Bushmaster WORKS, period !! Gravity Works great too ! Pictures inside !
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and flame me for this all you want, but this thread is littered with inaccuracies on every page. I am not going to join in because I want to learn not teach, but I would recommend anyone who feels strongly on this issue to do some research on something other than RIU. Both sides are exaggerating the hell out of the arguments.
Wolverine97
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Expound, please.
Clown Baby
Well-Known Member
They do work as stated.
But realize that they contain chemicals that are banned from use in agricultural products.
ie they are dangerous to consume. That's why the FDA has banned their use. They contain carcinogens
If youre growing pot for looks, then go ahead and use it.
But if youre going to consume your product, you might want to think twice.
But realize that they contain chemicals that are banned from use in agricultural products.
ie they are dangerous to consume. That's why the FDA has banned their use. They contain carcinogens
If youre growing pot for looks, then go ahead and use it.
But if youre going to consume your product, you might want to think twice.
I really just wanted to see what the difference in yield was, I don't have the post count/respect on this site to post this up because im sure I will get hated on, but here are the three studies I looked at. The first is the California EPA report from 1993 that set out the risk assessment profile and the second is a European Commission report on Paclobutrazol from 2011. The third is the “carcinogen report” from the EPA, 1987.
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/paclobut.pdf
http://ec.europa.eu/food/plant/protection/evaluation/existactive/list_paclobutrazol_rr.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0182.htm
(EPA report-93)
Despite stating, "Paclobutrazol is not intended to be used on food products," the reason it was banned was because of acute exposure during application, not residue left in the plant matter. Not only that, but for foliar feeding applications, I know of no one who foliar feeds BM.
"WORKER EXPOSURE
Surrogate data were used to estimate potential exposure via dermal contact, and inhalation of
mixer/loader/applicators spraying paclobutrazol on greenhouse plants. Exposure through the inhalation route was insignificant compared to potential dermal exposure. Greenhouse workers involved in tending the treated plants have potential occupational exposure through the dermal route.
CONCLUSIONS
Using laboratory animal toxicity data and surrogate worker exposure data, the calculated margins
of safety (MOSS) for potential acute exposure of mixer/loader/applicators and greenhouse workers are considered adequate. MOSS for potential chronic occupational exposure to paclobutrazol are also considered adequate."
(European Commission)
Ill just state the conclusion, this report was done using values found in plants grown with Pac, not acute exposure.
"The following reference values have been finalised as part of this re-evaluation:
ADI 0.022 mg/kg bw/day
ARfD 0.1 mg/kg bw
AOEL 0.1 mg/kg bw/day
With particular regard to residues, the review has established that the residues arising from the
proposed uses, consequent on application consistent with good plant protection practice, have no
harmful effects on human or animal health. The Theoretical Maximum Daily Intake (TMDI) is
lower than 0.03 % of the Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI), (calculated according to EFSA PRIMo
rev 2 model). Additional intake from water is not expected to give rise to intake problems.
Estimates of acute dietary exposure of adults and children revealed that the Acute Reference
Dose (ARfD) would not be exceeded (according to the UK consumption data <0.1% for UK
diets).
The review has identified several acceptable exposure scenarios for operators, workers and
bystanders, which require however to be confirmed for each plant protection product in
accordance with the relevant sections of the above mentioned uniform principles."
(EPA Report-87)
First look at the enormous amounts of Paclobutrazol fed to these poor rats to find the connection, then look at the conclusion.
“This substance/agent has not undergone a complete evaluation and determination under US EPA's IRIS program for evidence of human carcinogenic potential.”
Sorry for the long message, let me know what you think. I am no expert, I just looked this shit up instead of listening the ridiculous dickriding people do.
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/paclobut.pdf
http://ec.europa.eu/food/plant/protection/evaluation/existactive/list_paclobutrazol_rr.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0182.htm
(EPA report-93)
Despite stating, "Paclobutrazol is not intended to be used on food products," the reason it was banned was because of acute exposure during application, not residue left in the plant matter. Not only that, but for foliar feeding applications, I know of no one who foliar feeds BM.
