Siddhartha2
Active Member
Yes it slows stretch a lot. your plants will still stretch a bit, but not nearly as much as without it. Flowers will start almost a week faster.
Sidd
Sidd
does bud ignitor cut down the stretch in flower?
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o shit thats what i like to hear thanks! if you were gonna go by percentages what % of the stretch is cut do you think? i got plants that stretch from like a foot to 4 feet the height is crazy, im tryin to cut that down
sidd you use it at full strength the first 2 weeks?
could you please explain why its safer?
Siddhartha2
Active Member
Cuts stretch in about half.
Full strength first week, half strength week 2. Just to try and save money.
Other stretch stopping nutrients have Paclobutrazol in them. Paclo is banned for human consumption. If a chemical manufacture tells you it is banned you know you really dont want it in you. Bud Ignitor uses Ethephon i think, which is ok for fruit production.
Lab Testing Results courtesy of integralhydro.com
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon: 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Sidd
Full strength first week, half strength week 2. Just to try and save money.
Other stretch stopping nutrients have Paclobutrazol in them. Paclo is banned for human consumption. If a chemical manufacture tells you it is banned you know you really dont want it in you. Bud Ignitor uses Ethephon i think, which is ok for fruit production.
Lab Testing Results courtesy of integralhydro.com
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon: 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Sidd
your the man sidd thanks! just curious what other AN products do you love or use? you sound like you know what your doin. any thoughts on bud factor x?
Siddhartha2
Active Member
I use
sensi A and B
Bud Ignitor
Big Bud
Overdrive
Pro-tekt from Dyna Grow
Liquid Karma from Botanicare
Bud Factor X is great if you are worried about disease. It works way better if you use a Potassium Silicate product with it in my experience. I dont use it anymore just because of cost. If you are newer and can afford it use as directed, it helps. Be careful with what else you use it with because Saylic Acid has hormonal effects on plants and will respond negativly with some PGRs. And most companys do not list PGRs in their products.
I highly recomend using Potasium Silicate of some sort. Always mix it first and let the water stand, then adjust your pH before adding anything else.
overdrive is amazing. Some strains will get weird stretchy after using it, others like White Rhino just double in size with dense nugs.
Liquid Karma and Nirvana are similar, there is a slight difference in taste and smell in the final product, i guess because of the different ammino acids. I love to foliar feed with LK for the first three weeks.
Sidd
sensi A and B
Bud Ignitor
Big Bud
Overdrive
Pro-tekt from Dyna Grow
Liquid Karma from Botanicare
Bud Factor X is great if you are worried about disease. It works way better if you use a Potassium Silicate product with it in my experience. I dont use it anymore just because of cost. If you are newer and can afford it use as directed, it helps. Be careful with what else you use it with because Saylic Acid has hormonal effects on plants and will respond negativly with some PGRs. And most companys do not list PGRs in their products.
I highly recomend using Potasium Silicate of some sort. Always mix it first and let the water stand, then adjust your pH before adding anything else.
overdrive is amazing. Some strains will get weird stretchy after using it, others like White Rhino just double in size with dense nugs.
Liquid Karma and Nirvana are similar, there is a slight difference in taste and smell in the final product, i guess because of the different ammino acids. I love to foliar feed with LK for the first three weeks.
Sidd
i hear you i just used nirvana for the first time on this crop yesterday and i noticed a big difference in budding in 24 hours i love that shit now. how could strains get stretchy using overdrive when its used in the last few weeks of flower when the plants are done growing?
Siddhartha2
Active Member
How? I have no idea. But I have seen it happen to a few strains. They were pure sativa strains that were already silly stretchy. 2 days after using it the buds stretched out. It is not the plant stretching just the buds.
