Capital Punishment

Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Kaendar said:
Your talking about communism.. theres a difference. France is pretty much a socialized country they dont seem to have many issues.
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so cuba china and the soviet union are communist now?

i thought you had das kapital and the communist manifesto in your library!

perhaps now would be a good time to actually read them.

protip: every one of those examples is an example of a socialist system.

also socialist:
cambodia under the khmer rouge
italy under fascism
germany under nazism
north korea under the kim dynasty
iran under the mullahs
iraq under saddam hussein
spain under franco
vietnam
germany under the GDR

see claiming that democratic socialist states are the real socialism is exactly the opposite of marx and engles' ideals. democratic socialism is viewed by educated socialists as an attempt by the bourgeois to undermine the radicalized proletariat, thus democratic socialism is fundamentally counter-revolutionary.

a real socialist would know this. fuck im a capitalist and i know this, whats your malfunction?
 
canndo

canndo

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Dr Kynes said:
irrelevant, non-sequitor, and unrelated to the subject at hand (needed all three because it was so over the top)

Americans can't see the eiffel tower in kansas either! we should build it here in the USA so they dont have to go to france to get their tourism on!

any more illogical defenses of socialism's magical beauty to share?
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Very well, but it was you that defined one system as "better" than another by how many people left where they were to go be a part of that system, in reality your lists is proof of nothing at all except that those folks might like the hamburgers we serve here or the feeways.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I for one would travel to Kansas to see the Awffel Tower. I will draw the line at croissants made with corn. cn
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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canndo said:
Very well, but it was you that defined one system as "better" than another by how many people left where they were to go be a part of that system, in reality your lists is proof of nothing at all except that those folks might like the hamburgers we serve here or the feeways.
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no, marx and engles made the judgements. their judgements were bullshit, but heres how they break it down in descending order of goodnness

capitalism
anarchy
socialism
communism

for nearly 120 years the followers of marx and engles have tried tyo create their perfect system, and every time they rise above a small community level it fails. communes, kibbutzes and other small communal groups can do well, but once they include a population larger than personal relationships can support, to provide mutual benefit (some sociologists estimate the maximum size as ~150 persons) the entire system breaks down and the commune either disbands or re-forms with only the most dedicated members. basically communism is harmless, voluntary and usefulo among small groups with common goals and desires(agricultural communities or small tribal groups) but it cannot provide for the needs of a larger group.

socilialsims brings the violence and control of the sate to the communist dream, and turns the harmless hippy commune into an armed slave labour camp. in a socialist system the politburo apparatchiks and supreme soviet become the new bourgeois. the power, violence and corruption of the socialist middle ground never leads to true communism, and those in power hold on tight, pass it to their kids or chosen successors, and the entire system becomes indistinguishable from a monarchy if your on the bottom working on a collective farm. study case: North Korea, Cuba, Turkmenistan.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Dr Kynes said:
no, marx and engles made the judgements. their judgements were bullshit, but heres how they break it down in descending order of goodnness

capitalism
anarchy
socialism
communism

for nearly 120 years the followers of marx and engles have tried tyo create their perfect system, and every time they rise above a small community level it fails. communes, kibbutzes and other small communal groups can do well, but once they include a population larger than personal relationships can support, to provide mutual benefit (some sociologists estimate the maximum size as ~150 persons) the entire system breaks down and the commune either disbands or re-forms with only the most dedicated members. basically communism is harmless, voluntary and usefulo among small groups with common goals and desires(agricultural communities or small tribal groups) but it cannot provide for the needs of a larger group.

socilialsims brings the violence and control of the sate to the communist dream, and turns the harmless hippy commune into an armed slave labour camp. in a socialist system the politburo apparatchiks and supreme soviet become the new bourgeois. the power, violence and corruption of the socialist middle ground never leads to true communism, and those in power hold on tight, pass it to their kids or chosen successors, and the entire system becomes indistinguishable from a monarchy if your on the bottom working on a collective farm. study case: North Korea, Cuba, Turkmenistan.
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The funny part is, out of that whole rant, the only fact I gleaned, is that you have never read Marx, aside from possibly misquotes of Manifesto in cold war propaganda, most of it from people who just wanted to do away with New Deal prosperity.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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abandonconflict said:
The funny part is, out of that whole rant, the only fact I gleaned, is that you have never read Marx, aside from possibly misquotes of Manifesto in cold war propaganda, most of it from people who just wanted to do away with New Deal prosperity.
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ORLY?

so youre saying marx didnt aspire to the workers paradise of communism, never realized that the luimpen-proletariat and petty bourgeois would never accept his genius, and he never envisioned a middle step where the state controls of the means of production, and mandatory communist education could ease the transition to the ultimate goal of a world with no borders, tribes, clans, capital, ownership or any other economic forces save the needs of the collective?

you assert that marx didnt envision a world with the purity and one-ness of purpose you find in a bee hive or ant colony? wow, you must have read the readers digest condensed manifesto.

marx and engles created ideals and marketing for the fantasyland that stalin, mao, mussolini, hitler, kim, pol pot, khomenni, castro and chavez used to seize power, then they simply threw away the old blueprint for communism and declared "meh, good enough!" and rode on the backs of the workers they claimed to be defending against the dictatorship of opportunity, and the tyranny of freedom to fail.

