F.M.I.L.Y
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Learning how to read your plants!!!
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mytwhyt
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Decided this is the place for me to settle in. I've had good results with standard waterfarms and scrog a couple times. Not being able to move the grow when needed and a rather small reservoir, lead me to build the screen on a 50 qt. Coleman cooler w/wheels. I posted my first post on this in the, What is a waterfarm thread. I'll post these pics of the first finished, of three planed.
The screen is 24"x32". The waterfarm bucket is 11" below the screen. I think I'll run about 7gal. to keep the water level below the bottom of the bucket....
The screen is 24"x32". The waterfarm bucket is 11" below the screen. I think I'll run about 7gal. to keep the water level below the bottom of the bucket....
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Arcturon
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This shit looks hella pro!
Arcturon
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Look close, I think it's one of those coolers with a lid you lift straight off! Either way, that looks like something that may very well have to be tinkered with.
Edit: that's no lid, it's Styrofoam! If things go wrong then he can just cut a hole in it! This guy put a lot of thought into his work!
Edit: that's no lid, it's Styrofoam! If things go wrong then he can just cut a hole in it! This guy put a lot of thought into his work!
mytwhyt
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I never open it to the look inside the reservoir, I know whats in there. I'll use non hardening caulk to seal the lid at the start of each grow. The cooler top isn't flat enough for a good seal without caulk...I'm sticking with the air pump to keep the heat down, but will be upgrading to much better air pump.
I completely sterilize after each grow and keep the reservoir in the upper 60s and they have never given me a problem, yet . .knock on wood...
I'm open to any ideas for improvement, even a new partner needs to be tweaked for a good fit, most of the time..
I have a few more tweaks in mind, a floating, through the top of the lid reservoir level indicator, in a tube, that rises and falls with the liquid level. Maybe a float valve in the cooler, connected the a higher reservoir, for more time away from the farm if needed, just used when needed..
The drains will be connected and will drain outside to my melon patch, through the floor.
I'll be doing three units, starting one every 30 day's. Harvesting every 30 days is enough for myself and needy friends..
I completely sterilize after each grow and keep the reservoir in the upper 60s and they have never given me a problem, yet . .knock on wood...
I'm open to any ideas for improvement, even a new partner needs to be tweaked for a good fit, most of the time..
I have a few more tweaks in mind, a floating, through the top of the lid reservoir level indicator, in a tube, that rises and falls with the liquid level. Maybe a float valve in the cooler, connected the a higher reservoir, for more time away from the farm if needed, just used when needed..
The drains will be connected and will drain outside to my melon patch, through the floor.
I'll be doing three units, starting one every 30 day's. Harvesting every 30 days is enough for myself and needy friends..
mike91sr
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Fuckin sneaky, I didnt even realize that was stryofoam lol....
I had just assumed youd want to be able to access your roots and see your water level, personal preference I guess. And you mentioned possibly using an indicator, definitely wouldnt hurt if you dont plan on opening it. What kind/size air pump you using?
Everything looks solid though, I cant really think of anything else you havent already. Lookin forward to seein them in action though!
I had just assumed youd want to be able to access your roots and see your water level, personal preference I guess. And you mentioned possibly using an indicator, definitely wouldnt hurt if you dont plan on opening it. What kind/size air pump you using?Everything looks solid though, I cant really think of anything else you havent already. Lookin forward to seein them in action though!
dapio
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Swaggin on em' man
mytwhyt
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Thanks for the likes, I had hoped for a few, but I do indeed feel honored to get one from the thread starter.
Mike91sr..This is the new pump I bought http://www.greners.com/i/pumps-irrigation/air-pump/air-pump-dual-diaphragm.html Long life and replaceable diaphragm, according to the reviews.
Mike91sr..This is the new pump I bought http://www.greners.com/i/pumps-irrigation/air-pump/air-pump-dual-diaphragm.html Long life and replaceable diaphragm, according to the reviews.
mike91sr
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Those dual diaphragm pumps are wierd...I have one that came with my waterfarm pack and cant use it for anything besides drip rings. For whatever reason, even a single airstone has almost no airflow.
They get hot, but if youre running 4x7gal reservoirs(?), you may want to look into something higher powered
http://www.calihydrosupply.com/Air_Pump_12_Outlets_112W_110L_p/AAPA110L.htm
Thats what I was running for 8 waterfarms with 2-2.5gal of water in each plus about 5 in the res which I didnt directly aerate(WF res has an air line for circulation and enough to keep the nasties outta the res), which is less overall volume than youre going to have and I would still have preferred more airflow than it gave me. They get HOT, but a fan blowing across it will help, as will having a timer to turn it off for a few(5-15) minutes every couple hours. I've even thought about getting a second one, and alternating them with a bit of overlap to increase airflow while reducing heat output. I think it may be more economical to look into industrial pumps or a venturi at that point, not sure yet.
