Time To Get Rid of Concealed Carry Bans?

[InCognition]

why do you have to be a non felon
Is that in the constitution?

It's not, that's why it's an infringement.

Denying a criminal their right to self preservation of life, via the use of a firearm is unethical. It just so happens it's unconstitutional as well.

This is an old story though, this is what the government does every day.

 

[UncleBuck]

Who's saying people should get free service, or highly-discounted service? That's the whole reason why the mandate is bat-shit crazy, and unethical at best.

Again, yes, doctors are not natural resources, nor are teachers/professors. I am awesome, and yes, I'm enlightened. Thank you.

in case you didn't notice, people already do get free service, some who can even afford to insure themselves get free service. those costs are already in the system. the mandate just accounts for them.

and LOL a doctors and teachers being unnatural. so enlightened.

 

[UncleBuck]

It's not, that's why it's an infringement.

Denying a criminal their right to self preservation of life, via the use of a firearm is unethical. It just so happens it's unconstitutional as well.

This is an old story though, this is what the government does every day.

lol, let's give violent felons guns, what could go wrong with that?

but let's make damn sure that if you can't afford health care, you die. it's the righteous thing to do.

so much fail.

 

[UncleBuck]

An armed society is a polite society.

a polite society is a polite society.

an armed society is polite via coercion, fear, distrust, and threat of violence.

isn't that what you libertarians always bitch about the government doing?

i guess what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.

hypocrisy FTW!

 

[InCognition]

maybe if they looked into people who bought $20k worth of guns over a couple months, including 6k rounds of ammo, this could have been averted.

no one needs an AR15 and 6,000 rounds of ammo for "self defense".

the logic of the gun nuts is simply backwards. let's talk about all the gun violence that happens in england.

No it could not have been averted. Do you know how much ammo and guns are purchased in the USA? Many people buy large lots of guns and ammo within a short time frame. It's very likely too much to track, unless of course the government irresponsibly sets up a multi-billion dollar facility to do such.

I purchased a single lot of 14,000 rounds, as an investment. Is there anything wrong with that? No.

Does the ATF have the right to check in on me, or to make a discretionary call on whether or not I can keep my asset? No.

Sadly it takes "gun nuts" to preserve the gun rights in the country. This is because there are just as many anti-gun nuts, who wish to deprive other human-beings, of their god-given-rights. Therefore the logic of anti-gun nuts is simply backwards.

 

[desert dude]

a polite society is a polite society.

an armed society is polite via coercion, fear, distrust, and threat of violence.

isn't that what you libertarians always bitch about the government doing?

i guess what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.

hypocrisy FTW!

I was simply comparing the US, an armed society, to Europe, a very disarmed society. The UK is the poster child for state nannyism that you seem to so admire and their violent crime rate is 4 to 5 times higher than the US.

The simple facts are painful to anti self defense types, but they do lend credence to the statement that, "an armed society is a polite society". In the US, a violent criminal is always operating under the fear that he might encounter a guy who is "skilled at arms". In the UK, not so much.

 

[InCognition]

in case you didn't notice, people already do get free service, some who can even afford to insure themselves get free service. those costs are already in the system. the mandate just accounts for them.

and LOL a doctors and teachers being unnatural. so enlightened.

Yes, they do get free health service, the mandate just broadens the scope of the unethical conduct that it perpetuates.

I'm enlightened, yes. You should try it. Your ignorance would miraculously vanish. POOF!

 

[desert dude]

lol, let's give violent felons guns, what could go wrong with that?

but let's make damn sure that if you can't afford health care, you die. it's the righteous thing to do.

so much fail.

UB, I know that such absurdities simply roll off your tongue without the slightest thought but play along for just a moment and actually think. Do you think violent felons are not armed, even without our consent? Do you really think gun-control laws will have any effect whatever on violent felons? Look to the UK for a real world example.

 

[InCognition]

lol, let's give violent felons guns, what could go wrong with that?

but let's make damn sure that if you can't afford health care, you die. it's the righteous thing to do.

so much fail.

Let's deny human beings their god-given-right to defending themselves. What could be wrong with that? It goes both ways my friend, just one way is fundamentally flawed, and that's denying a human being their right to self-defense.

