We know 'Nothing' Really

[Shannon Alexander]

I don't think the "illuminati" exist in the sense we are all talking about, but i do think that the world is run by a small percentage of extremely wealthy people and it has been for an extremely long time. The wealth being passed down from generation to generation. They know it is easiest to get what they want when they control the population. Give people (slaves) just enough so they can barely get by, give them new gadgets, toys and tv's to keep them from realizing that the world could be different now. We have the technology for everyone to live with at least a little bit of comfort, but the rich don't want that. The rich need people to die so the world doesn't become over populated. They need obedient workers so they themselves do not have to work.

This group of elite extremely wealthy people may have a certain religion or philosophy on life that they fallow, but i would assume it would be more along the lines of nihilism than satanism. They probably all realize by now that were just a spec of dust on a rock that randomly evolved into being, and they want the easiest life for themselves and for their offspring. Keeping the wealth in the family blood line would be a normal thing to do in my humble opinion. Do i blame them? Fuck yea i do, greedy fucking bitches.

What the world needs right now is population control, alternate renewable resources, and do abolish religion as truth and label as fantasy so we can get on with the exploration of the universe. At the moment this rock is all we have to survive on... we might not want to continue to destroy it until we find another rock to set up camp on.

Regardless, there really isnt anything we can do about it. They have given their slaves comfort, tv's, video games, amusement parks. We are comfortable slaves, why would we want anything to change? No need to worry, as rich as these people are... i don't think they take into consideration just how shitty its going to be when their game plan fails, the monetary system fails. Or... maybe they have thought about that... who knows really.

Dude Hep i was pretty drunk last night, honestly i dont really remember a whole lot and i didnt finish it... but i think i found it interesting enough to watch today, ill let you know after im done. But i need to work on this hangover first, ugh!

Isn't that the Rothschild family..?

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

I think you just like being a confused individual. You like it when people say flat out crazy things. If you never mentioned conspiracies, I'd take you for a conspiracist still.
Why do you call him a genius but don't give credit to many "skeptics"?
It's because you like to ponder the unknown. Which is good I guess, but you don't go about doing so in a logical way.

Not sure if any of this made sense.. Maybe you'd like it that way though. IDK.

Are you saying your everyday skeptic should be considered a genius? Nobody on this site is making a difference in reality, no skeptic on this site is changing anything with their ideas, their just saying "science says your irrational reasoning is a fallacy blah blah blah". Of course you'd think "They have been taught to look outside themselves for answers" as a crazy statement because you are convinced nothing exists on the inside but flesh and bone. If any of these skeptics on this site were able to look past his spiritual talk they would probably learn something, the ones that dont learn anything are too ignorant to look past their own narrow view of reality.
Its a lot better to make your own reality then to be dependent on a certain type of information (science). I was an atheist once, no ones words convinced me of "god", just my own thoughts. I thought with all the beautiful and complex things in the universe, its ridiculous to think that it all came into existence by chance. Things like DNA make me skeptical that everything came into existence by chance. The founder of DNA said if it randomly came into existence, it would be the equivalent to the entire encyclopedia falling into place, letter by letter.
I trust myself, I trust what I think, I trust my conclusions, because I look inside of myself for answers. YOU on the other hand accepted two realities in your life, first christianity was explained to you, you accepted what they said to be true. Then atheists explained their version of reality to you, now you accept that. Do you ever think that if you werent taught to blindly follow something (christianity) that your process for reasoning would be different? That you would think for yourself and wouldnt have to of had things explained to you by many people for you to come to conclusions? Sure, I have listened to people that gave me ideas about how reality is like, but only because I first started to trust what I thought, trusting what I think put me on this path. So keep being a follower and looking outside yourself and asking others for answers, that gets you nowhere.

