romney on MMJ: "aren't there issues of significance you'd like to talk about?"

lifegoesonbrah

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The old liberal argument that everything dubbyas fault eh? Have you and Bucky been watching Michael Moore movies and making out at the end?
 
Fungus Gnat

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lifegoesonbrah said:
The old liberal argument that everything dubbyas fault eh? Have you and Bucky been watching Michael Moore movies and making out at the end?
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He's pointing out that it wasn't somehow better under a republican administration. That in many cases it was worse. The dispensary's that are still open are making lots of money.
 
UncleBuck

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lifegoesonbrah said:
Kinda like he said it should be debated 4 years ago. When is this debate supposed to occur exactly?

Vous êtes un idiot. bongsmilie
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maybe once people start debating it. the president has a lot of power, but he can't force people to say stuff.

i just knew you were deprave's retarded kid brother.
 
deprave

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Fungus Gnat said:
He's pointing out that it wasn't somehow better under a republican administration. That in many cases it was worse. The dispensary's that are still open are making lots of money.
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The problem with is that the two aren't related, State Marijuana laws have nothing to do with the federal government which has done nothing in this regard. They especially don't have anything to do with Republicans, Democrats, George Bush, Obama, Canda, Marc Emeroy, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, Romney, Chainey, WMD's, IRAQ or Chutes and Ladders Whatever...
I consider it to be off-topic spam, I was feeling a bit giddy so I threw in my own off topic questions, such as "Which Two countries dispute the island of europa"
 
abandonconflict

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How many dispensaries while Obama was reviving aggregate demand in our economy and fighting to end Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest?



We're out of Iraq, set to be out of A-stan and Osama is dead, let the man finish his work.
 
deprave

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how many federal marijuana laws have changed in the last 30 years? WHY ARE MORE PEOPLE BEING ARRESTED?

WHAT DOES OBAMA HAVE TO DO WITH MARIJUANA? NOTHING

WHAT DOES GEORGE BUSH HAVE TO DO WITH MARIJUANA? NOTHING

WHAT DOES BILL CLINTON HAVE TO DO WITH MARIJUANA? NOTHING

WHAT DOES MARLIN BRANDO HAVE TO DO WITH MARIJUANA? IDK
 
crazyhazey

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no president will single handedly legalize or decriminalize mj(regardless of political party, idc if its ron paul or obama), we all know its not in their power to do such a thing, it would immediately get denied by the rest of capitol hill and you all know this. its nobodys fault this shit wont happen, its sort of "branded" into our government since the drug war began, the only way to fix it is to educate everyone on the misinformation released about 50-60 years ago, you have to remember how many big corporations supported the prohibition of this plant as well as the government itself, any president who openly says hes gonna openly legalize it is gonna lose a lot of endorsement. do i agree with obama's current ideas towards mj? no. is he working towards cutting the funding that goes towards oppressing mj? yes, and by doing so hes slowly going towards decriminalization, just trying to play it safe and not lose as much approval. things arent gonna get better over night guys, obamas just laying down the foundation, future presidents will either build up towards it(i guarantee romney wont), or they will only tear it down.
 
UncleBuck

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deprave said:
how many federal marijuana laws have changed in the last 30 years? WHY ARE MORE PEOPLE BEING ARRESTED?

WHAT DOES OBAMA HAVE TO DO WITH MARIJUANA? NOTHING

WHAT DOES GEORGE BUSH HAVE TO DO WITH MARIJUANA? NOTHING

WHAT DOES BILL CLINTON HAVE TO DO WITH MARIJUANA? NOTHING

WHAT DOES MARLIN BRANDO HAVE TO DO WITH MARIJUANA? IDK
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it's because you touch yourself at night.
 
UncleBuck

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crazyhazey said:
no president will single handedly legalize or decriminalize mj(regardless of political party, idc if its ron paul or obama), we all know its not in their power to do such a thing, it would immediately get denied by the rest of capitol hill and you all know this. its nobodys fault this shit wont happen, its sort of "branded" into our government since the drug war began, the only way to fix it is to educate everyone on the misinformation released about 50-60 years ago, you have to remember how many big corporations supported the prohibition of this plant as well as the government itself, any president who openly says hes gonna openly legalize it is gonna lose a lot of endorsement. do i agree with obama's current ideas towards mj? no. is he working towards cutting the funding that goes towards oppressing mj? yes, and by doing so hes slowly going towards decriminalization, just trying to play it safe and not lose as much approval. things arent gonna get better over night guys, obamas just laying down the foundation, future presidents will either build up towards it(i guarantee romney wont), or they will only tear it down.
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kinda like he did with DADT to get that repealed.
 
deprave

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abandonconflict said:
I am still waiting for the anti-Obama mouth breathers to rebut. Come on, convince us how Obama is waging a drug war.




