Question / Problem week 5 flowering All Leaves dead calxy' stopped developing

[Senseimilla]

Gotta disagree, plant is not done, it's burnt. No plant finishes at 5 weeks and they don't all shrivel up all at once like that. Gotta harvest either way as the photosynthesis can not support the rest of the plant at this point. Cheese is known to be a nute intolerant strain which burns easily. Some dude did cheesequake start to finish with just base soil and no added nutes and it turned out great. Sub only recommends using small amounts of super soil. Sorry dude -- whatever you gave it was way too much -- i've seen a plant burn but that is probably the worst. Oh and your first pic before the leaves all died DOES look like light burn/heat damage as well on top (the yellowing down below does look like normal yellowing) -- it actually looks like you heat/light poisoned them and THEN killed her with nutes I just started germing 6 cheesequakes so i'm gonna try and remember this lesson What nutes did you give??

 

[tranka32]

Harvested already 3 or 4 days ago. It's weird because the other DQ I have is still going strong. I gave them both the same amount of nutrients and lighting. This one had other problems as well. Not sure yet it may have been root bound as well. I ran X nutrients, I was on bloom week 9 of the advanced feeding schedule that can be found here, http://www.xnutrients.com/schedule.pdf

 

[thepaintedchef]

That's part of being a good farmer. Trial and error.next time you know what to look for and will be more cautious. I'm not a nutes guy but I understand that x are some banging nutrients. Keep at it don't get discouraged.

 

[tranka32]

Thanks Chef, I'm not discouraged at all . Harvesting this one early gives me some room to put the two AOS that I have on deck in the flowering tent. I will also be running this DQ from clone again and will remember to go easy on the nutes, especially during flowering. I just dumped the pot and the root ball didn't look too bad a little brown but that was all. It never did drain properly so the poor drainage may have contributed to her demise. I figure I will get at least 2 oz off her so it's not a total loss. It's frosty as hell so if all else fails I will whip up some ice hash. Thanks for all the input I knew I could count on you guys to offer some sound advice.

 

[MegaBud]

I am using X Nutrients as well, having the same exact issues. I was running the schedule exactly as it says and my plants started having the same problems, leaves browning and dying off, also slowed bud growth. I checked the runoff of one plant and the PPM was at 3200 WTF!?!

Needless to say I burned the living crap out of them, lesson learned as well.

 

[Senseimilla]

Don't know much about those nutrients, but what you describe about the other plants being fine sounds normal. Nutrient tolerance is going to vary between plants, even of the same strain. For DQ the Cheese side is nute sensitive but I don't believe the other strain in the cross is, so you'll see variation in nute sensitivity -- all the cheese clone offspring have the potential to be very sensitive. It's one thing I'm worried about -- hate nute sensitive plants myself I use organic based nutes though and they tend to be pretty forgiving -- you'll burn a plant sometimes but you won't kill it without giving it way too much.

 

[tranka32]

I am using X Nutrients as well, having the same exact issues. I was running the schedule exactly as it says and my plants started having the same problems, leaves browning and dying off, also slowed bud growth. I checked the runoff of one plant and the PPM was at 3200 WTF!?!

Needless to say I burned the living crap out of them, lesson learned as well.

Sorry to hear about that. I am lucky the other two are not as sensitive and still doing well. They should be finishing very soon. If not this week than def next. So far this is the only problem I have had using X it has worked great for me; and cheap too. I don't have a ppm meter yet so not able to test that. I use straight ph'd water every other watering 20% run off. The runoff is always clear. Did you recover from the burn or did you take em down?

 

[tranka32]

Don't know much about those nutrients, but what you describe about the other plants being fine sounds normal. Nutrient tolerance is going to vary between plants, even of the same strain. For DQ the Cheese side is nute sensitive but I don't believe the other strain in the cross is, so you'll see variation in nute sensitivity -- all the cheese clone offspring have the potential to be very sensitive. It's one thing I'm worried about -- hate nute sensitive plants myself I use organic based nutes though and they tend to be pretty forgiving -- you'll burn a plant sometimes but you won't kill it without giving it way too much.

Thanks Sense, I plan on going as organic as possible in the future. I will be mixing up some super soil ASAP. T

 

[geekmike]

good call on the SS, but be aware that the taller phenos of the DQ tend to be a bit more touchy on the nutes. I go 20% SS then top feed at 4 weeks. 40% from the start worked out perfect for the shorter more resonus phenos.

 

[tranka32]

Great Info. Mike, Funny the smaller resinous one is the one that I burnt. I could have made a mistake when mixing the nutes and gave her a double dose of something. I found this thread by sir stickybuds that was helpful too. I have one very similar to his first photo. https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/532695-dq-smoke-report-pic-collection.html

 

[MegaBud]

Sorry to hear about that. I am lucky the other two are not as sensitive and still doing well. They should be finishing very soon. If not this week than def next. So far this is the only problem I have had using X it has worked great for me; and cheap too. I don't have a ppm meter yet so not able to test that. I use straight ph'd water every other watering 20% run off. The runoff is always clear. Did you recover from the burn or did you take em down?