 

[high|hgih]

I think hephs a smart guy

Anyways I think it is ignorant to even choose atheism or christianity. They are not opposites. What about the other religions? They are all equivalent. None of them are right, yet they all are.. Who says there even is such a thing as 'right' answers? He's not a follower I know though. There is a certain level of experimentation. I deemed myself an atheist in 7th grade, then from then on I realized that I was wrong, and so is everyone else. That being said we are all right. Its simple. Too simple.

 

[afrawfraw]

Are you saying your everyday skeptic should be considered a genius? Nobody on this site is making a difference in reality, no skeptic on this site is changing anything with their ideas, their just saying "science says your irrational reasoning is a fallacy blah blah blah". Of course you'd think "They have been taught to look outside themselves for answers" as a crazy statement because you are convinced nothing exists on the inside but flesh and bone. If any of these skeptics on this site were able to look past his spiritual talk they would probably learn something, the ones that dont learn anything are too ignorant to look past their own narrow view of reality.
Its a lot better to make your own reality then to be dependent on a certain type of information (science). I was an atheist once, no ones words convinced me of "god", just my own thoughts. I thought with all the beautiful and complex things in the universe, its ridiculous to think that it all came into existence by chance. Things like DNA make me skeptical that everything came into existence by chance. The founder of DNA said if it randomly came into existence, it would be the equivalent to the entire encyclopedia falling into place, letter by letter.
I trust myself, I trust what I think, I trust my conclusions, because I look inside of myself for answers. YOU on the other hand accepted two realities in your life, first christianity was explained to you, you accepted what they said to be true. Then atheists explained their version of reality to you, now you accept that. Do you ever think that if you werent taught to blindly follow something (christianity) that your process for reasoning would be different? That you would think for yourself and wouldnt have to of had things explained to you by many people for you to come to conclusions? Sure, I have listened to people that gave me ideas about how reality is like, but only because I first started to trust what I thought, trusting what I think put me on this path. So keep being a follower and looking outside yourself and asking others for answers, that gets you nowhere.

"It's a lot better to make your own reality THAN to be dependent on a certain type of information. (Science)"
"I trust myself, I trust what I think, I trust my conclusions, because I look inside of myself for answers."

My two favorite parts. No comment.

 

[cannabineer]

 

[high|hgih]

^ Lol cant tell you how much that show cracks me up. They just had to get the most ate up dude to speak about ancient aliens

That show had way more potential

 

[Hepheastus420]

Are you saying your everyday skeptic should be considered a genius? Nobody on this site is making a difference in reality, no skeptic on this site is changing anything with their ideas, their just saying "science says your irrational reasoning is a fallacy blah blah blah". Of course you'd think "They have been taught to look outside themselves for answers" as a crazy statement because you are convinced nothing exists on the inside but flesh and bone. If any of these skeptics on this site were able to look past his spiritual talk they would probably learn something, the ones that dont learn anything are too ignorant to look past their own narrow view of reality.
Its a lot better to make your own reality then to be dependent on a certain type of information (science). I was an atheist once, no ones words convinced me of "god", just my own thoughts. I thought with all the beautiful and complex things in the universe, its ridiculous to think that it all came into existence by chance. Things like DNA make me skeptical that everything came into existence by chance. The founder of DNA said if it randomly came into existence, it would be the equivalent to the entire encyclopedia falling into place, letter by letter.
I trust myself, I trust what I think, I trust my conclusions, because I look inside of myself for answers. YOU on the other hand accepted two realities in your life, first christianity was explained to you, you accepted what they said to be true. Then atheists explained their version of reality to you, now you accept that. Do you ever think that if you werent taught to blindly follow something (christianity) that your process for reasoning would be different? That you would think for yourself and wouldnt have to of had things explained to you by many people for you to come to conclusions? Sure, I have listened to people that gave me ideas about how reality is like, but only because I first started to trust what I thought, trusting what I think put me on this path. So keep being a follower and looking outside yourself and asking others for answers, that gets you nowhere.