Sidd
Sidd
hmmm thats weird ive never scene that before. nice talkin to you sidd thanks for the info
el throttle
Well-Known Member
i use sensi a&b, big bud, bud candy, nirvana and get excellent results with that. i never have to adjust ph either.. i added bud factor x on one grow but did not notice a difference...
ive tried many other companies and combos but nothing works better or easier for me. here are some random plants from random grows of mine all using a&b,bigbud,budcandy,and nirvana
very nice el throttle. your using the exact same things that im using except i also add barricade. im curious what ratio of additives to nutes do you use? as an example i add 100m of a, 100 of b, and 50 ml of all additives so thats a 50% ratio of additives to nutes. do you do it similar to this or are you measuring by the gal?
el throttle
Well-Known Member
I do the same ratio but I go by mixing 16 ml per gallon of base and 8 ml per gallon of additives. I usually mix 5 gallons at a time.
good to know. i like knowing if other people are doing the same as me and you look like you know what your doing nice pics
Motherhugger
Well-Known Member
Nice conversation here, folks. I don't think I've used Bud Ignitor that much (feeling the years of stoned-ness today), so it's good to hear from folks that know their stuff.
mr. green thumb 01
New Member
A little trick I do that helps tremendously with stretch is leave it nice and close under a M.H light until you see flower sites then move it to a hps. Hps is knows to for more lanky growth w/ less leafiness but larger fruiting. Really mh are closer to the sun spectrum thats why plants respond to them better but they dont have quite enough red spectrum for the full fruiting potential. Its usually a week or two for me under m.h once the switch is made. And I run a 400 mh in the flower room constantly to help w/ the spectrum. youngies go under there then I rotate them to the 600 hps's i got going.
thats way too big of a hastle to do when you have alot of lights though. i was just doing some research on the sensi ph perfect and it says when using it plants are more compact and short. im hoping using the ph perfect and bug ignitor combined will cut down a good amount of stretch. worst case scenario im gonna try out the hortilux super blue hps bulb. i wish i could get more info on this damn bulb it seems like no ones using it
mr. green thumb 01
New Member
Thats why I have a section in the flower room just for that..and i run perpetual so theres always a noob under the mh. But I do understand the simplicity a smoker enjoys. But imo I feel if you tried it and saw how big of a difference it made you wouldnt complain about the hassle of changing a few light bulbs out.. I have also seen m/h & hps bulb in one. They only sell them in a 1000 watt and 400 is mh and 600 is hps. These lights do tend to give less lumens but they mimic the suns spectrum better. Those blue spectrum bulbs are good for flowering but honestly you cant really even see the difference w/ the naked eye only your plants will. I would be surprised if it had enough spectrum change to cut down on stretch. Why chemically shorten the stretch when you can do it naturally and basically for free? but to each his own. Have you seen those lights on a fan where its like 3 hps and 2 mh and they spin to cool and to mix up the spectrum? I have heard good things about those saw some in action at a colorado medical grow and they looked to be effective. but they must cost a arm and a leg and then you got a spinning light hazard in your room...heads up lol
*BUDS
Well-Known Member
No but a cool ,ventillated grow room does.
greenfields
Member
I recently bought one of those small trial sizes of bud ignitor. I used it at about half strength and noticed an amazing difference. I have never used a preflower nute like this before and would have to say that it kicked my grow off faster than ever. I have never seen such a quick flowering before using this product. It probably cut the stretch in half and seems to have speeded up the flowers by a week. I highly reccomend this product even with how pricey it is. I have been using cutting edge with big bud and moab. This will now be a staple to my nutes.
im definitely gonna keep that open as an option in the future thanks. to be honest im probably blowing this whole thing outta proportion cause with the pvc trellis i built i shouldnt have a problem anyway with no veg time. its good to be prepared though
I have used it for years, it is bloody awesome. It really make the plant pack on the nodes and tightens them as well. I feed ignitor a week before I flip to flower. I use this and keep my night time and daytime temps even, then I have very good control of my stretch. By the end of week three the first 8 inches of my colas are joined up. And my cycle is usually shortened by a week and my buds are massive!!!!! Ignitor has a PGR in it which is completely natural and safe. Its worth the insane price.