My SpaceDawg got hit hard, that was the one with 3200ppm. I had to take her down about 2-3 weeks early.
Xnutes turned my plants into very beautiful plants from veg until I burned the life out of them (Grower error). I was able to salvage 2 of the 3 burned ones, I've been flushing and flushing and seeing new pistil growth and the buds are continuing to swell on the two survivors.
Those ones are now nestled next to their clone siblings who are in super soil.

 

[tranka32]

Ok, One more question. I have been told to start counting days after the 10-14 days stretch period is over. Actually it was described as start counting weeks after the stretch. How do you guys count the days? Do you start at the onset of 12/12 or do you wait till the stretch is over? Thanks T

 

[psillysimon]

Ok, One more question. I have been told to start counting days after the 10-14 days stretch period is over. Actually it was described as start counting weeks after the stretch. How do you guys count the days? Do you start at the onset of 12/12 or do you wait till the stretch is over? Thanks T

I start counting at the onset of 12/12. but I don't just go by how long it's supposed to flower. I make sure that the trichs are where I awnt them.

 

[tranka32]

Thanks ps. simon, I am monitoring the trichs. They all look fully developed and all of them are cloudy. I see some amber but not 20% yet more like 10%. The fade is also really starting to come in on them. My guess is that one is very close and the other is maybe another week or two away. The time frame given by the breeder looks like it will be right on from the onset of 12/12 today was day 56. Got their respective replacements on deck at just about 18 inches or so.

Thanks again for your reply much appreciated!

 

[Senseimilla]

Trichs are the way...

 

[Grojak]

Having ran my DQ cuts 3 times now I feel I'm getting the hang of this one, I actually just cut down my Cheese dom for the last time, nasty smelling bitch, just wasn't for me smelled ilke poo, yielded better than my other but my other one produces much more resin and has a sweet lemon smell.

Tranka you definably were not done with that plant but nothing can be done about it. It looked similar to my lemon Pheno (your other looks like my cheese with FAT calyxes) I had nearly the same thing happen with the my C99 leaning girl. Around week 3/4 I noticed some leaves started curling and turned brown, however I didn't cut them off, I flushed the shit out of her and bought an outtake fan, I'm certain heat was my issue though, I'm less than a week from harvesting her and the leaves that turned nasty are still green for the most part and still on the plant. Raise you light 24" above and hold your hand at your highest bud, if it's warm move your light and don't be afraid to keep moving your light, hell your light being too far away is better than your crops dying.

 

[wheezer]

I don't know what that guy that said that plant is done is smokin'....but I want some of that cause he's high as hell!

 

[tranka32]

Yes kinda sucks but oh well guess I'll make budder. I got a solid O of airy buds and trim for the budder and another solid O of small immature buds but they are at least clean. They are also pretty resinous considering how early she went down. I will know next time around. The thing is it really didn't get all that close to the light. I mean no closer than the other two in the tent and they are doing fine. I guess this one just needs a little more space than the others. Yes grojak that cheese dom is a nasty smelling bitch lol, the other is very lemony and produces a large amount of resin. I will run them both again and again and possibly again.

 

[Grojak]

Yes kinda sucks but oh well guess I'll make budder. I got a solid O of airy buds and trim for the budder and another solid O of small immature buds but they are at least clean. They are also pretty resinous considering how early she went down. I will know next time around. The thing is it really didn't get all that close to the light. I mean no closer than the other two in the tent and they are doing fine. I guess this one just needs a little more space than the others. Yes grojak that cheese dom is a nasty smelling bitch lol, the other is very lemony and produces a large amount of resin. I will run them both again and again and possibly again.

So I have a theory on what is happening to you, only because I just figured it out for myself. So I have a Dynamite I had to pull 2 days early because it got severely heat stress and I didn't want it getting worse. I moved one of my DQ's to the same place I had the Dynamite. I went into the room tonight and the DQ was starting to get some crisp leaves and is also suffering. I figured out my problem, I first thought the Dynamite being more Indica was more sensitive to heat (made sense since in my head Indica's come from mountains) but than my Sativa leaning DQ had the same issue.The issue I believe was being too close to my osculating fan.. it was in a corner of the room that was not getting any air flow and I think it caused it to get heat stressed. I hope this is your problem because it is an easy fix once it's figured out

 

[tranka32]

Not really sure but I should know in another 45 days or so. Getting ready to run her again. I will make sure to pay attention to everything a little bit more this time around. I just found out that one of my ace of spades x ? from bag seed is a male. I had a feeling it wasn't a girl a long time ago but kept her vegging anyway without running a clone to make sure of it. Won't make that mistake again.