Nope, I'm wondering how you can call that dude that's talking about channelling gods a genius while you don't want to listen to people that tell the facts here.
You act like there's a whole "spiritual" world we don't understand as skeptics (you're a skeptic too btw. Do you believe in chrisianity? Islamic teachings? How about the buddha?). But I used to be "spiritual" and there's nothing there but your own imagination. Plenty of people here used to be religious but soon found out that they were just a little confused.
Nobody made me follow christianity, I started my religious journey alone. The atheists don't have their own reality. No, they aren't all the same. An atheist can believe there's no such thing as gravity. So I'm a little confused when you say "then atheists explained their version of reality to you, now you accept that".. Accept what? Atheists don't have a book to follow. They don't have a set path. They're free spirits lol.

Please explain how I'm a follower. Am I a follower in the sense that I believe in gravity because I can see it for myself? That's what I don't think you understand about science. It doesn't matter if you follow it or don't, it's always going to prove true through enough tests.

I used to be a follower when I followed christianity. But I stopped following and made my own path. So again, what exactly am I following? Sorry if you don't like to acknowledge facts but I do. So I guess you mean I'm a follower in the sense that I follow truth. And I'm sure you believe you're a leader right? IMO you're just a leader of nonsense.

 

[eye exaggerate]

^ but genius is a type, really, so ?

In this case, a type of person who is telesmatic. We know telesma (in a way) through radio devices. We know that if it happens in devices it happened in nature first for us to 'see' it. Why does it not apply to humans? We're 'of' nature, correct?

Intellect is not a factor of non-belief - all the time. In some cases, intellect is born of belief + knowledge. I'm sure they call that quantum mind, etc...

 

[Hepheastus420]

^ but genius is a type, really, so ?

In this case, a type of person who is telesmatic. We know telesma (in a way) through radio devices. We know that if it happens in devices it happened in nature first for us to 'see' it. Why does it not apply to humans? We're 'of' nature, correct?

Intellect is not a factor of non-belief - all the time. In some cases, intellect is born of belief + knowledge. I'm sure they call that quantum mind, etc...

Of course intellect isn't a factor of non-belief. Note how I said "an atheist can believe there's no such thing as gravity".

Gotta go do a little google research on telesma.

 

[cannabineer]

^ but genius is a type, really, so ?

In this case, a type of person who is telesmatic. We know telesma (in a way) through radio devices. We know that if it happens in devices it happened in nature first for us to 'see' it. Why does it not apply to humans? We're 'of' nature, correct?

Intellect is not a factor of non-belief - all the time. In some cases, intellect is born of belief + knowledge. I'm sure they call that quantum mind, etc...

I agree that intellect and belief do not correlate.

I don't agree that telesma, magic, is a good metaphor for radio. While I give a nod to Clarke's law (any sufficiently advanced technology will be billed by the month) there appears to be a barrier preventing the fruitful use of science to explain the (alleged) phenomenology of spirit. I think there is value in maintaining a compartment between mundane and magical. cn

 

[eye exaggerate]

I agree that intellect and belief do not correlate.

I don't agree that telesma, magic, is a good metaphor for radio. While I give a nod to Clarke's law (any sufficiently advanced technology will be billed by the month) there appears to be a barrier preventing the fruitful use of science to explain the (alleged) phenomenology of spirit. I think there is value in maintaining a compartment between mundane and magical. cn

...for the sake of time (only), I'm going to post this c 'n p:

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


This concept of "perfect" is also to be found in ancient philosophies.


My favorite is that attributed to Hermes - whether Hermes is an allegorical figure or historic matters little. One does not need to believe a man named "Hermes" actually existed to study the message.


Over time, I find that to separate the material from the spiritual is more and more difficult. Contemplating "LIGHT" from both the science and the spiritual/religious aspect gives me the idea that ALL is "light" and material is merely light that is more dense and has a lower frequency rate.


