Why bash Islam?

[Kaendar]

Lets say you're black and your friend is black. Y'all have been friends for a while and he has taught you many good things. Then one day, you go over to his house and you find him killing a white dude in his backyard . You say "dude, what the fuck are you doing". He says "I hate white people". What do you do at that moment?

The Quran is the same way. Sure it tells you some good things (assuming), but after all the good things, it commands you to kill. The killing part just screws the whole book over.

Your opinions on the Quran are meaningless to me until youve read it. Thats the only way you can make a logical and informed opinion on it.

 

[Cut.Throat.]

Your opinions on the Quran are meaningless to me until youve read it. Thats the only way you can make a logical and informed opinion on it.

Your opinions on god are meaningless to me until you've died and met him. That's the only way you can make a logical and informed opinion on it.

Time for bed. G'night.

 

[Metasynth]

I've been studying religion for almost 7 years. Why do we have differing opinions on how dangerous Islam is? One of us must be wrong..

Just to be clear, you're saying Islam is not dangerous, right? It's "peaceful"?

Can you demonstrate how it's peaceful? I believe you also claimed Islam is "tolerant", can you demonstrate that, too?

Have you read the Quran and other Islamic texts? Do you have any muslim spiritual guides? Have you ever prayed at a mosque?

Can you please address this with answers and examples, instead of questions, Kaendar?

 

[shrxhky420]

You know all of this might be irrelevant if the Higgs Boson actaully exist... http://news.yahoo.com/higgs-boson-physicists-see-best-proof-yet-god-155311961--abc-news-tech.html

stay high

 

[Hepheastus420]

Your opinions on the Quran are meaningless to me until youve read it. Thats the only way you can make a logical and informed opinion on it.

Those are my opinions on the parts of the Quran that I read..

You're right though, I can't gain a full perspective of the Quran until I've read it.

I can make a logical opinion on it already though.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Have you read the Quran and other Islamic texts? Do you have any muslim spiritual guides? Have you ever prayed at a mosque?

Answer my questions first. Whether I've read the entire Quran or not, you will find something to pick at regarding credibility as you already have with other people.

Which is interesting because whether I've read a page or an entire original copy in the correct language, you still have yet to demonstrate how Islam is a "peaceful" and "tolerant" religion. My level of knowledge of it is irrelevant.

So can you, or are you just going to keep dodging the question?

 

[Metasynth]

He's busy arguing with me about the legal/finnancial consequences of crushing a kids finger in an animal trap trespassing on your property. He TRIED to argue that you could just shoot the kid(15 years old), but he changed his tune on that one REEEEAAAL quick.

 

[Kaendar]

Answer my questions first. Whether I've read the entire Quran or not, you will find something to pick at regarding credibility as you already have with other people.

Which is interesting because whether I've read a page or an entire original copy in the correct language, you still have yet to demonstrate how Islam is a "peaceful" and "tolerant" religion. My level of knowledge of it is irrelevant.

So can you, or are you just going to keep dodging the question?

2:256 “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.”


16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.

4:79, 80 (Say to everyone of them,) 'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

11:28 (Noah to his people) He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If 1 act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°

17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.

21:107 to 109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour (of Judgment) is near or far."

22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) `God best knows (the value of) what you do."

88:21, 22; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the (task of spreading) Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every (false) religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

36:16, 17 (Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6, 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

67:25, 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."

60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

60:9 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

 

[Kaendar]

Prophetic Narrations

The lives of the practitioners of other religions in the Muslim society was also given protective status. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him!) said:

“Whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.” (Saheeh Muslim)

Since the upper hand was with the Muslims, the Prophet strictly warned against any maltreatment of people of other faiths. He said:

“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud)



The teachings of the Prophet on how you and I should treat our Non-Muslim friends and neighbours on a day to day basis as well as how to government should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state.

"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)

"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)

"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)

"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)

 

[Kaendar]

Monasteries, Churches and Synagogues must be Respected

A Muslim must respect and protect the holy places where the People of the Book worship God, and protect them. For Muslims, these places are precious because in these places, people, whether Jews or Christians, remember God. In the Qur'an, the places of worship of the People of the Book, ie. monasteries, churches and synagogues, are mentioned as places of worship protected by God.

…if God had not driven some people back by means of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, where God's name is mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. God will certainly help those who help Him-God is All-Strong, Almighty. (Qur'an, 22:40)

As a manifestation of his loyalty to God's commands, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was most careful not to destroy the holy places of the People of the Book. Such destruction means, in the first place, opposing God's commands. This aside, it means preventing people who have faith in God worshipping Him. Indeed, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) promised the Christians, who were the other party to a peace agreement he made, that their churches would not be destroyed and that they would never be harmed. The tax (Jizya) agreements he made with Christians also guaranteed the safety of churches.

The first agreement made after the death of the Prophet (pbuh) that guaranteed the protection of the temples was a tax agreement Khalid bin al-Waleed signed with the leader of the city of Anat. Ibn Ishaq stated that those agreements made by Khalid bin al-Waleed were also approved by Abu Bakr and the three caliphs following him.16 This aside, Abu Bakr offered the same guarantees that had been offered to the people of Najran by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

The Islamic societies that abided by Islamic morality after the death of the Prophet (pbuh) also paid special attention to this issue. Muslim leaders who adhered to the Qur'an and the Sunnah (the sayings and doings of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) respected the places of worship of non-Muslims in conquered countries and showed great tolerance to the clergy. Christians who lived under Muslim rule for centuries never rebelled for religious reasons. This, there is no doubt, is the result of the just and tolerant attitudes of Muslim leaders in compliance with Qur'anic rules.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/

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[kgp]

I just read how thos savages wrecked thousand year old shrines in timbuktu. They are doing this before they put sharia law in place. Fucking cowards. Imagine no Muslims on earth. What a better place the world would be.....

 

[Winter Woman]

I just read how thos savages wrecked thousand year old shrines in timbuktu. They are doing this before they put sharia law in place. Fucking cowards. Imagine no Muslims on earth. What a better place the world would be.....

I read an interview with a man from the town. And he said something about wanting to protect those shrines but with what? The citizenry has no weapons and the Islamist have machine guns.

I think we should remember that when the anti-gun people push for more gun control.

 

[TheChosen]

More peaceful peace from the religion of peace.

 

[robert 14617]

More peaceful peace from the religion of peace.

i stepped away , and what religion is this

 

[TheChosen]

The religion that only tolerates tolerance of its own intolerant religion.

 

[robert 14617]

The religion that only tolerates tolerance of its own intolerant religion.

could you be more vague

 

[WA1PAHUboi]

　
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maniac european demon in action

 

[rowlman]

........they started it

 

[MrFrance]

muslims are ultra passive aggressive ... i was walking through town and a family took up the entire pavement blocking everyone's way while they pretended to be interested in some store window. They were just being fucking awkward. we pedestrians they were purposefully blocking unanimously stood there, giving them their space, and it was obvious each and every single one of us was thinking 'what a bunch of muslim prats'.

Then one of the prats turns to us as if surprised that we were there (eh, he must not have seen us) and said something foolish like 'oh hi do you want get through' .... we walked through and I chuckled to myself 'that ignorant family of muslims has just shot themselves in the foot' .... and we were all thinking the exact same thing.

Shame on them!