your argument shows YOUR ignorance of marx and engles, and instead reveals that you only read lennon and mcarthy.

nice try bro. learn you some book and try again.
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

Well-Known Member
Dr Kynes said:
so cuba china and the soviet union are communist now?

i thought you had das kapital and the communist manifesto in your library!

perhaps now would be a good time to actually read them.

protip: every one of those examples is an example of a socialist system.

also socialist:
cambodia under the khmer rouge
italy under fascism
germany under nazism
north korea under the kim dynasty
iran under the mullahs
iraq under saddam hussein
spain under franco
vietnam
germany under the GDR

see claiming that democratic socialist states are the real socialism is exactly the opposite of marx and engles' ideals. democratic socialism is viewed by educated socialists as an attempt by the bourgeois to undermine the radicalized proletariat, thus democratic socialism is fundamentally counter-revolutionary.

a real socialist would know this. fuck im a capitalist and i know this, whats your malfunction?
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Yes they all are communists now.. I dont understand how you could have missed the 3 biggest communist countries of all time.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Corso312 said:
The dirty hillbilly in new mexico killed anywhere from 30-80 women...he does not deserve to live on tax payers dime...can you cite the case when someone was killed for marijuana by the federal gov? why not kill him? because he is incarcerated and I am not.
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This guy was a decorated ex-marine who was killed because the government wanted imaginary marijuana and he was executed trying to project himself.

But he's just a filthy Mexican, so who cares. Maybe he's a Peruvian. I don't know nor care, they all look the same, huh Corso?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3A1HGCorrs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Kaendar said:
Yes they all are communists now.. I dont understand how you could have missed the 3 biggest communist countries of all time.
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ORLY? Double ORLY!?!?

see there are real differences between communist societies and socialist societies.

a few examples of communism where there is no ownership of property and all things belong to nobody:

hippy communes
Israeli kibbutzes
flops and squats in the netherlands
your dope stash when the state troopers search the car.

some examples of things that TALK about communism but are really not:

your college co-op apartment
food dope and booze at a grateful dead show
a dingdong wearing a che gueverra t-shirt
the asshole who sells poorly mimeographed copies of the communist manifesto outside an occupy rally
the occupy rallies
your dope stash when your friends are dry


some examples of things morons who dont know shit about marxism think is communism when it's actually socialism:

seizing control of the means of production
nationalizing other people's property
using armed force to keep the people prisoners in their own country
controlling the press to ensure that all your news parrots the party line
the union of soviet socialist republics
"comnmunist" china of the PRMC
cuba (castro sold a capitalist democracy revolution in the usa with the help of lies in the new york times, and a communist revolution in cuba, but in castro's leadership, only che gueverra was an actual communist, thats why castro had him killed in bolivia, look it up.)

You should be horribly embarrassed that I, a capitalist running dog Lumpen-Proletarian, should know more about Marxism than you do. I weep for the future of scientific communist thought!
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

Well-Known Member
Dr Kynes said:
ORLY? Double ORLY!?!?

see there are real differences between communist societies and socialist societies.

a few examples of communism where there is no ownership of property and all things belong to nobody:

hippy communes
Israeli kibbutzes
flops and squats in the netherlands
your dope stash when the state troopers search the car.

some examples of things that TALK about communism but are really not:

your college co-op apartment
food dope and booze at a grateful dead show
a dingdong wearing a che gueverra t-shirt
the asshole who sells poorly mimeographed copies of the communist manifesto outside an occupy rally
the occupy rallies
your dope stash when your friends are dry


some examples of things morons who dont know shit about marxism think is communism when it's actually socialism:

seizing control of the means of production
nationalizing other people's property
using armed force to keep the people prisoners in their own country
controlling the press to ensure that all your news parrots the party line
the union of soviet socialist republics
"comnmunist" china of the PRMC
cuba (castro sold a capitalist democracy revolution in the usa with the help of lies in the new york times, and a communist revolution in cuba, but in castro's leadership, only che gueverra was an actual communist, thats why castro had him killed in bolivia, look it up.)

You should be horribly embarrassed that I, a capitalist running dog Lumpen-Proletarian, should know more about Marxism than you do. I weep for the future of scientific communist thought!
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Youve gotta be kidding me.. dont you realize that communism is the extreme form of socialism. Its like how the plutocracy we are in now is the extreme form of capitalism..
 
deprave

deprave

New Member
Kaendar said:
What do you think about it? Should we live by an eye for an eye law system? I personally think it is not mans place to judge another mans life, unless it is to immediately protect his or his families life. A life in prison is more than enough punishment IMO, I would rather die than spend all that prison time. Execution is too easy..
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I am opposed any state so I believe that answers your question.
 
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angelsbandit

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Tookie Williams was a good example of a man that was executed because of a false conviction. Plus, I believe criminals should re rehabilitated instead of punished. In Isreal they have a great prison system.[/QUOTE]

Bullshit - he was a straight piece of shit thug - dead is is the only place he belonged.
 
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