I've read of the quantum physics theory of NEUTRINOS. (Please note, the use of "THEORY" ). Briefly, in my own words, these are found to come from energy sources - mostly the sun - but, are also in radioactivity or nuclear decay. These pass through matter - from our own bodies to passing through the earth. It is thought that some of them that enter our bodies, stay there - as energy.


The Greek word for "perfect" is "telesma". It is connected in the "ancient mystery schools" to: "rite" ("teleoo" means "to bring to an end" and "to initiate into the mysteries" ), also found in the word "talisman", a physical object whose subtle vehicle (or etheric double) is a condensation of a spiritual state of consciousness. All these meanings are implied here in philosophy of Hermetics:


The superforce accomplishing the miracles of the One Entity, according to the laws of the operation of the Sun, brings everything to its natural end, i.e. towards its completion, i.e. its return to the One Entity.


Basic Hermetic philosophy:


"We are capable of finding divinity within ourselves and nourishing it by using Inner Fire -- this akashic matter, this cosmic electricity, which Hermes Trismegistus in his Emerald Tablet called telesma. By whatever name, it is always the same primordial force, 'the most powerful force of all forces' as Hermes Trismegistus calls it. This force comes from the sun, which is the distributor and inexhaustible source. One of the manifestations of this force is love -- love which makes the worlds move. Behind the light of the sun are many other forces, and telesma is a force so potent that, as the Emerald Tablet puts it, ‘it overcomes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid substance.' The initiate’s work is to channel this telesma and condense it within his cells until a transformation takes place.” Hermes said, in the Emerald Tablet, “It is the cause, this, of all perfection of all things throughout the universe. This will attain the highest perfection of powers.”


This "telesma" of Hermetics, and "perfection" spoken of by Jesus, as something we should have as a goal certainly sounds like it is related to the scientific theory of NEUTRINOS to me. (And, there are thought to be, "ANTI-NEUTRINOS" ).


BTW, The origin of the word Hermes relates to a stone pillar used to communicate with the deities and the use of names beginning with Herm in Greece dates from at least 600 BCE.


As a Greek god, an ancient mention is in the "Homeric Hymn to Hermes", dating to the seventh or sixth centuries BC and deals with his birth and early exploits.


Thus, the antiquity of the roots of Hermetics (back to Hermes/Thoth) are evident.


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...I'll go grab a link to the source of this when I'm back here. Interesting stuff either way

 

[cannabineer]

Thanks for that, eye. I will need to give it a proper reading after lunch. I was going on a cheap first-pass judgment after reading the dictionary def. of "telesmatic" and noticing the similarity to "talisman" ... which you covered.
My favorite Mystery School was Eleusis. cn

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

Nope, I'm wondering how you can call that dude that's talking about channelling gods a genius while you don't want to listen to people that tell the facts here.
You act like there's a whole "spiritual" world we don't understand as skeptics (you're a skeptic too btw. Do you believe in chrisianity? Islamic teachings? How about the buddha?). But I used to be "spiritual" and there's nothing there but your own imagination. Plenty of people here used to be religious but soon found out that they were just a little confused.
Nobody made me follow christianity, I started my religious journey alone. The atheists don't have their own reality. No, they aren't all the same. An atheist can believe there's no such thing as gravity. So I'm a little confused when you say "then atheists explained their version of reality to you, now you accept that".. Accept what? Atheists don't have a book to follow. They don't have a set path. They're free spirits lol.

Please explain how I'm a follower. Am I a follower in the sense that I believe in gravity because I can see it for myself? That's what I don't think you understand about science. It doesn't matter if you follow it or don't, it's always going to prove true through enough tests.

I used to be a follower when I followed christianity. But I stopped following and made my own path. So again, what exactly am I following? Sorry if you don't like to acknowledge facts but I do. So I guess you mean I'm a follower in the sense that I follow truth. And I'm sure you believe you're a leader right? IMO you're just a leader of nonsense.