They get hot, but if youre running 4x7gal reservoirs(?), you may want to look into something higher powered
http://www.calihydrosupply.com/Air_Pump_12_Outlets_112W_110L_p/AAPA110L.htm
Thats what I was running for 8 waterfarms with 2-2.5gal of water in each plus about 5 in the res which I didnt directly aerate(WF res has an air line for circulation and enough to keep the nasties outta the res), which is less overall volume than youre going to have and I would still have preferred more airflow than it gave me. They get HOT, but a fan blowing across it will help, as will having a timer to turn it off for a few(5-15) minutes every couple hours. I've even thought about getting a second one, and alternating them with a bit of overlap to increase airflow while reducing heat output. I think it may be more economical to look into industrial pumps or a venturi at that point, not sure yet.
trichomedome
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Arcturon ?
What do you think is the most important thing to keep an eye on while growing?
F.M.I.L.Y Learning how to read your plants!!!
Yes i agree it,s very important but imo only time gives you the experiance to notice the fine difrences in the plants. atb Tcd
What do you think is the most important thing to keep an eye on while growing?
F.M.I.L.Y Learning how to read your plants!!!
Yes i agree it,s very important but imo only time gives you the experiance to notice the fine difrences in the plants. atb Tcd
trichomedome
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Great idea and a fine job budy. top notch atb Tcd
woodsmantoker
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Arcturon
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Freshn'green
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Hey Everyone,
I'm still in the build stage of my cabinet, but need some assistance before I can go ahead and make the rest of my purchases. I'd appreciate anything you offer.
First let me explain the set-up and my intentions.
First time grower, limited living area equals limited grow area. I wanted everything to be self-contained and stealth. Incase anyone looks around, all they would see is my white cabinet without odor (wishful thinking).
View attachment 2249610 It's only for me, so I figured I'd only grow two plants, Indica and Sativa. My cabinet dimensions are H70"xW48"xD20". Trying to continue the theme of stealth, I had to think about exhaust and odor. So what I decided, was that I would have a separate chamber on the top (inside) to section off the whole exhaust system, to then be sound-proofed. I purchased Vortex 4" 177CFM in-line fan that will be pulling through a carbon filter. View attachment 2249662 You'll have to excuse the crude photoshop skills, but you get the idea. Now, my chosen method considering my limited space and plants, I decided to SCRoG, Top the plants, Soil, 400w (eventually throw in some CFL's to the corners). Unfortunately, given the size of the cabinet, I can't keep a perpetual grow going.
My in-take will also be another chamber on the bottom that will serve as a shelf for the pots and SCRoG set-up. The shelf will have holes cut in it for the pots (think cup holders) the supports for the SCRoG screen are on the shelf as well. The Idea is to make the shelf slide out for easy cleaning.View attachment 2249681 Back to the In-take, I tried showing the approximate set-up with what I have now, as you can see from the photo. Imagine the bottom being the chamber for in-take, the flow works like this --- port holes in back=>air enters chamber=>three computer fans (variable speeds) suck the fresh air through the bottom and force it up through the canopy. The three fans will be mounted on the board of the shelf much like the flowering pots. I have to make sure to leave enough room on the power cables for the whole shelf to be pulled out. View attachment 2249708I am still considering buying a small clip on fan for the top of the canopy.
Ok, you know the set-up, here are my problems and questions.
The problem I see my self facing is height problems and possibly some heat issues. View attachment 2249734 Sorry if this is confusing. From the bottom up, -The soil pots height is the height of the In-take chamber(12") because the pots rest IN the shelf along with the three computer fans.
-The top board represents the height of the start of the canopy(12" from the pots).
-Totaling my height at 24" so far.
-As you can see in the photo I only have 18" from the beginning of my canopy to the glass on my light. This would be my problem and question.
**Is 18" from the SCRoG screen, to the glass of the light, enough room for good growth and enough safe distance from the light, without burning my plants? Or do I have to reconsider my situation.
My possible solutions for those problems have been...
-To have shallower soil pots that are wide (not sure what it does for my roots). I was hoping optimistically for 6"H pots, which would give me 24" from the screen to my glass, but I haven't found anything yet.
-Have a smaller under growth area perhaps 6" as well, giving me the same height as shallower pots.
-Or maybe I could tie my plants down onto the screen and hope it helps restrict the growth height.
-Or the more difficult fix is to remove the whole entire exhaust chamber and then mount equipment to the walls and ceiling(which makes it harder to soundproof). That would give me 30" from SCRoG screen to glass. Which seems like it would be enough room to not have to worry really, but it gets rid of my exhaust chamber and the cab is already crowded.
Also, since I've never grown in this scenario before or at all, I do not know how much space I should have between the tips of my plants, to the glass. **I've been thinking, if I can make it work within 18" it would have to be around 10" from tips of plants to glass, but I really don't know. Plus, that only leaves me with 8" of growth for my canopy. Not sure if that's realistic.
