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cannabineer said:
I think that a basic tenet of an open society is that the citizen should have full access to what the police get. If the police are stripped of all guns, I'll play. Britain and Japan play by those rules. But I need it sealed in ironclad law that the police don't get special privilege. cn
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Ehh, I think the Police can keep theirs, guns can always be smuggled.
 
cannabineer

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Ehh, I think the Police can keep theirs, guns can always be smuggled.
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Why a double standard? If guns can be smuggled, they can be turned on citizens. As long as that danger exists as more than a one-in-a-million mischance, would you really want to say No to folks trying to defend themselves and theirs? Let the military and special branches, e.g. border patrol, keep'em, but state-and-down police? They should put their money where their chiefs' mouths are. Jmo. cn
 
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cannabineer said:
What constitutes "common-sense gun law"? Imo the best one would be to face the fact head-on that society is made of people, and as you said, people are violent retards. I would despise the sort of gun law that concentrates them into those hands. I agree that the 2nd Amendment needs to be changed. My proposal:

"The individual citizen has the express right to own, operate, buy, sell, bequeath and inherit any and all projectile weapons. Federal, State and local laws that infringe upon this right will not be allowed." That should put paid to those judicial geniuses who want to impose the revisionist idea that the 2nd describes a collective and not individual right.

I would of course allow/welcome common-sense restrictions on that basic premise: older than 18, not currently incarcerated or on probation for a violent crime, no carry in fully-secured environments like police stations, military installations, airports and judicial/correctional buildings, no explosive/incendiary shells.
But the right to carry should not be subject to the whim of, say, local police, who see civil carry as conflict of interest.

My opinion.

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I'm on board with this, common sense. Don't allow bad guys to get guns legally. There are plenty of ways of course for them (Bad Guys) to get weapons, stealing them comes to mind, that is why responsible people with weapons need a secure gun safe to keep them in when not in use. I have an assortment of weapons, rifles, assault weapons, hand guns, all kept in a huge gun safe. A criminal would have to be an expert safe cracker, or have me at gunpoint to get in the safe, I aint exactly no frickin hero. Point a weapon at me or my family, and I'll open the safe, no problem, that is if I can't reasonably get to one of my own, but if a breakin happens, they aint gittin my guns without pointin one of their own at me.
 
cannabineer

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medicineman said:
I'm on board with this, common sense. Don't allow bad guys to get guns legally. There are plenty of ways of course for them (Bad Guys) to get weapons, stealing them comes to mind, that is why responsible people with weapons need a secure gun safe to keep them in when not in use. I have an assortment of weapons, rifles, assault weapons, hand guns, all kept in a huge gun safe. A criminal would have to be an expert safe cracker, or have me at gunpoint to get in the safe, I aint exactly no frickin hero. Point a weapon at me or my family, and I'll open the safe, no problem, that is if I can't reasonably get to one of my own, but if a breakin happens, they aint gittin my guns without pointin one of their own at me.
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I do not have, nor can I obtain, an actual assault weapon. Assault weapons are defined by a select-fire provision (safe, semi-auto, burst, full auto) as well as overall size and geometry. Imo that was one of the most cynical things we've allowed the media to perpetrate: calling semi-auto-only guns "assault weapons". No soldier or guerilla worth his salt would willingly carry one such. cn
 
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cannabineer said:
Why a double standard? If guns can be smuggled, they can be turned on citizens. As long as that danger exists as more than a one-in-a-million mischance, would you really want to say No to folks trying to defend themselves and theirs? Let the military and special branches, e.g. border patrol, keep'em, but state-and-down police? They should put their money where their chiefs' mouths are. Jmo. cn
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I know their is always that chance but police won't be obliged to use them unless someone did get their hands on a smuggled gun, or has a hostage at knife point, I'm willing to take that chance.
 
cannabineer

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I know their is always that chance but police won't be obliged to use them unless someone did get their hands on a smuggled gun, or has a hostage at knife point, I'm willing to take that chance.
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Not me. I am unwilling to relinquish an extremely valuable right in the face of the police's continued displays of ineptitude, unfairness and just plain corruption. My possible armed state serves as a valuable counterbalance. If they don't give, neither do I. That's my tiny daily serving of civil disobedience, if need be. cn
 
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Had a guy tell me the Ist action stuff for his Home Brigade. He is Swiss. He is in a defense unit, and has an assault rifle in his closet.

Hooo...what's that? (Stewardess? Another round?) He said their right to bear arms is what our 2ond Amendment is based on.
OK< tell the story. We have lots of time till London.

He is given 1000 rounds of war shot and every year 1000 rounds of range ammo. He has to log range time, against the practice stuff and shoot out and other wise qualify the entire 1000 rounds every year until he is 35. Then he is in the Reserves.

1st action is to rally at the local hard point. Then double time to the heavy weps, he was a mortar platoon leader. Deploy right there, into their assigned part of the local self assembling defense grid. This is all the way up to surface to air assets. Lock in comms. Grit your teeth. Zürich is safe, for now.

They drill a couple of times a year and he gets his 3 crews, tubes sited on their range marks in about 25 min. From 18 - 35 years old.
Mandatory. Plus his day job, of course.
 
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Corruption and dishonest people are everywhere but most cops aren't gonna use their guns unless it's an absolute last resort.
 
Total Head

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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms


Getting a little more accurate here.
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if we are to believe that link to be accurate, we should all be EXTREMELY interested in this link from the same website. when you take guns off the table and look at the plain ol' murder rate, you see much different countries on that list, and not the ones you'd expect
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita.

and from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

so my question is this: if they aren't topping the gun list, exactly what are these people using to commit murders that top the murder list? does this mean that *gasp* people kill people even when they DON'T have guns?
 
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Total Head said:
if we are to believe that link to be accurate, we should all be EXTREMELY interested in this link from the same website. when you take guns off the table and look at the plain ol' murder rate, you see much different countries on that list, and not the ones you'd expect
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita.

and from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

so my question is this: if they aren't topping the gun list, exactly what are these people using to commit murders that top the murder list? does this mean that *gasp* people kill people even when they DON'T have guns?
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Lol, /end of discussion
cannabineer said:
The catch is in the adjective. cn
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Yep, that's why I said I'm willing to take that chance because of the low %, gotta take risks everyday just walking out of your home, dangers lurk everywhere.
 
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cannabineer said:
I actually did some reading on Pitcairn's social troubles two years ago. They have some seriously messed-up social issues, like institutional incest. It was a pretty nasty read. cn

A sample.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2004/oct/27/familyandrelationships.southpacific
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Wow, just....wow, so it's a pedophiles paradise lol.

At least they're trying to clean it up and not just accepting it instead, and it said the reason why the population is so low is that most young people leave. Kinda sad to hear all that considering how beautiful the outside is, what a disgusting reason behind it.
 
UncleBuck

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i've been waiting for someone to chime in with the old cliche: an armed society is a polite society.

false. a polite society is a polite society. an armed society is polite through hostility, distrust, and threat of violence.

too bad the gun debate always come back to the fact that we, as a species, are violent retards. it's been getting worse ever since we started putting up fences and farming the land.
 
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