Once again, you have no idea what Im talking about when I try to make a point to you. If this discussion keeps on going its just gunna be like the 2012 discussion where you ask pointless questions that have nothing to do with the main idea... Keep looking for answers outside yourself man.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Are you saying your everyday skeptic should be considered a genius?

Nobody said all skeptics were geniuses, but interestingly enough, all geniuses are skeptics.

Nobody on this site is making a difference in reality, no skeptic on this site is changing anything with their ideas

Each skeptic on this site is making a difference within themselves.

Its a lot better to make your own reality then to be dependent on a certain type of information (science).

[paraphrasing] "...maybe we should quit calling it "science" and start calling it reality".

-Neil D. Tyson

I was an atheist once, no ones words convinced me of "god", just my own thoughts. I thought with all the beautiful and complex things in the universe, its ridiculous to think that it all came into existence by chance. Things like DNA make me skeptical that everything came into existence by chance.

This explains a lot. You don't understand what atheism is, or the rigorous process it is to get there.

If you took the time to learn and understand the actual history of the universe with an honest mindset you wouldn't think DNA came into existence 'by chance'.

The logical fallacy you display here is well studied, take a look at this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

"I don't know how _________ happened, so God must have done it"

The founder of DNA said if it randomly came into existence, it would be the equivalent to the entire encyclopedia falling into place, letter by letter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle's_fallacy

I trust myself, I trust what I think, I trust my conclusions, because I look inside of myself for answers.

​Even when shown on multiple occasions how and why we can't rely solely on our senses to discern reality. Astounding.

YOU on the other hand accepted two realities in your life, first christianity was explained to you, you accepted what they said to be true. Then atheists explained their version of reality to you, now you accept that.

I accepted Christianity because my family is Christian and I was too young to understand the other options available, and too young to comprehend the concepts involved. There is no 'atheist version of reality', there just is reality. On the other hand, theists tend to reject reality in favor of myth and superstition.

As mentioned before, reaching atheism is a rigorous process involving quite a bit of time pondering complicated concepts.

Do you ever think that if you werent taught to blindly follow something (christianity) that your process for reasoning would be different? That you would think for yourself and wouldnt have to of had things explained to you by many people for you to come to conclusions? Sure, I have listened to people that gave me ideas about how reality is like, but only because I first started to trust what I thought, trusting what I think put me on this path. So keep being a follower and looking outside yourself and asking others for answers, that gets you nowhere.

How do you think you learned to read, write, do math, drive, shit? You just figured that out all on your own eh?

The process of attaining knowledge, something you've probably never experienced if you could possibly butcher it that bad, relies heavily on people passing information down the line of time. Even religions rely on people passing the information down.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

Nobody said all skeptics were geniuses, but interestingly enough, all geniuses are skeptics.



Each skeptic on this site is making a difference within themselves.



[paraphrasing] "...maybe we should quit calling it "science" and start calling it reality".

-Neil D. Tyson



This explains a lot. You don't understand what atheism is, or the rigorous process it is to get there.

If you took the time to learn and understand the actual history of the universe with an honest mindset you wouldn't think DNA came into existence 'by chance'.

The logical fallacy you display here is well studied, take a look at this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

"I don't know how _________ happened, so God must have done it"



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle's_fallacy



​Even when shown on multiple occasions how and why we can't rely solely on our senses to discern reality. Astounding.



I accepted Christianity because my family is Christian and I was too young to understand the other options available, and too young to comprehend the concepts involved. There is no 'atheist version of reality', there just is reality. On the other hand, theists tend to reject reality in favor of myth and superstition.

As mentioned before, reaching atheism is a rigorous process involving quite a bit of time pondering complicated concepts.



How do you think you learned to read, write, do math, drive, shit? You just figured that out all on your own eh?

The process of attaining knowledge, something you've probably never experienced if you could possibly butcher it that bad, relies heavily on people passing information down the line of time. Even religions rely on people passing the information down.

