Oregon man jailed for collecting rainwater

[beenthere]

summary for those of us that are not c/p tards:

oregon law says all water is publicly owned. that may not be the case in other states, move there if you have a problem with this commonsense law.

Isn't that like telling people who live in states with strict marijuana laws, don't bother trying to change the law, if you don't like it, move to another state?

if you want to divert or store the water, you need a permit. this man had one, but it was withdrawn. why?

the guy builds dams on his property to collect runoff that comes down from other places, and claims that it is all his water, even though it came from elsewhere. the water runoff that he collects with dams on his property is runoff from other places, and he is blocking it from where it would normally go, which is to the larger water source that supplies larger populations downstream who rely on it.

water is publicly owned here. if anyone was allowed to build dams and divert/store unlimited water on their property without a permit, then corporations could easily come in and monopolize the water supply by buying up property like this guy's property en masse.

as i confirmed earlier, this just proves that all you have is strawmen. he was building a dam without a permit. i can't even put on addition without a pwermit, much less take everyone else's water without one.

so much fail.

You didn't confirm jack shit, other than you're a government conformist. It's asswipes like you that only care about laws and regulations that effect you personally, people like yourself only give government the strength to grow and control more of our lives.

You using corporations as the boogie strawman is typical of your nanny state enabling hypocrisy.
When it comes to obtaining permits, corporations like all businesses fall into the category of commercial, they are bound by complete different rules, regulations and permits, therefore your monopolization theory is blown out of the water. (pun intended) When government owns all of our natural resources, government owns all the people, sad thing is, the dumb ass sheeple haven't figured this out!

Enjoy the little MMJ law carrot they dangle in front of you, cause you're not seeing the big cage they're surrounding you in.

 

[desert dude]

there have been a few times i've made that mistake.

coming back from road trips, i often start pumping. if the guy is taking too long with other cars, i've finished the job.

frankly, i prefer having someone to pump the gas most of the time. i get pissed off if i have to go inside to hand them my cash and i avoid those places.

now i'm going to read this nonsense article. smart money is that it is akin to the lady who got fined (not jailed) for having an ugly garden on her front lawn against the simple code rules of the city she chose to move to.

i mean, i'd love to just spray paint my front lawn neon red, and maybe i could. but many neighborhoods frown upon that kind of thing due to property values and it is not allowed.

Ooh, there is a crime if I ever saw one. What makes a person think they have the right to grow a garden in their front yard without permission?

 

[UncleBuck]

Ooh, there is a crime if I ever saw one. What makes a person think they have the right to grow a garden in their front yard without permission?

you righties are such hypocritical crybabies.

you whine and moan that laws should be at the most local level possible, then you bitch and throw a fit about a neighborhood making rules to keep property value up.

if you want a front yard garden, move out to the sticks. they're all over the place out there. fucking crybabies.

 

[UncleBuck]

When government owns all of our natural resources, government owns all the people, sad thing is, the dumb ass sheeple haven't figured this out!

lol, sheeple.

too bad for you, mr. no-nitrogen-no-problem, water in oregon is not owned by the government, it is publicly owned. meaning it belongs to we the people.

Enjoy the little MMJ law carrot they dangle in front of you, cause you're not seeing the big cage they're surrounding you in.

oh, you mean the law that affords me numerous and substantial legal protections for growing cannabis?

i think i will enjoy that law.

 

[UncleBuck]

Tipping someone for pumping your gas when you weren't given an option of pumping it yourself? LMAO he can get fucked if he thinks he's getting a tip haha

i've never tipped the people and they do not expect it.

some stations are better than others, but no one is full service like back in the day. at most they might wipe off your windshield for you.

 

[desert dude]

you righties are such hypocritical crybabies.

you whine and moan that laws should be at the most local level possible, then you bitch and throw a fit about a neighborhood making rules to keep property value up.

if you want a front yard garden, move out to the sticks. they're all over the place out there. fucking crybabies.