Ok, to wrap it up. My question, Is 18" from the SCRoG screen, to the glass of the light, enough room for good growth and enough safe distance from the light, without burning my plants?
Let me know if you have any questions, suggestions, or commentary.
Thanks,
Freshn'Green
I'm still in the build stage of my cabinet, but need some assistance before I can go ahead and make the rest of my purchases. I'd appreciate anything you offer.
First let me explain the set-up and my intentions.
First time grower, limited living area equals limited grow area. I wanted everything to be self-contained and stealth. Incase anyone looks around, all they would see is my white cabinet without odor (wishful thinking).
View attachment 2249610 It's only for me, so I figured I'd only grow two plants, Indica and Sativa. My cabinet dimensions are H70"xW48"xD20". Trying to continue the theme of stealth, I had to think about exhaust and odor. So what I decided, was that I would have a separate chamber on the top (inside) to section off the whole exhaust system, to then be sound-proofed. I purchased Vortex 4" 177CFM in-line fan that will be pulling through a carbon filter. View attachment 2249662 You'll have to excuse the crude photoshop skills, but you get the idea. Now, my chosen method considering my limited space and plants, I decided to SCRoG, Top the plants, Soil, 400w (eventually throw in some CFL's to the corners). Unfortunately, given the size of the cabinet, I can't keep a perpetual grow going.
My in-take will also be another chamber on the bottom that will serve as a shelf for the pots and SCRoG set-up. The shelf will have holes cut in it for the pots (think cup holders) the supports for the SCRoG screen are on the shelf as well. The Idea is to make the shelf slide out for easy cleaning.View attachment 2249681 Back to the In-take, I tried showing the approximate set-up with what I have now, as you can see from the photo. Imagine the bottom being the chamber for in-take, the flow works like this --- port holes in back=>air enters chamber=>three computer fans (variable speeds) suck the fresh air through the bottom and force it up through the canopy. The three fans will be mounted on the board of the shelf much like the flowering pots. I have to make sure to leave enough room on the power cables for the whole shelf to be pulled out. View attachment 2249708I am still considering buying a small clip on fan for the top of the canopy.
Ok, you know the set-up, here are my problems and questions.
The problem I see my self facing is height problems and possibly some heat issues. View attachment 2249734 Sorry if this is confusing. From the bottom up, -The soil pots height is the height of the In-take chamber(12") because the pots rest IN the shelf along with the three computer fans.
-The top board represents the height of the start of the canopy(12" from the pots).
-Totaling my height at 24" so far.
-As you can see in the photo I only have 18" from the beginning of my canopy to the glass on my light. This would be my problem and question.
**Is 18" from the SCRoG screen, to the glass of the light, enough room for good growth and enough safe distance from the light, without burning my plants? Or do I have to reconsider my situation.
My possible solutions for those problems have been...
-To have shallower soil pots that are wide (not sure what it does for my roots). I was hoping optimistically for 6"H pots, which would give me 24" from the screen to my glass, but I haven't found anything yet.
-Have a smaller under growth area perhaps 6" as well, giving me the same height as shallower pots.
-Or maybe I could tie my plants down onto the screen and hope it helps restrict the growth height.
-Or the more difficult fix is to remove the whole entire exhaust chamber and then mount equipment to the walls and ceiling(which makes it harder to soundproof). That would give me 30" from SCRoG screen to glass. Which seems like it would be enough room to not have to worry really, but it gets rid of my exhaust chamber and the cab is already crowded.
Also, since I've never grown in this scenario before or at all, I do not know how much space I should have between the tips of my plants, to the glass. **I've been thinking, if I can make it work within 18" it would have to be around 10" from tips of plants to glass, but I really don't know. Plus, that only leaves me with 8" of growth for my canopy. Not sure if that's realistic.
Ok, to wrap it up. My question, Is 18" from the SCRoG screen, to the glass of the light, enough room for good growth and enough safe distance from the light, without burning my plants?
Let me know if you have any questions, suggestions, or commentary.
Thanks,
Freshn'Green
dapio
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18 inches away from your screen with a 400 watt will be fine.
t2kallday
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WOW! 5 or 6 pounds off two 1000 watts keep up posted i gotta see this! peace
trichomedome
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How long do you peeps dry there crop for before weighing ? i helped a chap bag up last week he reckoned he had 30 oz from 2x600,s, the only problem was the stems were bendy, that was after two weeks drying ? imo it was not a valid weight. Tcd
what i do is trim all buds place on screens keeping temps in the 60 - 65 mark and a dark place place on screens for 72 hrs then put it all in a bag wrap up air tight for 8 - 10 hrs then place back on screens for 24 - 48 hrs bag them there done of course lots of air movement the screen is one plant trim 1 1/4 dry pound 2270 grams wet the bucket is 4 pounds from 4 plant trim dry