WHO HAS BEEN BUSTED EVEN IF THEY WERE STATE COMPLIANT?
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http://m.monroenews.com/news/2012/may/02/federal-conviction-shocks-marijuana-grower/


A Summerfield Township man convicted in federal court of distributing marijuana says he was compliant under state laws and was shocked by the verdict and is planning to appeal.Gerald Lee Duval Jr., 52, and his son, Jeremy, 30, face years in prison after their convictions on four felony charges in U.S. District Court. Mr. Duval told The Evening News that his case was the first of its kind because the family operation was legitimate under Michigan law.
The federal Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) was involved in the investigation, so the case was tried in federal court, which views marijuana as a schedule 1 controlled substance. There are no federal medicinal marijuana laws.
“This is a nightmare,” Mr. Duval said. “This is costing me everything I own. This is a complete nightmare.”
Mr. Duval says he has been targeted for years. He said he never was a distributor but his two adult children were legally licensed to sell marijuana to card-holders. His son, Jeremy, and daughter, Ashley, 27, were allowed to grow 72 plants each for their five patients. His daughter was never charged.
“I never distributed to anyone,” Mr. Duval said. “But I had a right to possess and grow 12 plants.”
Mr. Duval said two greenhouses on the family farm off Ida Center Rd. were compliant with state law. He said fences were installed around the greenhouses and the state-issued licenses were made visible.
“It was legal,” he said. “Michigan law says you can grow it, possess it and distribute it. We were 100 percent legal.”
However, a jury found the two guilty of conspiracy to manufacture more than 100 marijuana plants, manufacturing marijuana plants with intent to distribute and maintaining a place to distribute marijuana under federal law.
Rodel B. Babasa, special agent in charge at the DEA’s Toledo office, said the two had their day in court and were convicted by a jury.
“The record stands for itself,” Mr. Babasa said.
Mr. Duval, who is a convicted felon, faces 10 years in prison while his son could be sent away for five years, a possibility that he said was “scary.” Jeremy Duval’s attorney, Thomas Lavigne of Detroit, said he is appealing the verdicts and filing a motion to keep the men out of jail until the appeal is granted.
Mr. Lavigne, an expert on marijuana laws, said the case was the first of its kind because even when medicinal marijuana growers and suppliers are compliant with state law, they can be charged federally. The state had 200,000 card-carrying medicinal marijuana users and suppliers and anyone could be targeted, Mr. Lavigne said.
“It’s really one of those shell games,” he said. “That was the unique aspect of this case; they were convicted even though they were fully compliant under state law. We were shocked.”
Mr. Duval, who suffers from diabetes, said fighting the case has cost him the family farm and he has accrued $150,000 in attorney fees. He said he believed the operation was legal but he and his son now face prison because it was illegal under federal law.
“This is really a screwed-up law,” he said.
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deprave

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abandonconflict said:
bumped for lack of answers
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http://m.monroenews.com/news/2012/may/02/federal-conviction-shocks-marijuana-grower/