You lefties are so predictable. You abhor the notion of private property, so you set up committees to determine if the color of paint on a house not owned by you is acceptable, whether the genus and species of plants in other people's yards are acceptable to you.

This is why Obama's "you didn't build that" gaffe is haunting our lefty president. It wasn't a gaffe at all, it is the way of the lefty. In the leftie's mind everything belongs to the hive.

 

[UncleBuck]

You lefties are so predictable. You abhor the notion of private property, so you set up committees to determine if the color of paint on a house not owned by you is acceptable, whether the genus and species of plants in other people's yards are acceptable to you.

it's called maintaining property values. no one is forcing her to live in that neighborhood.

do you support my "right" to spray paint my lawn neon pink and display life sized pictures of dead polar bears for everyone to see?

This is why Obama's "you didn't build that" gaffe is haunting our lefty president. It wasn't a gaffe at all, it is the way of the lefty. In the leftie's mind everything belongs to the hive.

so tell me, did the president say anything that wasn't true? did you build the road that's in front of your house?

dumbass.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

it's called maintaining property values. no one is forcing her to live in that neighborhood.

do you support my "right" to spray paint my lawn neon pink and display life sized pictures of dead polar bears for everyone to see?



so tell me, did the president say anything that wasn't true? did you build the road that's in front of your house?

dumbass.

The company that built my neighborhood built the road in front of my house.

 

[tip top toker]

i've never tipped the people and they do not expect it.

some stations are better than others, but no one is full service like back in the day. at most they might wipe off your windshield for you.

Good to hear It maddens me how so many Americans don't understand what tips are for, they seem to consider it a mandatory thing. A tip is for someone who goes the extra mile to serve or help you not for someone who has simply done exactly as they have been employed to do, it should not just be expected.

I'm from the UK and while you have some small country petrol stations that will fill your car up, which is partly because the further into the fields you head the nicer and friendlier and more helpful people become, and partly because the pumps are from the 1920's and we wouldn't know what to do with them, but other than that, the notion of having someone fill your car for you is utterly and completely unheard of, i think most UK folk who visited the US would be shocked by the idea and probably get in trouble in states where you can't fill your own as it's just what we do. How hard is it to hold a petrol pump and pull a lever

 

[OLD DUDE]

Is there a shortage of water out there, I thought it rained every other day in the north west

 

[cannabineer]

lol, sheeple.

too bad for you, mr. no-nitrogen-no-problem, water in oregon is not owned by the government, it is publicly owned. meaning it belongs to we the people.



oh, you mean the law that affords me numerous and substantial legal protections for growing cannabis?

i think i will enjoy that law.

But is "we the people" individuals, or is it the illusory composite beloved of collective thinkers? How much public water is we-the-personally m'ours for m'us to use? cn

 

[cannabineer]

Is there a shortage of water out there, I thought it rained every other day in the north west

Only the coastal margin is walking fish country. Most of the state is tumbleweeds. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

Is there a shortage of water out there, I thought it rained every other day in the north west

what the bear said.

it only rains non stop here for 6-8 months of the year. during the summer we get drought, and the eastern part of the state is high desert.

 

[WyoGrow]

so collecting rainwater that say runs off your roof is illegal...i get the building dams w/o a permit is illegal...but that is a fucked up law if so...

It IS legal to collect rainwater runoff from the roofs of buildings on your property.

I'm all into being self reliant.... grow a huge ass garden that wipes out 90% of our produce bill. Have a wood burning stove fired with deadfall from my property. Have a solar water heater and 4 solar air furnaces. A wind generator with a diesel backup to run our electric water well. Even have a windmill rigged to fill water storage tanks and stock tanks in our old water well. I raise or hunt for 100% of my families meat. Have the obligatory 2 year dry food storage. But I hate being called a "prepper" because ordinary folk always associate us with fuckholes like this guy who was rightly jailed for breaking laws that have been in place for years.

