canndo
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It's a cow joke.
antartic ice cap not melting after all
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It's a cow joke.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I was thinking along the same lines. With the slight change in my diet i should be eligible for my Premier Contributor pin, up from Dutch Oven Society. cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Because radiation is (cue theremin!) scaaaaary. It has been demonized beyond reason, even while its severe effects are understandably awful. But the psychology is skewed; much radiation is a known horror, but it doesn't scale. The culture of treating radiation as the rampaging Devil is solidly in place however. We can blame the Cold War and people's memory of living every day only 40 minutes away from being a stain on the sidewalk for that. cn
It is actually domonstrabe proof that you have a thought process which is flawed. You keep telling us that the radiation is in such low levels all one would have to do to mitigate its effects is do some deep knee bends and run a few feet.
Its been well proven that the Japanese government has conspired to keep things happening at Fukushima covered up. Like a typical liberal nothing is important until you see it on your favorite TV station. Because no liberal talking head is pounding on the table talking about this huge disaster, you ignore it, marginalize it and try to play it off as not important. They wouldn't evacuate if there wasn't danger. The ANNUAL safe dose for workers happens in 20 SECONDS near the site. Some levels register 10,000 MS/hr which is 1000 times higher than the lifetime allowable limit. With that kind of radiation you will get sick within minutes and die a few hours later.
It has been confirmed that all sources of radiation can cause cancer.
In terms of long-term health effects, it’s generally acceptable to make a worst-case estimate by multiplying the dose by hours in the day and days in the year. Doing so yields a rate of roughly 1500 mSv/yr at the station 30 km away and 100 mSv/yr 60 km away in Fukushima City. An exposure rate of 100 mSv/yr is considered the threshold at which cancer rates begin to increase, and 1500 mSv/yr is certainly dangerous. 30KM away from Fukushima is DANGEROUS!!
ginjawarrior
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edit: i cant copy and paste but that chart will give you info on how much radiation we're talking about
Excellent source, it confirms that the MAXIMUM safe dose for an entire fucking year is 50 Msv/year, of which 30 KM away from fuku it is at 30 times that level. But don't worry, jog around the block a couple of times and you will have reduced that radiation to negligible levels right?
edit: i cant copy and paste but that chart will give you info on how much radiation we're talking about
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Is it still so? And 30 km in which direction? A plume extended NW, but NE and SW at 30 km looks low even on the worst post-event maps. And I cannot find an intensity map that is current, which should be orders of magnitude lower than post-event. Radiation dies back pretty quickly. cn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18181224
BadDog40
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Yes, radiation sickness is just some made up bullshit to scare us into .......what? Making Al Gore money? Now I know why the right is against health care, their afraid a shrink will realize just how fucked up they are.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/13/world/asia/japan-radiation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/world/asia/22japan.html
The government was apparently forced to alter its plans after the survey by the Ministry of Science and Education, released over the weekend, which showed even higher than expected radiation levels within the 12-mile evacuation zone around the plant. The most heavily contaminated spot was in the town of Okuma about two miles southwest of the plant, where someone living for a year would be exposed to 508.1 millisieverts of radiation — far above the level of 20 millesieverts per year that the government considers safe.
http://www.rt.com/news/radiation-japan-water-fukushima/
http://www.fukushimafuture.com/fukushima-high-levels-of-radioactivity-in-the-evacuated-municipalities/
Nothing to worry about here people, only 30-50 times the limit, do a few mins of exercise and it will all be good.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/world/asia/22japan.html
The government was apparently forced to alter its plans after the survey by the Ministry of Science and Education, released over the weekend, which showed even higher than expected radiation levels within the 12-mile evacuation zone around the plant. The most heavily contaminated spot was in the town of Okuma about two miles southwest of the plant, where someone living for a year would be exposed to 508.1 millisieverts of radiation — far above the level of 20 millesieverts per year that the government considers safe.
http://www.rt.com/news/radiation-japan-water-fukushima/
http://www.fukushimafuture.com/fukushima-high-levels-of-radioactivity-in-the-evacuated-municipalities/
Nothing to worry about here people, only 30-50 times the limit, do a few mins of exercise and it will all be good.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That wasn't my point. Radiation sickness is real as death&taxes. However radiation alarmism is also real. The balance lies between imo. cn
"the report used conservative assumptions"
BadDog40
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And what qualifies you to make such a conclusion? Are you a nuclear expert or did you learn this from afternoon talk radio with Glenn Beck?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
But if you read the articles - one is datestamped post-event, and the other uses 6-7- month-old data to show that the hot town also had some very cool areas, about 5 milliSieverts. The radiation is quite patchy. I'm not saying the situation is to be ignored, but i see too much exaggeration and alarmism imo. cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I don't listen to political radio of any stripe. And while i am not a nuclear professional, I am an interested amateur. Argue less ad hominem and more ad rem, is my advice. cn
Do they have the nuclear facilities cleaned up yet or are they still doing everything they can to keep a really bad situation from getting much much worse?
Having the Energy Department control radiation health research makes as much sense as giving tobacco companies the authority to see if smoking is bad for you.
ginjawarrior
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quote the begining of that sentance you know the bit saying "to avoid any underestimation of radiation levels the report used conservative assumptions"
ginjawarrior
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will be a long time before site is cleared but plant is powered down with no risk of meltdown
Kind of hard to have a second meltdown at the same site. Kind of like its really hard to successfully commit suicide...twice.
i.e. It already melted down.
"Reactor 4 has remained in a dangerous condition and any small earthquake could quickly destroy the structure, distributing fuel from roughly 1,500 unused fuel rods into the Earth’s environment. With Reactor 4 still filled with the maximum concentrations of radioactive MOX and other fuels, its potential collapse could be far more apocalyptic than any prior disaster resulting from past earthquakes and tsunamis."
ginjawarrior
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While "no risk" wasn't the right thing to say "no credible risk" probably is
http://ansnuclearcafe.org/2012/05/16/spent-fuel-at-fukushima-not-dangerous/
What your article is is a good example of scaremongering
1300 spent rods with 200 unspent turns into
"1,500 unused fuel rods into the Earths environment. With Reactor 4 still filled with the maximum concentrations of radioactive MOX and other fuels"