When do you get a soul??

missnu

missnu

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You guys really do find the strangest things to argue about...you can't change anyone's mind about their belief or religion..not without years of violence anyway...and what it the point? Sweet Jesu...
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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missnu said:
You guys really do find the strangest things to argue about...you can't change anyone's mind about their belief or religion..not without years of violence anyway...and what it the point? Sweet Jesu...
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We can now definitively say this isn't true, just look at Hep. He's our poster child ;)
 
Doer

Doer

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cannabineer said:
The thing about Heisenberg's Principle is that it sets a maximum dimension for the uncertainty that is approx. atomic in scale. The quantity h is tiny. Imo extending the Uncertainty Principle into the macroscopic does not work. There are too many metaphysicians out there today (imo) who hide behind an incomplete comprehension of uncertainty and quantum mechanics. cn
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Yes, an aweful lot of uncertainty would have to be aligned to created a repeatable, non-causal event in the macro world, for example. Or to throw a rock through a boulder. But, it's more than meta-woo that says it is certainly possible. In Many Worlds Hypothisis, there is nothing to suggest a strict timeline causal effect of event forks, as I understand it, meagerly. Though these decisions are said to create these other, many, worlds, there is nothing to say at what point that decision would be injected to make the new world. There is plenty to suggest non-causal effect at the forks. I would say that forking Worlds is a possible maco effect.

So, true, micro scale, but all existence is piles of these micro particles. That's all there is.
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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Padawanbater2 said:
What is prophecy?

Define it
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Prophecy is basically making a prediction thats guaranteed to come true. The way you described it sounds like a bunch of loonies in a cult. Example of a prophecy would be like I write down today that a specific event will happen usually during a specific time period or place, in a specific order of events. If it doesnt come true its not prophecy. Most people that "think" theyre prophets (i.e. Joseph Smith) are usually making stuff up and convincing themselves it is a message from god. The book of Revelations is a good example of prophecy that is coming true, proving itself to be a legitimate prophetic text.
 
Cut.Throat.

Cut.Throat.

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Kaendar said:
Prophecy is basically making a prediction thats guaranteed to come true. The way you described it sounds like a bunch of loonies in a cult. Example of a prophecy would be like I write down today that a specific event will happen usually during a specific time period or place, in a specific order of events. If it doesnt come true its not prophecy. Most people that "think" theyre prophets (i.e. Joseph Smith) are usually making stuff up and convincing themselves it is a message from god. The book of Revelations is a good example of prophecy that is coming true, proving itself to be a legitimate prophetic text.
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Someday our sun is going to explode. Guess I'm a prophet now.

Time to find a 9 year old to marry and maybe I'll start my own religion. Oh wait muporkmed beat me to it.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Doer said:
Yes, an aweful lot of uncertainty would have to be aligned to created a repeatable, non-causal event in the macro world, for example. Or to throw a rock through a boulder. But, it's more than meta-woo that says it is certainly possible. In Many Worlds Hypothisis, there is nothing to suggest a strict timeline causal effect of event forks, as I understand it, meagerly. Though these decisions are said to create these other, many, worlds, there is nothing to say at what point that decision would be injected to make the new world. There is plenty to suggest non-causal effect at the forks. I would say that forking Worlds is a possible maco effect.

So, true, micro scale, but all existence is piles of these micro particles. That's all there is.
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The probability of an electron tunneling into and out of a "quantum dot" is high enough to measure.
The probability of a rock tunneling through another rock is ten to the minus such an insanely huge number that it can not only be approximated - but stated - as zero.
And Many Worlds is exactly the sort of thing I mean when I refer to the new quantumspeak as metaphysics. So many stacked what-ifs. cn
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Moebius said:
I was referring to accusing me of intentionally posting a link and misrepresenting it because I didnt think it would be clicked.