Just because water flows through your place doesn't mean you own it. A lot of this particular laws fall under the Navigable Waters Act. This man was stealing water we all use. He was impounding water that "originated" from a source not on his property and preventing it's downstream travel off of his property. By "originated" I mean that the rain or snow causing the runoff traveling across his property did not fall on his property.

 

[cannabineer]

Ok thanks ... that helps to clarify. I would look askance at anyone telling me rain that fell on my land must be allowed to run off unimpeded. However, streams originating elsewhere can't be entirely mine. cn

 

[ChesusRice]

It IS legal to collect rainwater runoff from the roofs of buildings on your property.

I'm all into being self reliant.... grow a huge ass garden that wipes out 90% of our produce bill. Have a wood burning stove fired with deadfall from my property. Have a solar water heater and 4 solar air furnaces. A wind generator with a diesel backup to run our electric water well. Even have a windmill rigged to fill water storage tanks and stock tanks in our old water well. I raise or hunt for 100% of my families meat. Have the obligatory 2 year dry food storage. But I hate being called a "prepper" because ordinary folk always associate us with fuckholes like this guy who was rightly jailed for breaking laws that have been in place for years.

Just because water flows through your place doesn't mean you own it. A lot of this particular laws fall under the Navigable Waters Act. This man was stealing water we all use. He was impounding water that "originated" from a source not on his property and preventing it's downstream travel off of his property. By "originated" I mean that the rain or snow causing the runoff traveling across his property did not fall on his property.

SHut up !!!!
Shut Up you authoritarian libtard
How dare you even think of bringing in that collectivist socialist neo con dribble

 

[beenthere]

It IS legal to collect rainwater runoff from the roofs of buildings on your property.

I'm all into being self reliant.... grow a huge ass garden that wipes out 90% of our produce bill. Have a wood burning stove fired with deadfall from my property. Have a solar water heater and 4 solar air furnaces. A wind generator with a diesel backup to run our electric water well. Even have a windmill rigged to fill water storage tanks and stock tanks in our old water well. I raise or hunt for 100% of my families meat. Have the obligatory 2 year dry food storage. But I hate being called a "prepper" because ordinary folk always associate us with fuckholes like this guy who was rightly jailed for breaking laws that have been in place for years.

Just because water flows through your place doesn't mean you own it. A lot of this particular laws fall under the Navigable Waters Act. This man was stealing water we all use. He was impounding water that "originated" from a source not on his property and preventing it's downstream travel off of his property. By "originated" I mean that the rain or snow causing the runoff traveling across his property did not fall on his property.

This situation has absolutely nothing to do with the Navigable Waters Act, he's not damming, diverting or restricting the flows of navigable waters or their tributaries.

In fact, I believe the property owner might have a good case for his right to collect rain water and snow melt on his own property. The 1925 law clearly states in the bill that only water from Big Butte Creek and of the springs at the head which form the creek. So if the home owner is not damming water from Big Butte Creek or any of the tributaries from springs formed at the head of the creek, the state of Oregon has no jurisdiction over the water being stockpiled. He still could have problems with building permits for the dam structures themselves though.

 

[UncleBuck]

...he's not damming, diverting or restricting the flows of navigable waters or their tributaries...

your reading skills are about on par with your nitrogen using skills.

“There are dams across channels, water channels where the water would normally flow if it were not for the dam and so those dams are stopping the water from flowing in the channel and storing it- holding it so it cannot flow downstream,”

 

[beenthere]

your reading skills are about on par with your nitrogen using skills.

“There are dams across channels, water channels where the water would normally flow if it were not for the dam and so those dams are stopping the water from flowing in the channel and storing it- holding it so it cannot flow downstream,”

But it's not "navigable water" is it, shit for brains!
Do you ever think before you open that big mouth of yours?
Quit adding that nitrogen to mature flowering plants and you just might end up with top shelf taste, NEWB!

 

[BA142]

I love how an article about collecting rainwater can turn into a full on political debate....