"WORKER EXPOSURE
Surrogate data were used to estimate potential exposure via dermal contact, and inhalation of
mixer/loader/applicators spraying paclobutrazol on greenhouse plants. Exposure through the inhalation route was insignificant compared to potential dermal exposure. Greenhouse workers involved in tending the treated plants have potential occupational exposure through the dermal route.
CONCLUSIONS
Using laboratory animal toxicity data and surrogate worker exposure data, the calculated margins
of safety (MOSS) for potential acute exposure of mixer/loader/applicators and greenhouse workers are considered adequate. MOSS for potential chronic occupational exposure to paclobutrazol are also considered adequate."
(European Commission)
Ill just state the conclusion, this report was done using values found in plants grown with Pac, not acute exposure.
"The following reference values have been finalised as part of this re-evaluation:
ADI 0.022 mg/kg bw/day
ARfD 0.1 mg/kg bw
AOEL 0.1 mg/kg bw/day
With particular regard to residues, the review has established that the residues arising from the
proposed uses, consequent on application consistent with good plant protection practice, have no
harmful effects on human or animal health. The Theoretical Maximum Daily Intake (TMDI) is
lower than 0.03 % of the Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI), (calculated according to EFSA PRIMo
rev 2 model). Additional intake from water is not expected to give rise to intake problems.
Estimates of acute dietary exposure of adults and children revealed that the Acute Reference
Dose (ARfD) would not be exceeded (according to the UK consumption data <0.1% for UK
diets).
The review has identified several acceptable exposure scenarios for operators, workers and
bystanders, which require however to be confirmed for each plant protection product in
accordance with the relevant sections of the above mentioned uniform principles."
(EPA Report-87)
First look at the enormous amounts of Paclobutrazol fed to these poor rats to find the connection, then look at the conclusion.
“This substance/agent has not undergone a complete evaluation and determination under US EPA's IRIS program for evidence of human carcinogenic potential.”
Sorry for the long message, let me know what you think. I am no expert, I just looked this shit up instead of listening the ridiculous dickriding people do.
Wolverine97
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Thing is, cigarettes are something that is tough for you to expose someone to without them knowing about it. Cannabis, and medical cannabis in particular are a very different animal. It's plain unethical to grow meds for someone else, or an entire community without full disclosure regarding any potentially dangerous substances used.
I've used it in the past, but my conscience won't let me do it anymore. The bottom line is that if people grew properly, there would be no need for a product such as Bushmaster in the first place...
Wolverine97
Well-Known Member
Well, this thread has been dead for quite a while...
Sir.Ganga
New Member
Bushmaster works. I no longer use it, now I use Phosphorload, does the same to vertical growth. Any of these products were meant to be used ocassionally, not to be used throughout the cycle. Don't read the directions, do some research and learn how to really use these specialty products.
Flushing correctly is the key to removing any residues. Used correctly most products are safe. Everything is bad for you in one form or another.
And on the Uncle Buck topic...He knows basically SQWAT! Read his posts and threads...I don't need to say anymore!
Flushing correctly is the key to removing any residues. Used correctly most products are safe. Everything is bad for you in one form or another.
And on the Uncle Buck topic...He knows basically SQWAT! Read his posts and threads...I don't need to say anymore!
Uncle Ben
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I used a soil drench of Bonzi at a mere 2 ppm, and the effect is profound....too much so. What should be 8' tall plants are still 18", with NO internodes on growth after the drench. Also, plants are extremely dark green. A Bonzi thread with photos is over at Riddlem3.
Hey sir ganga, do you use phosphoload on the first day of 12/12 to stop the stretch? How much do you use? Ive tried half the recommended dosage on just the first week of feeding to stop it, but even half the recommended dosage i think its still too much
Sir.Ganga
New Member
Ill use it at any point in the first two weeks of flower. My P. Deisel get its right away in the first week but I have a strain big bang...It just seems to sit there for almost two weeks and bush before it gives a burst of vertical growth.
I think careful management of height in veg is the key to keeping under control.