IMO ... The constant nickpicking equates to trolling.
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Moebius, I've stripped your argument and found it a mite one-sided.
~pun too good to resist~ cn
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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mindphuk said:
Links?
The Temple Mount is and has been occupied by a Mosque for quite some time. They don't even allow archaeological excavations there let alone rebuild the Temple.
Links again.
Some tumors can spontaneously regress. How do you determine if that was god or a tumor that regressed naturally?
I have seen zero evidence that anyone that has been paralyzed getting up and walking without medical devices. It sounds like you have been taken in by faith healers and revivals where the placebo effect and outright fraud is used. Look up Peter Popoff. Every time people have investigated miraculous healing, the evidence has come up short. I have citations and literature to support this, do you have anything to support your claims?
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http://www.squidoo.com/templejerusalem

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1643.cfm

http://www.templeinstitute.org/main.htm

http://www.newgateministries.com/jerusalemchronicles/rebuilt-temple.html

http://endtimepilgrim.org/temple.htm

I could go on. And havent you heard of how the freemasons already rebuilt a walkway to the temple to kick off the construction? And as far as the miracles go, I have witnessed first hand a quadrapalegic walk.
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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cannabineer said:
I have not yet seen a video that withstands challenge. Video and digital photos are not reliable imo.
Actual scientists would use equipment that would meet the authenticity challenge. I don't mean "only official, accredited get to play" when I say scientists, but rather people who understand systematic error and how to contain it. That's one of my markers for science vs. parlor games. cn
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A simple google search turns up plenty of proof of the paranormal. Not to mention plenty of TV shows on mainstream networks like discovery, history, and natgeo.
 
BA142

BA142

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Kaendar said:
A simple google search turns up plenty of proof of the paranormal. Not to mention plenty of TV shows on mainstream networks like discovery, history, and natgeo.
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A simple google search also tells me that marijuana is a dangerous and physically addictive drug that will cause schizophrenia and mass hysteria
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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Kaendar said:
http://www.squidoo.com/templejerusalem

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1643.cfm

http://www.templeinstitute.org/main.htm

http://www.newgateministries.com/jerusalemchronicles/rebuilt-temple.html

http://endtimepilgrim.org/temple.htm

I could go on. And havent you heard of how the freemasons already rebuilt a walkway to the temple to kick off the construction? And as far as the miracles go, I have witnessed first hand a quadrapalegic walk.
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I have to give you a rep for actually providing links when requested. Most theists here have danced and dodged when they have made certain claims. The following point was something I was completely unaware. Thank you very much for providing those links
As we consider the rebuilding of the Temple there is one more important question that must be addressed. Just where on the Temple Mount will the future Jewish Temple be built? Will the foundations be laid right in the middle of the Temple Mount as many suppose? This would necessitate the removal or destruction of the Dome of the Rock. Of course this would be an earthshaking turn of events.
The Dome is a revered Islamic site.
Will the Dome of the Rock be destroyed?
And is its removal even necessary? Just where did the original temple stand? Was it really in the center as we see in the paintings? Or was it situated to the north of the present location of the Dome of the Rock? Some Jewish authorities on the subject, notably Asher Kaufmann are saying precisely this.
This is very interesting. It opens up the very real possibility that the Third Jewish Temple will be constructed on the north side of the Mount. The small cupola marked "A" is called "the dome of the Spirits". It is said to mark the point of the holy of holies in the former temple.
Could the Temple be rebuilt next to the Islamic Dome of the Rock? Could Israel's future Temple and its worshipers peacefully coexist with the Islamic Dome and their worshipers? This would be very politically favorable to world peace. If such a plan was acted upon then the Temple Mount would look something like what we see in the picture up above.

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mindphuk

mindphuk

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Kaendar said:
A simple google search turns up plenty of proof of the paranormal. Not to mention plenty of TV shows on mainstream networks like discovery, history, and natgeo.
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I've watched many of the mainstream TV shows and none, not a single one has every provided solid evidence for supernatural claims. In fact, many of the debunk the claims they investigate such as in the Paranormal Files.
 
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