Why do you even try Pad? Our opinions on each other are made up, yet you continue with these blow hard responses. I think you are an antisocial angry child who cant even spend three days with another human being without getting sick of them, and your a die hard atheist whos a SPIRITUALITY MODERATOR <-- that alone says a whole lot about your character. And you think Im a gullible ignorant idiot that knows nothing about reality. Neither of us is going to change anything with our words. No theist gains anything from what you arrogant know-it-alls have to say, and vise versa. If you listened to the guy in this video then you would probably learn something from a theist. You might realize how stupid and childish your motives are when pointlessly taking part in spiritual discussions. Try and expose me all you want but when its all said and done your still the militant atheist thats a spirituality mod, what a sad way to spend your time.

 

[afrawfraw]

Why do you even try Pad? Our opinions on each other are made up, yet you continue with these blow hard responses. I think you are an antisocial angry child who cant even spend three days with another human being without getting sick of them, and your a die hard atheist whos a SPIRITUALITY MODERATOR <-- that alone says a whole lot about your character. And you think Im a gullible ignorant idiot that knows nothing about reality. Neither of us is going to change anything with our words. No theist gains anything from what you arrogant know-it-alls have to say, and vise versa. If you listened to the guy in this video then you would probably learn something from a theist. You might realize how stupid and childish your motives are when pointlessly taking part in spiritual discussions. Try and expose me all you want but when its all said and done your still the militant atheist thats a spirituality mod, what a sad way to spend your time.

"You arrogant know-it-alls"
"What is it with you people?"
[youtube]IhmKxa_FMkU[/youtube]
0:35 for the cue.

 

[afrawfraw]

Why do you even try Pad? Our opinions on each other are made up, yet you continue with these blow hard responses. I think you are an antisocial angry child who cant even spend three days with another human being without getting sick of them, and your a die hard atheist whos a SPIRITUALITY MODERATOR <-- that alone says a whole lot about your character. And you think Im a gullible ignorant idiot that knows nothing about reality. Neither of us is going to change anything with our words. No theist gains anything from what you arrogant know-it-alls have to say, and vise versa. If you listened to the guy in this video then you would probably learn something from a theist. You might realize how stupid and childish your motives are when pointlessly taking part in spiritual discussions. Try and expose me all you want but when its all said and done your still the militant atheist thats a spirituality mod, what a sad way to spend your time.

Sir, CALM DOWN!

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

Sir, CALM DOWN!

I'll be glad to play the role of Adam Sandler in this situation lol.

 

[afrawfraw]

I'll be glad to play the role of Adam Sandler in this situation lol.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!

 

[Padawanbater2]

Why do you even try Pad? Our opinions on each other are made up, yet you continue with these blow hard responses. I think you are an antisocial angry child who cant even spend three days with another human being without getting sick of them, and your a die hard atheist whos a SPIRITUALITY MODERATOR <-- that alone says a whole lot about your character. And you think Im a gullible ignorant idiot that knows nothing about reality. Neither of us is going to change anything with our words. No theist gains anything from what you arrogant know-it-alls have to say, and vise versa. If you listened to the guy in this video then you would probably learn something from a theist. You might realize how stupid and childish your motives are when pointlessly taking part in spiritual discussions. Try and expose me all you want but when its all said and done your still the militant atheist thats a spirituality mod, what a sad way to spend your time.

Blatant stupidity doesn't fly in my section. You should be happy I didn't point out all the other errors in that post.

A lot of theists gain knowledge from quite a few atheists who post here, you're just too dumb to realize it, and instead of learning something yourself, you bitch and complain every time someone points out the obvious flaws in your logic. A clear indication of the level of conviction you have in your own beliefs.

Just because you close your mind to the opportunity to learn something doesn't mean the rest of us have.

I spend my time swimming in the ocean of knowledge, you spend your time treading water in the kiddy pool of ignorance.

You're not even on the same level as the rest of us, kid.