A Summerfield Township man convicted in federal court of distributing marijuana says he was compliant under state laws and was shocked by the verdict and is planning to appeal.Gerald Lee Duval Jr., 52, and his son, Jeremy, 30, face years in prison after their convictions on four felony charges in U.S. District Court. Mr. Duval told The Evening News that his case was the first of its kind because the family operation was legitimate under Michigan law.
The federal Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) was involved in the investigation, so the case was tried in federal court, which views marijuana as a schedule 1 controlled substance. There are no federal medicinal marijuana laws.
“This is a nightmare,” Mr. Duval said. “This is costing me everything I own. This is a complete nightmare.”
Mr. Duval says he has been targeted for years. He said he never was a distributor but his two adult children were legally licensed to sell marijuana to card-holders. His son, Jeremy, and daughter, Ashley, 27, were allowed to grow 72 plants each for their five patients. His daughter was never charged.
“I never distributed to anyone,” Mr. Duval said. “But I had a right to possess and grow 12 plants.”
Mr. Duval said two greenhouses on the family farm off Ida Center Rd. were compliant with state law. He said fences were installed around the greenhouses and the state-issued licenses were made visible.
“It was legal,” he said. “Michigan law says you can grow it, possess it and distribute it. We were 100 percent legal.”
However, a jury found the two guilty of conspiracy to manufacture more than 100 marijuana plants, manufacturing marijuana plants with intent to distribute and maintaining a place to distribute marijuana under federal law.
Rodel B. Babasa, special agent in charge at the DEA’s Toledo office, said the two had their day in court and were convicted by a jury.
“The record stands for itself,” Mr. Babasa said.
Mr. Duval, who is a convicted felon, faces 10 years in prison while his son could be sent away for five years, a possibility that he said was “scary.” Jeremy Duval’s attorney, Thomas Lavigne of Detroit, said he is appealing the verdicts and filing a motion to keep the men out of jail until the appeal is granted.
Mr. Lavigne, an expert on marijuana laws, said the case was the first of its kind because even when medicinal marijuana growers and suppliers are compliant with state law, they can be charged federally. The state had 200,000 card-carrying medicinal marijuana users and suppliers and anyone could be targeted, Mr. Lavigne said.
“It’s really one of those shell games,” he said. “That was the unique aspect of this case; they were convicted even though they were fully compliant under state law. We were shocked.”
Mr. Duval, who suffers from diabetes, said fighting the case has cost him the family farm and he has accrued $150,000 in attorney fees. He said he believed the operation was legal but he and his son now face prison because it was illegal under federal law.
“This is really a screwed-up law,” he said.
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deprave

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UncleBuck said:
attaboy deflection.

to answer your question, abandon, every example i've been provided of a dispensary or grower in compliance being raided has resulted in just plants being taken, no actual prosecution.

new quest for the douchebags that would hand it over to romney because obama didn't look them in the eyes often enough while sucking their dicks.
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Actually this is not true:


http://m.monroenews.com/news/2012/may/02/federal-conviction-shocks-marijuana-grower/


A Summerfield Township man convicted in federal court of distributing marijuana says he was compliant under state laws and was shocked by the verdict and is planning to appeal.Gerald Lee Duval Jr., 52, and his son, Jeremy, 30, face years in prison after their convictions on four felony charges in U.S. District Court. Mr. Duval told The Evening News that his case was the first of its kind because the family operation was legitimate under Michigan law.
The federal Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) was involved in the investigation, so the case was tried in federal court, which views marijuana as a schedule 1 controlled substance. There are no federal medicinal marijuana laws.
“This is a nightmare,” Mr. Duval said. “This is costing me everything I own. This is a complete nightmare.”
Mr. Duval says he has been targeted for years. He said he never was a distributor but his two adult children were legally licensed to sell marijuana to card-holders. His son, Jeremy, and daughter, Ashley, 27, were allowed to grow 72 plants each for their five patients. His daughter was never charged.
“I never distributed to anyone,” Mr. Duval said. “But I had a right to possess and grow 12 plants.”
Mr. Duval said two greenhouses on the family farm off Ida Center Rd. were compliant with state law. He said fences were installed around the greenhouses and the state-issued licenses were made visible.
“It was legal,” he said. “Michigan law says you can grow it, possess it and distribute it. We were 100 percent legal.”
However, a jury found the two guilty of conspiracy to manufacture more than 100 marijuana plants, manufacturing marijuana plants with intent to distribute and maintaining a place to distribute marijuana under federal law.
Rodel B. Babasa, special agent in charge at the DEA’s Toledo office, said the two had their day in court and were convicted by a jury.
“The record stands for itself,” Mr. Babasa said.
Mr. Duval, who is a convicted felon, faces 10 years in prison while his son could be sent away for five years, a possibility that he said was “scary.” Jeremy Duval’s attorney, Thomas Lavigne of Detroit, said he is appealing the verdicts and filing a motion to keep the men out of jail until the appeal is granted.
Mr. Lavigne, an expert on marijuana laws, said the case was the first of its kind because even when medicinal marijuana growers and suppliers are compliant with state law, they can be charged federally. The state had 200,000 card-carrying medicinal marijuana users and suppliers and anyone could be targeted, Mr. Lavigne said.
“It’s really one of those shell games,” he said. “That was the unique aspect of this case; they were convicted even though they were fully compliant under state law. We were shocked.”
Mr. Duval, who suffers from diabetes, said fighting the case has cost him the family farm and he has accrued $150,000 in attorney fees. He said he believed the operation was legal but he and his son now face prison because it was illegal under federal law.
“This is really a screwed-up law,” he said.
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