barkley (1949-1953)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961) Richard Nixon (1953-1961)
John F. Kennedy (1961-1963) Lyndon B. Johnson (1961-1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969) none (1963-1965)
Hubert Humphrey (1965-1969)
Richard Nixon (1969-1974) Spiro Agnew (1969-1973)
none (1973)
Gerald Ford (1973-1974)
Gerald Ford (1974-1977) none (1974)
Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977)
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981) Walter Mondale (1977-1981)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) George Bush (1981-1989)
George Bush (1989-1993) Dan Quayle (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton (1993-2001) Al Gore (1993-2001)
George W. Bush (2001-2009) Dick Cheney (2001-2009)
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You're not even a good liar.
 
lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

Well-Known Member
abandonconflict said:
If you're not lying, and you really believe everything you are saying about Obama not being the best thing that has happened to American stoners in decades, then you are stupid. So which is it, stupid or dishonest? You are pretty much ignoring all the arguments that go against what you have to say and insisting that Obama and Rmoney have the same views on cannabis.

Ignoring facts to believe lies makes you a republican. Believing that there is only one brand of libertarian makes you a republican because Rawn Pawl is just another republican.

I get what you are saying, that you think the Holder memo was just pandering to get stoner votes, but judge a tree by it's fruit, look at what it did, look at the message it sent. We are closer than we have ever been to ending cannabis prohibition.
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So which Obama do you believe? The one that says marijuana is serious debate bizness or the one that says he is against even decriminalization?

Have fun waiting another four years for that serious marijuana debate. LOL.
 
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