Getting shot is just a dice-roll circumstance. If it happens, it's surely no one else's obligation to fund that unlucky circumstance.

So much win. You... not so much. Only sometimes do you not fail.

 

[budlover13]

but seriously, who is going to go ahead and justify an AR15 and 6k rounds of ammo as being for "self defense". still waiting.

did this guy have 5k ninjas coming after him or something?

Well, in the spirit of the 2nd amendment and given the fact that someone facing the government would be severely out-gunned in the first place, an AR-15 and 6k rounds rounds sounds kinda inadequate if you ask me.

 

[budlover13]

a polite society is a polite society.

an armed society is polite via coercion, fear, distrust, and threat of violence.

isn't that what you libertarians always bitch about the government doing?

i guess what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.

hypocrisy FTW!

Once again UB, NOBODY has anything to fear from me carrying a firearm UNLESS they plan to rob, beat, shoot, stab, rape, or otherwise assault me physically. There IS no "fear. coercsion, distrust or threat of violence involved. i don't carry to prevent crime by simply possessing a firearm. i carry so that IF i need to defend myself or someone else from a physical assault that warrants it, i have the means to safely and efficiently do so. The ONLY reason someone should feel threatened by a gun is if they are up to no good.

 

[Mr Neutron]

Once again UB, NOBODY has anything to fear from me carrying a firearm UNLESS they plan to rob, beat, shoot, stab, rape, or otherwise assault me physically. There IS no "fear. coercsion, distrust or threat of violence involved. i don't carry to prevent crime by simply possessing a firearm. i carry so that IF i need to defend myself or someone else from a physical assault that warrants it, i have the means to safely and efficiently do so. The ONLY reason someone should feel threatened by a gun is if they are up to no good.

Seriously, I don't know why anybody tries to match wits with the unarmed.

 

[UncleBuck]

Well, in the spirit of the 2nd amendment and given the fact that someone facing the government would be severely out-gunned in the first place, an AR-15 and 6k rounds rounds sounds kinda inadequate if you ask me.

lol.

yep, we need AR15s and 6k rounds for "self defense" in the same way that people grow 500 plants for "personal use".

let's make sure the violent felons all have AR15s as well, so we can all sleep soundly at night.

while we're at it, let's give them tanks with bunker buster missiles.

ya know, for "self defense".

 

[UncleBuck]

Once again UB, NOBODY has anything to fear from me carrying a firearm

accidental discharges never happen. got it.

 

[ChesusRice]

UB if someone comes to steal your treadmills
and dont find any
they may decide to come into your house hold your family hostage or kill them if you dont tell them where the treadmills are
Firearms dont kill anyone without a human finger pulling the trigger
I agree with you if there was a whole bunch of armed people in the theater
The death toll would of been higher
But calling for the banning of firearms
Just leaves the people following the law
unarmed

 

[UncleBuck]

UB if someone comes to steal your treadmills
and dont find any
they may decide to come into your house hold your family hostage or kill them if you dont tell them where the treadmills are
Firearms dont kill anyone without a human finger pulling the trigger
I agree with you if there was a whole bunch of armed people in the theater
The death toll would of been higher
But calling for the banning of firearms
Just leaves the people following the law
unarmed

where did i call for the banning of firearms?

 

[ChesusRice]

where did i call for the banning of firearms?

My apologies
AR's are good defense systems
Not as good as a shotgun at home
But if you want to hit them before they get to the house
They cannot be beat

 

[beardo]

lol, let's give violent felons guns, what could go wrong with that?

but let's make damn sure that if you can't afford health care, you die. it's the righteous thing to do.

so much fail.

Lets not deny them the right to own guns, a right promised to all in the constitution.

 

[beardo]

lol.

yep, we need AR15s and 6k rounds for "self defense" in the same way that people grow 500 plants for "personal use".

let's make sure the violent felons all have AR15s as well, so we can all sleep soundly at night.

while we're at it, let's give them tanks with bunker buster missiles.

ya know, for "self defense".

If someone wants a tank or missile they have that right, why shouldn't they, they might need it to defend their rights from others who are armed with such

 

[UncleBuck]

Lets not deny them the right to own guns, a right promised to all in the constitution.

didn't it call for a "well regulated militia"?